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Health and Social Care Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Wednesday, 2 November 2011, in the House of Lords.
Health and Social Care Bill. Lords committee stage second day. Clause 1 agreed to. Clause 2 under consideration.

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Reference

731 c1237-97, 1313-38 

Session

2010-12

Department

Department of Health

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

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Proceeding contributions

Earl Howe | 731 c1252-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 7, tabled by the noble Lords, Lord Beecham and Lord Hunt, and the noble Baroness...
Earl of Listowel | 731 c1251-2 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, for moving this amendment and for giving us an opportunity to ...

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Lord Beecham | 731 c1250-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am saying that the Bill should lay down at this stage a range of services that will be p...
Lord Beecham | 731 c1249 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to move this amendment in my name and those of my noble friends Lady Thornton and L...
Earl Howe | 731 c1248-9 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, there are no closed views. That is the reason why I suggested earlier that it was time...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 731 c1247-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would not have intervened otherwise, but I respectfully disagree with what the noble and...
Earl Howe | 731 c1240-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before we move further forward with our debate, I hope that noble Lords will find it helpf...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 731 c1239-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in response to the obvious concern over the Secretary of State’s responsibilities, as narr...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 731 c1237-9 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for the slight delay in rising to my feet—my understanding was that the Minister was pro...
Baroness Jay of Paddington | 731 c1244 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must intervene on that point. That is only the secondary point of the report.
Lord Mawhinney | 731 c1242-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would not presume to speak for my noble colleagues on these Benches, but it seems to me ...
Baroness Andrews | 731 c1242 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think I can add the support of these Benches to the extraordinary way in which this matt...
Baroness Jolly | 731 c1242 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am hugely grateful for the position where we now find ourselves. I am in total agreement...
Lord Laming | 731 c1241 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is clear that around the whole House it is felt that the constitutional position of the...
Baroness Thornton | 731 c1257 (Link to this contribution) I think that the noble Lord misheard me. I said that it was the first time that we had discussed thi...
Lord Beecham | 731 c1254-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, for once again bringing his expertise on t...
Lord Greaves | 731 c1245 (Link to this contribution) If the noble Baroness wishes, I shall put lots of information about the word ““ultimate”” on the Lab...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 731 c1272 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister most sincerely. Apart from anything else, he has explained the BMA ag...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 731 c1243-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I say gently to the noble Baroness that I had understood that the whole purpose of the pro...
Earl of Listowel | 731 c1254 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for providing me with the strong assurance that to him and his colleagues the s...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 731 c1250 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord explain what he actually wants, because I am now thoroughly confused? First, he ...
Lord Beecham | 731 c1249-50 (Link to this contribution) But I did subscribe to it. There is a sort of collective responsibility on these Benches, too. This...
Lord Beecham | 731 c1249 (Link to this contribution) 7: Clause 1, page 2, line 7, at end insert— ““( ) For the purposes of this Act ““the health service ...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 731 c1249 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to withdraw my amendment given the statement made by the Minister. I also join the many p...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 731 c1248 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that the noble Earl is moving to a position of not addressing those questions, but it i...
Earl Howe | 731 c1248 (Link to this contribution) I shall, of course, be guided by the Committee. If it is the wish of the Committee that I do not exp...
Earl Howe | 731 c1248 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend. I apologise to the Committee. I had thought that it would be helpf...
Baroness Thornton | 731 c1248 (Link to this contribution) The reason I did not make my 12-minute speech was that we are now going to go into a period of consi...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 731 c1245-6 (Link to this contribution) These amendments have presented your Lordships’ House with a very difficult task. I join others in p...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 731 c1247 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hesitate to intervene on the noble Earl, who knows I hold him in the highest possible es...
Earl Howe | 731 c1246-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been an excellent debate. It has proved one thing in my mind: an issue of this im...
Lord Greaves | 731 c1244 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I discovered at the end of last week that it is possible to table an amendment as part of ...
Baroness Thornton | 731 c1244 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may say to the noble Lord that I very happily follow him.
Lord Greaves | 731 c1244 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not going to reveal all my researches and enlighten the Committee on the meaning of “...
Lord Warner | 731 c1244 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may be allowed to deal with it, whether it is the first or secondary point—I do not have t...
Baroness D'Souza | 731 c1237 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to remind the Committee that if either Amendment 3 or Amendment 4 is agreed t...
Lord Warner | 731 c1244 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may intervene briefly not in any way to damage this positive outbreak of peace b...
Baroness Tonge | 731 c1243 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to create just a small ripple in the sea of calm and tranquillity that represen...
Baroness Jay of Paddington | 731 c1243 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as one who has been involved peripherally in the discussions over the past few days with t...
Baroness Thornton | 731 c1241 (Link to this contribution) In the spirit of co-operation across the House it might be useful if I outline the position of these...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 731 c1257-60 (Link to this contribution) I would be grateful if the noble Lord would bear with me for a couple of minutes while I go through ...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 731 c1260 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend has, as always, been extraordinarily persuasive in her detailed argument i...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 731 c1257 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak especially to Amendments 10A, 10B and 11A, and address my remarks principall...
Lord Mawhinney | 731 c1257 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, I may be the only person in the Committee who is thick enough not to understand what is ...
Lord Warner | 731 c1260-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not altogether sure whether I rise to support these amendments or not. I promise the ...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 731 c1261 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may ask a couple of questions in this short debate and thank the noble Baroness,...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 731 c1257 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness said that this was the first time that we had had area-based planning, but a prim...
Baroness Thornton | 731 c1257 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is about the people in the area—but of course primary care trusts are going to be aboli...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 731 c1256 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to interrupt, and this may be another question for the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, but w...
Baroness Thornton | 731 c1255 (Link to this contribution) 9: Clause 2, page 2, line 12, after ““service”” insert ““by providing services or making arrangement...
Baroness Thornton | 731 c1255-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will also speak to Amendments 10 and 14. The purpose of these amendments is to strengthe...
Lord Mawhinney | 731 c1256 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the noble Baroness, but she skated over what an area-based population is....
Baroness Thornton | 731 c1256 (Link to this contribution) The amendments that open the debate are in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, so I suspect...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 731 c1271 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to press the Minister further. I want to ask one further question and then I will shut up...
Earl Howe | 731 c1271 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there are perhaps several issues bound up in my noble friend’s question. It is entirely po...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 731 c1270 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I take it that the answer to my question is that CCGs do have a duty to plan for everyone ...
Earl Howe | 731 c1270-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend. The point I was seeking to make was that health and well-being boa...
Earl Howe | 731 c1268-70 (Link to this contribution) I will cover that point in a second. I should perhaps clarify that the area covered by an individual...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 731 c1268 (Link to this contribution) The noble Earl has been extraordinarily helpful in his comments. However, in new Section 1A, entitle...
Earl Howe | 731 c1268 (Link to this contribution) Let me be clear: each clinical commissioning group will have a specific geographic area and will hav...
Lord Warner | 731 c1267-8 (Link to this contribution) Can I just be absolutely clear that I have understood the noble Earl? Is he saying that a clinical c...
Earl Howe | 731 c1267 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will address that question in a moment, if I may. The noble Lord, Lord Warner, asked how...
Baroness Tonge | 731 c1267 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister clarify the phrase ““clinical commissioning group area””? I thought that it was no...
Earl Howe | 731 c1265-7 (Link to this contribution) Yes, my Lords. I hope that I can reassure noble Lords on their very valid concerns on this topic. Pe...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 731 c1263-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it may help the Committee if I explain how the GP contract is being renegotiated; I hope t...
Baroness Hussein-Ece | 731 c1264 (Link to this contribution) I should like to ask a couple of questions to clarify where the debate is going. As my noble friend ...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 731 c1264-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, your Lordships will have realised by now that I am basically a simple-minded soul. I am st...
Baroness Cumberlege | 731 c1262 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I should like to ask a few questions about Amendment 10A. I thank the noble Baroness, Lady...
Bishop of Chester | 731 c1262 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I completely support the amendment in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, but won...
Baroness Tonge | 731 c1263 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, most of the points I wanted to raise have already been raised so I will not repeat them. I...
Lord Rea | 731 c1262-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Finlay, has somewhat stolen my thunder because I had meant to say...
Baroness Murphy | 731 c1261-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am particularly concerned about the area-based issue because, like many people, I have b...
Earl Howe | 731 c1272 (Link to this contribution) It would depend how far the family had moved away from the GP practice. What I was trying to say was...
Earl Howe | 731 c1272 (Link to this contribution) There is a hypothesis in my noble friend’s question that I do not necessarily accept but I would be ...
Baroness Hussein-Ece | 731 c1272 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to press the Minister on the point I made about homeless families who are placed in diffe...
Earl Howe | 731 c1271 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree with the noble Lord. It is all very well me trying to describe in words what the ...
Baroness Tonge | 731 c1271 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to torture the Minister further. He seems to be saying that clinical commissioning groups...
Lord Warner | 731 c1271 (Link to this contribution) I will not torture or tweak the Minister any further but I will ask him to make a sensible response ...
Baroness Hollins | 731 c1273-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving this amendment I shall speak also to Amendments 105 and 180. I am pleased that t...
Baroness Hollins | 731 c1273 (Link to this contribution) 11: Clause 2, page 2, line 15, after ““of”” insert ““physical and mental””
Baroness Thornton | 731 c1273 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a very worthwhile discussion. As I said at the outset, there are two issues ...
Lord Ribeiro | 731 c1283 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very pleased to—I am sorry; I know how difficult it is for my noble friend. Would he ...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 731 c1283-4 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry but I am really quite slow in standing up, as noble Lords will observe. I do not want to...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 731 c1284 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, briefly but warmly, I support Amendment 11, which seems to me to be desirably explicit and...
Lord Ribeiro | 731 c1284-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be brief on this. I strongly support the amendment because it is important to recog...
Lord Patel | 731 c1276-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is on the amendment and I am pleased to support it. Before I say what I wish to sa...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 731 c1277-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in speaking in support of these amendments I declare that I was formerly the chair of the ...
Lord Alderdice | 731 c1279-81 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Hollins, and the noble Lord, Lord Patel of Bradf...
Baroness Whitaker | 731 c1281-3 (Link to this contribution) We have heard very powerful arguments from all sides of the House in support of these amendments, fr...
Baroness Murphy | 731 c1286-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise briefly to support the eloquent speech by my noble friend Lady Hollins and other no...
Lord Layard | 731 c1285-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, some years ago I had a meeting with a newly appointed Secretary of State for Health, altho...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 731 c1292 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I first want to ask a quick question to my noble friend Lady Hollins or the Minister. Woul...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 731 c1292 (Link to this contribution) I just wanted to say a word or two about the drafting involved in this. The noble Lord, Lord William...
Lord Rooker | 731 c1288-90 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on balance I agree with the most reverend Primate. I speak purely as a lay person but I am...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 731 c1290-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is particularly apt that I follow the speech of my noble friend because, in supporting ...
Baroness Hollins | 731 c1296-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Earl for his answer and indeed for the sustained interest and commitment...
Lord Warner | 731 c1313 (Link to this contribution) 12: Clause 2, page 2, line 16, at end insert— ““(c) the clinical integration of the delivery of heal...
Baroness Thornton | 731 c1292-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Hollins, on bringing forward the amendments and al...
Earl Howe | 731 c1293-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, that this has been a debate of very high q...
Lord Sentamu | 731 c1287-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I speak as somebody who supports Mind and as somebody with a brother I followed who had ac...
Lord Warner | 731 c1313-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as they say in commercial television, welcome back after the break. In moving Amendment 12...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 731 c1318-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is added to some of these amendments and I will add little to the eloquent speeche...
Baroness Cumberlege | 731 c1319-21 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to make a contribution. I was very interested that the noble Lord, Lord Warne...
Lord Turnberg | 731 c1321-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise to support these amendments. I agree with virtually everything that my noble friend...
Lord Sentamu | 731 c1322 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also support the amendment. Like the previous noble Lords who have spoken, I think that ...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 731 c1322-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is clear from all the contributions this evening what an important element in all medic...
Baroness Jolly | 731 c1325 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think it is entirely appropriate that integration is included in the Secretary of State’...
Lord Kakkar | 731 c1326 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Earl, in his thoughtful introduction of the Bill on Second Reading, identified t...
Baroness Barker | 731 c1326-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Pitkeathley, mentioned that she wrote a book 40 years ago. I wish...
Lord Patel | 731 c1315-7 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments to which my name is attached. This is an important issue. As the noble Lord...
Baroness Murphy | 731 c1317-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a topic very close to my heart. The delivery of social care is almost wholly towar...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 731 c1327-9 (Link to this contribution) I want to intervene briefly. I support much of what my noble friend Lord Warner said in his opening ...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 731 c1327 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, integration has been said to be important and I agree. I agree also how important speciali...
Baroness Wheeler | 731 c1330-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the hour is indeed late and I have done my best to cut back on bits of my speech. On behal...
Lord Beecham | 731 c1329-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the hour is late and I will not speak for long, but I want to address one issue in this ve...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 731 c1333 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Earl for giving way. Of course we all agree about the impo...
Earl Howe | 731 c1332-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, all the amendments in this group have the entirely laudable aim of improving the integrati...
Lord Warner | 731 c1337-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a good debate. The hour is late but I want to make a couple of points in res...
Earl Howe | 731 c1333-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the noble Lord will be patient, I will proceed and answer his questions at the end, as ...

Subjects

Children
Diabetes
Housing
Health
Finance
General practitioners
Mental illness
NHS
Patients
Northern Ireland
Parents
Primary care trusts
Mental health services
Mental health
Standards
Social services
Wheelchairs
NHS Commissioning Board

Legislation

Health and Social Care Bill 2010-12

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