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Health and Social Care (Re-committed) Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 7 September 2011, in the House of Commons.
Health and Social Care Bill. Report stage second day. Amendment to ensure provision of independent information, advice and counselling services for women requesting a termination of pregnancy debated and negatived on division (118 votes to 368). New clause 1, discussed with new clauses 10 to 14, 16 to 18, 20 and 23, debated and added to the Bill. New clauses 7 to 9 added to the Bill. Third reading debate. Agreed to on division (316 votes to 251). Bill read the third time and passed.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

532 c362-501 

Session

2010-12

Department

Department of Health

Legislative stage

Third reading and Report stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Related items

Health and Social Care Bill. As amended on re-committal, in Public Bill Committee. In two volumes.
Monday, 18 July 2011
Bills
House of Commons
Abortion
Wednesday, 14 September 2011
Written questions
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Stephen Dorrell | 532 c496-7 (Link to this contribution) Like my hon. Friend the Member for Totnes (Dr Wollaston), I would vote against the Bill if I thought...
Michael Meacher | 532 c497 (Link to this contribution) Extremely briefly, I want to put on record my view that the Government's handling of this Bill has b...

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Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 532 c495-6 (Link to this contribution) In yesterday's debate the right hon. Member for Holborn and St Pancras (Frank Dobson) said of the NH...
Speaker | 532 c496 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that short speech. I ask for another short speech from Kevin Barron.
Kevin Barron | 532 c496 (Link to this contribution) I have been a Member of this House for 28 years and I have been active in different parts of health ...
Owen Smith | 532 c418 (Link to this contribution) Yes. The current situation is clear: the Secretary of State has a legal duty placed upon him in the ...
Lord Lansley | 532 c418 (Link to this contribution) If the shadow Minister is so concerned about the Secretary of State's legal ability directly to prov...
Owen Smith | 532 c416-8 (Link to this contribution) I shall not give way any more on that issue. [Interruption.] I was enjoying it too, although I would...
Owen Smith | 532 c415 (Link to this contribution) I will not dispute that there may be occasions when it will be appropriate for the CCG to meet in pr...
Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 532 c415 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. I remember discussing with him whether he was a lawyer, and he ...
Owen Smith | 532 c415 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. The key difference is that it is for the clinical commissioning groups, in establishing thei...
Andrew Gwynne | 532 c415 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right to be concerned about the way this part of the Bill is drafted. It is incred...
Owen Smith | 532 c415 (Link to this contribution) No. I shall move on now. We have debated the topic long enough.
Paul Burstow | 532 c418 (Link to this contribution) Is it still the Opposition's policy to seek a division between the role of commissioning or purchasi...
Rosie Cooper | 532 c420 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has been talking about mandates. Will he explain under what mandate and how the Secre...
Owen Smith | 532 c419-20 (Link to this contribution) As the Minister has just confirmed by omission, there will be no power to direct and therefore no po...
Rosie Cooper | 532 c420 (Link to this contribution) Forgive me. I am for ever doing that, and I must stop. In essence, I am saying that the Secretary of...
Speaker | 532 c420 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sure that the hon. Lady will not be using ““you””.
Lord Lansley | 532 c419 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has admitted that for decades the Secretary of State has not directly provided se...
Owen Smith | 532 c419 (Link to this contribution) With the greatest respect to the Secretary of State, who I have to confess knows a lot about the NHS...
Paul Burstow | 532 c419 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is wrong again. Unlike the previous Government, who were happy to have directions...
Owen Smith | 532 c419 (Link to this contribution) With respect, there is not a legal duty on the Secretary of State to provide, as there has been in s...
Paul Burstow | 532 c410-1 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a fair point—one that, I think, we would agree with entirely. That is why the G...
Paul Burstow | 532 c410 (Link to this contribution) I am talking about my hon. Friend's amendment, so I will, of course, give way.
Andrew George | 532 c410 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for giving way to me, as he is referring to my amendment. I think that...
Paul Burstow | 532 c409 (Link to this contribution) That anxiety was expressed in Committee by some Opposition Members. As a result of the NHS Future Fo...
Helen Jones | 532 c409 (Link to this contribution) Many of us are concerned that we will not know properly what is going on in CCGs, because there is n...
Paul Burstow | 532 c410 (Link to this contribution) I am conscious of the time, and the fact that other hon. Members want to move and speak to other ame...
Owen Smith | 532 c415 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that further intervention, just as I assume that he is grateful fo...
Owen Smith | 532 c414 (Link to this contribution) No, I am trying to make a point about what the Minister said at the Dispatch Box not five minutes ag...
Paul Burstow | 532 c415 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for Bradford East (Mr Ward) is right. That is why the outrage was expresse...
Fiona O'Donnell | 532 c412 (Link to this contribution) The Minister and the Government are fond of pausing with this Bill. I want to offer him the opportun...
Paul Burstow | 532 c412 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that as people read the transcript of the debate they will wonder why that intervention ca...
Stephen Dorrell | 532 c412 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend repeat the statements that were made in a Select Committee hearing about the sta...
Paul Burstow | 532 c412-3 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is right to remind the House of the clarifying statement that was made before h...
Owen Smith | 532 c413-4 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for his contribution. Questions about the Bill just keep coming. That ...
Helen Jones | 532 c414 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that experience shows that when bodies are left to determine when it is in...
Owen Smith | 532 c414 (Link to this contribution) One needs to look at the top of institutions in this country—at the Government, and the extent to wh...
David Ward | 532 c414 (Link to this contribution) As a shadow Minister, is the hon. Gentleman aware that there is a standard clause in the standing or...
Rosie Cooper | 532 c403 (Link to this contribution) The Minister just said that the Secretary of State will have the power directly to remove the manage...
Paul Burstow | 532 c403-4 (Link to this contribution) We discussed yesterday at some length the role of Monitor and its powers through the licensing regim...
John Pugh | 532 c403 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister confirm that the Secretary of State will retain his powers to create new hospital ...
Paul Burstow | 532 c403 (Link to this contribution) The power to establish NHS trusts is contained in previous legislation. The Bill provides for, in du...
Simon Hughes | 532 c402 (Link to this contribution) I am listening very carefully and, as my hon. Friend knows, we have had conversations and a wider de...
Paul Burstow | 532 c402-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for having given me the opportunity to talk about this at some...
Owen Smith | 532 c402 (Link to this contribution) In the event where there is not an emergency, will the Minister confirm that under the new provision...
Paul Burstow | 532 c402 (Link to this contribution) No, he will not have powers of direction. Of course, powers of direction are not subject to any form...
Paul Burstow | 532 c401-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that intervention. If he listens carefully to what I am saying, ...
Speaker | 532 c405 (Link to this contribution) Order. We must have shorter interventions, as we have a lot to get through. Hon. Members should not ...
Paul Burstow | 532 c405-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for your protection, Mr Deputy Speaker. I will take that as advice in relation to furt...
Rosie Cooper | 532 c408 (Link to this contribution) Great play keeps being made about consultation. I do not hear any play being made about the right to...
Paul Burstow | 532 c408 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is completely wrong when she says that there is no obligation. There are clear duties ...
Simon Hughes | 532 c404 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful and I will not keep the Minister long. I have listened very carefully, as colleag...
Paul Burstow | 532 c404 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend. I can say no more than I have said and I think I have said wh...
Andrew George | 532 c405 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way and for his appreciation of the efforts I am making. ...
Paul Burstow | 532 c404 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to my right hon. Friend the Member for Bermondsey and Old Southwark and then I shall...
Anne Milton | 532 c384 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that time is against me. I hope that what I have said reassures my hon. Friend the Memb...
Anne Milton | 532 c384 (Link to this contribution) No, and I thank my hon. Friend for raising the point. The only reason why I took his intervention wa...
Andrew Selous | 532 c384 (Link to this contribution) We all greatly appreciate the calm and measured way in which the Minister is responding. Is she awar...
Anne Milton | 532 c384-5 (Link to this contribution) I will not, I am afraid. I must make progress. The amendment would not, incidentally, require local...
Anne Milton | 532 c385 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Rhondda (Chris Bryant) is clearly not reassured, but perhaps he will let me fini...
Julian Huppert | 532 c386 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to have a chance to speak in the debate. It is tempting to respond to all the comment...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 532 c385-6 (Link to this contribution) I will be brief, because I know that others wish to speak. I thought that I would be addressing the...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c386 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Nadine Dorries | 532 c387 (Link to this contribution) First, I should point out that the hon. Member for Cambridge (Dr Huppert) was referring to an older ...
Julian Huppert | 532 c386-7 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that there will not be time to go through all that. The hon. Lady challenged me to comme...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c386 (Link to this contribution) Would the hon. Gentleman care to be absolutely specific? Will he focus on what he thinks those facts...
Julian Huppert | 532 c386 (Link to this contribution) Unfortunately there is not much time, but I will give way once.
Helen Jones | 532 c400 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister explain to the House why, rather than providing a duty to act to reduce health ine...
Paul Burstow | 532 c400 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support the Government's amendments and to explain the Government's thinking on the amendm...
Speaker | 532 c392 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: New clause 10—Requirements as to transpar...
Paul Burstow | 532 c392 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Andrew George | 532 c401 (Link to this contribution) I merely wish to seek clarity from my hon. Friend on some of the briefings that his Department has b...
Paul Burstow | 532 c401 (Link to this contribution) There is a clear duty on the boards to act, too, and I ask the hon. Lady why the Labour Government, ...
Diane Abbott | 532 c380 (Link to this contribution) The decision to seek an abortion may be the most serious and difficult that many women face in their...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c379-80 (Link to this contribution) How many times do I have to say no to my hon. Friend? This is about being accountable for our views...
Kevin Barron | 532 c381 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend. Any evidence that we have heard has been anecdotal—we have heard of a 1...
Diane Abbott | 532 c380-1 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that we are an hour into an hour-and-a-half debate, and I am anxious to allow time for o...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c379 (Link to this contribution) It is time to make a decision not informed by the Liberal Democrats, and without being blackmailed b...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c379 (Link to this contribution) It does not happen very often in the House, but we have a conscience vote. It hardly ever happens, b...
Diane Abbott | 532 c381-2 (Link to this contribution) I would be more willing to give way were we not so far advanced in a debate that will last for only ...
Anne Milton | 532 c383-4 (Link to this contribution) I need to make a little progress. The Bill gives new public health functions to local government. I...
Anne Milton | 532 c382-3 (Link to this contribution) I feel that I need to start by saying that this debate is about women; it is not about hon. Members....
Diane Abbott | 532 c382 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, who is, of course, a practising doctor who knows a great deal m...
Dan Poulter | 532 c382 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is making an excellent speech and has outlined the fact that there is adequate provisi...
Nick de Bois | 532 c447 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend raises a key point. If we were to make prospective parents aware of the possibility o...
David Burrowes | 532 c447-8 (Link to this contribution) Is it not also important to ensure, through the Bill or other means, that commissioners are able to ...
Nick de Bois | 532 c446 (Link to this contribution) I refer Members to my entry in the Register of Members' Financial Interests. I wish to speak to amen...
David Burrowes | 532 c447 (Link to this contribution) It will not surprise the House to learn that I strongly support what my hon. Friend has said about t...
Fiona O'Donnell | 532 c443 (Link to this contribution) I am aware that the hon. Lady sits close to Scottish National party Members, who may not have given ...
Caroline Lucas | 532 c443-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady, but I do not agree that the two points that she makes are causally linked. Of...
Rushanara Ali | 532 c449 (Link to this contribution) As there is not much time left, I would like to proceed in order to allow other colleagues to speak....
Nick de Bois | 532 c448 (Link to this contribution) I understand that the UK Stem Cell Strategic Forum recommended to the Government that there should b...
Rushanara Ali | 532 c448-9 (Link to this contribution) I speak in support of amendment 1169, which seeks to strengthen the Secretary of State's duty to red...
Rushanara Ali | 532 c449-50 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way, because the Secretary of State has had long enough to speak. He has had far too...
Rushanara Ali | 532 c450 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State has spoken for long enough—[Interruption.] He has spoken, but there has not b...
Speaker | 532 c450 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Lady is entitled to make her speech and to be heard in this Chamber. As all Members ...
Rushanara Ali | 532 c449 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way, because there is not much time left. The borough is one of the poorest in the ...
Rushanara Ali | 532 c450 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. Amendment 1169 would be of great benefit in tackling health inequa...
Margot James | 532 c450-1 (Link to this contribution) I want to support the leadership that the Bill ascribes to public health and the role of the patient...
Lord Lansley | 532 c490 (Link to this contribution) If my hon. Friend will forgive me, I will not give way because other Members wish to speak on Third ...
Martin Horwood | 532 c452-4 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to you for calling me, Madam Deputy Speaker, as you have a tough job this af...
Paul Burstow | 532 c454 (Link to this contribution) We have had a full and wide-ranging debate on the many issues covered by this group of amendments. I...
Margot James | 532 c451 (Link to this contribution) I would love to but I am aware that others are waiting and I am trying to curtail my comments. [Hon....
Alison Seabeck | 532 c451-2 (Link to this contribution) I shall cut to the chase because other Members want to speak and many colleagues have spoken powerfu...
Paul Burstow | 532 c455 (Link to this contribution) No. The Bill has been changed because the Government have been listening carefully. We have acted o...
Paul Burstow | 532 c454-5 (Link to this contribution) No, not at all. The Bill will provide all the powers and duties necessary: the duty to keep the hea...
Lord Lansley | 532 c489 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time. The national health service is among our m...
William Cash | 532 c490 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Lord Lansley | 532 c491-2 (Link to this contribution) No. At the heart of the changes is support for clinical leadership, which has always been key in pu...
John Healey | 532 c492-3 (Link to this contribution) This Government and this Bill are giving health reform a bad name. The Bill is unwanted and unnecess...
Speaker | 532 c493 (Link to this contribution) Order. As Members will see, we have only a very short time before I put the Question, so could they ...
Sarah Wollaston | 532 c493 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Bethnal Green and Bow (Rushanara Ali) spoke of health inequalities in her consti...
Sarah Wollaston | 532 c493-4 (Link to this contribution) I will not, because so many Members are waiting to speak. There has been real scaremongering about,...
Speaker | 532 c494 (Link to this contribution) That is the length of speech that we like.
Rosie Cooper | 532 c494-5 (Link to this contribution) I fear that for all the listening, the work of the Future Forum, the concerns voiced by health profe...
Valerie Vaz | 532 c430-1 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Hexham (Guy Opperman), and it is good to see h...
Valerie Vaz | 532 c431 (Link to this contribution) He was: he had a very big smile on his face and he said, ““I'm about to retire.”” [Interruption.] Wi...
Guy Opperman | 532 c428-30 (Link to this contribution) I wish to start by making it clear that I am a big supporter of the NHS. I probably should declare a...
Guy Opperman | 532 c430 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I am going to keep going. The hon. Gentleman had about an hour to talk, and there ar...
Alison Seabeck | 532 c427 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend join me in sharing the concerns of many public health consultants in this regard...
Owen Smith | 532 c426-7 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree, and my faith is diminishing by the minute. I do not understand why the Government ...
Owen Smith | 532 c435 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that the critical points are that there is an unknown into which we are st...
Joan Walley | 532 c435 (Link to this contribution) We have just had an awfully long debate about precisely that issue. Many of us would say that the PC...
Paul Burstow | 532 c435 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is making some important points and is trying to respond to that raised by the hon. Me...
Joan Walley | 532 c435 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right. Constituents go to Members of Parliament as a last resort to try to ensure ...
Lyn Brown | 532 c435 (Link to this contribution) One of my biggest worries about the Bill is that it will stop me intervening in the health service t...
Joan Walley | 532 c434 (Link to this contribution) Following the hon. Member for Bosworth (David Tredinnick) illustrates the problems that we have with...
David Tredinnick | 532 c433-4 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful for being called to speak and for the opportunity to follow my colleague on the H...
Valerie Vaz | 532 c432-3 (Link to this contribution) What is so extraordinary is that the Secretary of State does not want to be the Secretary of State; ...
Valerie Vaz | 532 c431-2 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not. I again ask the Secretary of State for Health what discussions he has had with the ...
Andrew George | 532 c438 (Link to this contribution) Yes, and my new clause 16 proposes to address that issue through an opportunity for the Secretary of...
Paul Burstow | 532 c438 (Link to this contribution) May I just make it clear that I do not think that I or any other Minister at any point, either at th...
Andrew George | 532 c438-9 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend. He has referred to the issue as being totemic, and although I do no...
Stephen Lloyd | 532 c438 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that, because this is such a totemic issue, the key reason behind the prop...
Andrew George | 532 c439 (Link to this contribution) I hope so, but sporting my cricketing injury I hope that that analogy does not apply.
Simon Hughes | 532 c439 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend knows that I share his views, and the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent North (Joan Wall...
Andrew Percy | 532 c435 (Link to this contribution) I do not recognise the picture that the hon. Lady is painting. The real issue with the provision and...
Joan Walley | 532 c435 (Link to this contribution) That is right and it comes back to the fact that, somehow or other, under the new regime, whatever i...
Andrew George | 532 c437-8 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent North (Joan Walley), who address...
Joan Walley | 532 c435-7 (Link to this contribution) Of course it comes down to money, but it also comes down to fairness in how the money is allocated. ...
Andrew Percy | 532 c443 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady is making an interesting argument, and I would just ask her two things. First, how is ...
Caroline Lucas | 532 c442-3 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for not being present for the first half hour of this debate. I was in the Environmental...
Andrew George | 532 c440-2 (Link to this contribution) On that basis, Madam Deputy Speaker, I will end that part of the conversation and move on, acknowled...
Speaker | 532 c440 (Link to this contribution) Order. May I gently remind the Minister of two things? First, he has to address whole House. Secondl...
Caroline Lucas | 532 c443 (Link to this contribution) It seems to me that if Wales and Northern Ireland have been able to abolish prescription charging al...
Nick Smith | 532 c439 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Gentleman on this point and think that he should absolutely stick to his gun...
Paul Burstow | 532 c440 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making some important points, which give me the chance to underscore the important...
Andrew George | 532 c440 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that. During his remarks, he said that he believed that there wa...
Paul Burstow | 532 c440 (Link to this contribution) I draw my hon. Friend's attention to the Department of Health's website. Yesterday we published a de...
Andrew George | 532 c439-40 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, but I should also say that the Minister acknowledged in his ope...
Owen Smith | 532 c420 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that intervention. As she will know, the Government have no mand...
Paul Burstow | 532 c420 (Link to this contribution) I want to be absolutely clear about this. The hon. Gentleman is happy with an arrangement that allow...
Owen Smith | 532 c420-1 (Link to this contribution) I am happy—we are happy—with the Secretary of State being properly, publicly accountable through thi...
Andrew George | 532 c421 (Link to this contribution) I have to say that I entirely respect my hon. Friend the Minister. The hon. Gentleman's point echoes...
Owen Smith | 532 c421 (Link to this contribution) As I said earlier, or rather as somebody said on my behalf, I am not a lawyer—I am a historian. As a...
Steve McCabe | 532 c421 (Link to this contribution) Before my hon. Friend moves on to the next section of his speech, perhaps I can return to the questi...
Owen Smith | 532 c421-2 (Link to this contribution) It will. I have no doubt that the very many lawyers in the other place will have a field day in addr...
Baroness Morgan of Cotes | 532 c422 (Link to this contribution) Is that the independent legal advice given to the campaign organisation, 38 Degrees? If it is and if...
Owen Smith | 532 c422-3 (Link to this contribution) I am ever so grateful to the hon. Lady for that intervention, because it is profoundly rich for anyb...
Owen Smith | 532 c423 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to give way to the hon. Member for Central Suffolk and North Ipswich (Dr Poulter), wh...
David Tredinnick | 532 c424 (Link to this contribution) I think the hon. Gentleman might inadvertently have misled the House. He said that waiting lists wer...
Owen Smith | 532 c424-6 (Link to this contribution) I was waiting for that intervention and looking forward to it. I was slightly concerned, when the ho...
Dan Poulter | 532 c423 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making some good points. Does he accept that within a national framework of go...
Owen Smith | 532 c423-4 (Link to this contribution) I accept that there are obviously different needs and that there is a good case for a needs-based as...
Paul Burstow | 532 c426 (Link to this contribution) The shadow Minister rarely criticises the Government for telling the House again what they said in t...
Owen Smith | 532 c426 (Link to this contribution) The very simple question to be asked is ““Why the delay?”” Why could the Minister not have introduce...
Owen Smith | 532 c426 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has not said it before in a public realm of which I am aware. He certainly did not say ...
Kevin Barron | 532 c426 (Link to this contribution) It was clear from the day of its publication that the Bill, which abolishes the structure that had k...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c369 (Link to this contribution) I should like to make this point before I take any more interventions, because I also want to defend...
Louise Mensch | 532 c369 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend confirm that it is still safe for those of us who do not have concerns about the...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c369 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is not totally correct, because the whole purpose of the amendment is to separate out...
Chris Bryant | 532 c368 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful—[Interruption.] The hon. Lady says something from a sedentary position. I wholly ...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c368 (Link to this contribution) I would love to hear how the hon. Gentleman knows that that is what happens in Marie Stopes and BPAS...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c368 (Link to this contribution) That is a very important point, and in a moment I will come on to the financial link and the financi...
Helen Grant | 532 c368 (Link to this contribution) Will my brave hon. Friend confirm her belief that existing counselling services have the capacity to...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c368 (Link to this contribution) That is precisely the next point in my speech; my hon. Friend must have been looking over my shoulde...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 532 c367 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend share my incredulity at those Opposition Members who maintain that an organisati...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c367 (Link to this contribution) I have spoken to organisations that provide counselling and have 80,000 registered counsellors throu...
Mark Pritchard | 532 c367 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my courageous and honourable Friend for giving way. As 147 babies were terminated a...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c367 (Link to this contribution) No, I have given way to the hon. Lady once. I will give way to the hon. Lady who also acts as a Whip...
Lyn Brown | 532 c367 (Link to this contribution) I am listening with interest to the hon. Lady. How can she guarantee that the counselling that she p...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c366 (Link to this contribution) I want to finish this point, and then I will give way. The counsellor would be completely impartial...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c379 (Link to this contribution) No, no, no. I think that is because Liberal Democrats traditionally support choice. Is it any wonde...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c379 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr Speaker. I think our Prime Minister has been put in an impossible position. I want ev...
Martin Horwood | 532 c378 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr Speaker. Is it in order for an hon. Member to accuse a former hon. Member of...
Speaker | 532 c378 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. My understanding at present is that there has been no breach of...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c378 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way. The right hon. Gentleman may be interested to know—
Speaker | 532 c378 (Link to this contribution) Order. I apologise for interrupting the hon. Lady, but there is so much noise in the House that it i...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 532 c377 (Link to this contribution) My advice was that the hon. Lady might further her case if she concluded her remarks shortly.
Nadine Dorries | 532 c377 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I will. I will come to a conclusion now, as time is whizzing away because of the interventions...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c377 (Link to this contribution) Because, unfortunately, abortion provision and counselling is never scrutinised thoroughly or legisl...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c377 (Link to this contribution) No, I would like to continue on the financial incentives. BPAS and other organisations would say th...
Lord Field of Birkenhead | 532 c377 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady accept that she might further her case if she concluded her contribution soon?
Nadine Dorries | 532 c377-8 (Link to this contribution) No, I am going to close. I thought long and hard about tabling this amendment. Like so many issues c...
Andrew Selous | 532 c376 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether my hon. Friend will clarify something. It is my understanding that if she chooses t...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c375 (Link to this contribution) May I just finish this point? When those women would have been 10 weeks pregnant, two or three weeks...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c375 (Link to this contribution) No, I want to continue for a bit longer. The diagnosis of pregnancy happens very quickly. One can b...
Phillip Lee | 532 c376 (Link to this contribution) Yes, but my point is that this is such an emotive subject—we can tell from the responses on both sid...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c376 (Link to this contribution) Well, I hope that the unions and the left-wing media will take my hon. Friend's comments on board.
Phillip Lee | 532 c375 (Link to this contribution) I want to place it on the record that as somebody who wants a reduction in the time limit on abortio...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c376 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for his candour. However, I inform him that opportunities to debate abortion ...
Penny Mordaunt | 532 c376-7 (Link to this contribution) I am a former director of the largest patient organisation in Europe, which provides services on the...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c376 (Link to this contribution) The amendments are grouped, but when I spoke to the Table Office last night, I was told that I would...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c374-5 (Link to this contribution) No. I constantly speak to people at a high level across the abortion industry, and they always tell...
Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 532 c375 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps this is not about this particular debate on the amendment, but I have to say that some of us...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c373 (Link to this contribution) I hope that the quality of counselling is determined by the professional bodies by which the counsel...
Sarah Wollaston | 532 c374 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has twice quoted the Royal College of Psychiatrists and asserted that there is a much...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c374 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady makes the assumption that I want women to continue with unwanted pregnancies. That is ...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 532 c374 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Cambridge (Dr Huppert), who is currently fulfilling his role as Dr Evan Harris's...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c374 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Not only that, but the accounts of BPAS and Marie Stopes, which ...
Luciana Berger | 532 c374 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Lady give way on that point?
Nadine Dorries | 532 c375 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is a man of great conviction and, I think, a lay preacher, and we all respect and...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c373 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not give way again. Those members of staff are themselves not necessarily happy with the...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c373 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a point that is pertinent to his own beliefs. What I believe about counsell...
Jim Shannon | 532 c373 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady will be aware of facts and figures that indicate that a number of people who have had ...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c373 (Link to this contribution) No. I do not want to ban abortion—I want it to continue—but should we not be taking better care of ...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c372 (Link to this contribution) As I have said to many people, I will come on to the financial situation and the reasons for it. To...
Kate Green | 532 c373 (Link to this contribution) Where in the hon. Lady's amendment is there a guarantee of the quality of counselling that women wou...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c373 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the hon. Lady, who has tried to intervene several times.
Nadine Dorries | 532 c371 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the hon. Member for Streatham (Mr Umunna).
Speaker | 532 c371 (Link to this contribution) Order. It is important that the hon. Lady makes it clear to whom she is giving way.
Nadine Dorries | 532 c372 (Link to this contribution) All I can say is that we will look at the freedom of information figures that have come from the cli...
Chuka Umunna | 532 c371-2 (Link to this contribution) The central point of disagreement for many people is the implication in the amendment that the abort...
Edward Leigh | 532 c372 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that many abortion providers do their level best to give advice, but that is not the point...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c372 (Link to this contribution) No, I will carry on for a bit longer. I want to talk about the difference between consultation and ...
Gavin Shuker | 532 c370 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady has rightly probed the relationship between counselling and abortion on behalf of thos...
Mark Pritchard | 532 c371 (Link to this contribution) Soubry, zip it! [Interruption.] Sorry, Mr Speaker.
Nadine Dorries | 532 c371 (Link to this contribution) I know that others want to speak. I have been speaking for a while and I want to get to the end, so ...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c370-1 (Link to this contribution) I am not going to take any interventions for a few minutes. I would like to go back to the fact that...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c370 (Link to this contribution) I do feel that it is appropriate to divide the House on this issue, because I would like the amendme...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c371 (Link to this contribution) As I said, I do not want to look as if I am knocking abortion providers. As a nurse, I assisted with...
Speaker | 532 c371 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman. Let us try to maintain proceedings on an even keel. The hon. Ge...
Speaker | 532 c371 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman should withdraw that remark.
Nadine Dorries | 532 c369 (Link to this contribution) I hope that my hon. Friend is talking about the Crisis pregnancy centre in Dunstable, which I have v...
Andrew Selous | 532 c369 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend and parliamentary neighbour. May I for a second take the debate from...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c369 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention, because I am coming to another interesting statistic t...
Craig Whittaker | 532 c369 (Link to this contribution) Marie Stopes International said in the briefing that it sent to all MPs that only 2% to 2.5% of wome...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c370 (Link to this contribution) I will give way in a minute. There is a huge disparity between the figures that show both where a w...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c370 (Link to this contribution) I give way to the hon. Member for Luton South.
Nadine Dorries | 532 c370 (Link to this contribution) I want to finish this point, and then I will give way. I know that the hon. Member for Stretford and...
Jim Shannon | 532 c365 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for giving way, and I commend her courage and perseverance. Does she share the...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c365 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman makes a pertinent point about the relationship between financial incentive and ab...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c365 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely will not. I want to mention some of the other lies that have been printed about me. I ...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c364-5 (Link to this contribution) No. I have also been accused of being a religious fundamentalist. Like 73% of the country, I am a m...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c364 (Link to this contribution) There are lots of comments being made from a sedentary position, Mr Speaker, but The Times has actua...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c364 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely will—that is why I am here—but it is important to explain the context and the backgroun...
Rachel Reeves | 532 c364 (Link to this contribution) At what point will the hon. Lady move on to the substance of the amendment, rather than issues such ...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c364 (Link to this contribution) I will answer that question, and after I do I hope the hon. Lady will tell me who funds Labour Frien...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c366 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend, and in a moment I will come on to the difference between counselling and con...
David Burrowes | 532 c366 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend was right to introduce her remarks to the House and highlight the unacceptable person...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c366 (Link to this contribution) Well, that comment is probably the most fatuous we will hear in the debate, and probably the most di...
Julian Huppert | 532 c366 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady accept the comments of the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, whi...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c366 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way again to the hon. Gentleman, as I am sure that he will have an opportunity to ma...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c363-4 (Link to this contribution) I will tell the hon. Lady exactly who funds my campaign—nobody. Neither I, nor my office has receive...
Speaker | 532 c362 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Amendment 2, page 6, line 8, at end inser...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c363 (Link to this contribution) Four weeks ago I was not sure whether I would get to the point where I could speak in the Chamber to...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c362 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 1, page 6, line 8, at end insert—
Luciana Berger | 532 c364 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Lady please tell the House exactly who funds the Right to Know e-mails that many of us...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c364 (Link to this contribution) I will give way, because the hon. Lady has commented previously on the press in this regard.
Steve McCabe | 532 c409 (Link to this contribution) A number of us are trying to understand what will trigger some kind of higher-level arbitration if i...
Paul Burstow | 532 c409 (Link to this contribution) I fear that, unfortunately, the hon. Lady might well have dusted down an old copy of the Bill, befor...
Diane Abbott | 532 c381 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes an excellent point.
Diane Abbott | 532 c382 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way to the hon. Member for Central Suffolk and North Ipswich (Dr Poulter).
Owen Smith | 532 c428 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is close to health workers and health professionals in her constituency, and she know...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c367 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for that comment. That is a different debate, but he highlights an important ...
Nadine Dorries | 532 c374 (Link to this contribution) No, I should like to continue. [Hon. Members: ““Give way!””] I will give way once more and then not ...
Julian Huppert | 532 c372 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Lady give way on that point?

Subjects

Complaints
Disclosure of information
Abortion
Advisory services
Counselling
Health
Health services
Fees and charges
Health professions
General practitioners
Local government
Private sector
NHS
Ministerial responsibility
Procurement
Primary care trusts
Training
Social services
Vocational education
Care Quality Commission
Cord blood
Marie Stopes International
British Pregnancy Advisory Service
NHS Commissioning Board

Legislation

Health and Social Care Bill 2010-12

Contains statistics

Yes

Link

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