Draft Scottish Parliament (Elections etc.) Order 2010. Debate on a motion to approve. The Deputy Speaker's opinion as to the decision of the Question being challenged, the division was deferred until Wednesday 1 December. Agreed on deferred division (317 to 212).
Constitutional Law
Legislative debate on Wednesday, 24 November 2010,
in the House of Commons,
led by David Mundell.
The answering
member was Tom Greatrex.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
Reference
519 c377-401 Session
2010-12Chamber / Committee
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Scottish Parliament (Elections etc.) Order 2010
Monday, 25 October 2010
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Monday, 25 October 2010
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Proceeding contributions
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 519 c384 (Link to this contribution)
Has the Minister ever placed much emphasis on Mr Ron Gould?
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Margaret Curran | 519 c397 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister referred to last week's debate in the Scottish Parliament and my participation in it. I...
David Mundell | 519 c385 (Link to this contribution)
If I had been able to complete my response to the hon. Member for Kilmarnock and Loudoun (Cathy Jami...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 519 c394-5 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise, Madam Deputy Speaker. The hon. Gentleman tempts me unduly.
Since May, we have had diff...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 519 c392-3 (Link to this contribution)
The SNP would have treated the Scottish people with more courtesy than the Conservatives and Liberal...
David Mundell | 519 c381 (Link to this contribution)
I will take your advice and stick to the discussion of the order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I would like...
Thomas Docherty | 519 c381 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?
David Mundell | 519 c382 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that it is evidence of that at all. The hon. Gentleman will know from his long servic...
David Mundell | 519 c383 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady makes a valid point about postal votes and how they will be dealt with, and we will sp...
David Mundell | 519 c383 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed, the verification count will be done first, and it will be exactly the same as in 1999 and 20...
Iain Stewart | 519 c383 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that I can be helpful. In the general election in May this year, my count was combined with t...
Frank Roy | 519 c381 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister tell the House—or put the information in the Library—how many people have contacte...
David Mundell | 519 c381 (Link to this contribution)
I presume that the hon. Gentleman is referring to the Scottish Parliament (Elections etc.) Order 201...
Jim McGovern | 519 c381 (Link to this contribution)
I am a member of the Scottish Affairs Committee, as the Minister is aware, and I cannot remember us ...
David Mundell | 519 c381 (Link to this contribution)
I am very clear that I will be voting no in the AV referendum.
Fiona O'Donnell | 519 c381 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps we can reframe the question. With 60 seconds on the doorstep to speak to a voter in your con...
Speaker | 519 c381 (Link to this contribution)
Order. It is not me who will be doing that. I would be grateful if hon. Members addressed their rema...
Speaker | 519 c381 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I know that the Minister was tempted by that question, but perhaps we could stick to the draf...
David Mundell | 519 c380 (Link to this contribution)
The Secretary of State had confidence that I would be in a position to make the case for the order. ...
David Mundell | 519 c380 (Link to this contribution)
The people of Scotland prefer being part of the UK to Scottish independence, but we are not debating...
David Mundell | 519 c384 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is better placed than many others to know exactly how these organisations operate...
Ian Murray | 519 c383 (Link to this contribution)
I want to probe the Minister on that point. If someone voting in the AV referendum has to go to a di...
David Mundell | 519 c383 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is a very experienced election campaigner, and he knows that in 1999 and 2003, wh...
David Cairns | 519 c384 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is praying in aid the expertise of the Electoral Management Board of Scotland. Does he ...
David Mundell | 519 c384 (Link to this contribution)
I am confident, as is the Electoral Management Board, that that process can be dealt with, but I wil...
Michael Connarty | 519 c383 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister said that he did not envisage a time when local government elections, Scottish Governme...
David Mundell | 519 c383 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that it will.
Frank Roy | 519 c383 (Link to this contribution)
We have heard that some ballot papers could go into the wrong ballot boxes. Is the Minister saying t...
David Mundell | 519 c383 (Link to this contribution)
This a stand-alone order, which regulates the conduct of Scottish Parliament elections.
David Mundell | 519 c384 (Link to this contribution)
I have not placed the same emphasis on Mr Ron Gould as the hon. Gentleman's colleague, Miss Nicola S...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 519 c384 (Link to this contribution)
I simply repeat my question: has the Minister ever placed much emphasis on Mr Ron Gould?
David Mundell | 519 c384 (Link to this contribution)
I think that I have quoted Mr Gould in full, and I think he is quite clear—
Cathy Jamieson | 519 c384 (Link to this contribution)
I want to ask the Minister for absolute clarity on this. He has cited the Scottish Affairs Select Co...
David Mundell | 519 c384 (Link to this contribution)
Mr Ron Gould provided an authoritative report that is reflected in the order and in the subsequent S...
Tom Greatrex | 519 c384 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps the Minister could read out the sentence before the quote from Ron Gould that he has already...
David Mundell | 519 c382 (Link to this contribution)
No, I want to make some progress. I also want to leave time for the many Members from Scotland to ma...
Frank Roy | 519 c382 (Link to this contribution)
Is not the fact that there are so many mistakes that have to be rectified evidence that the order is...
Fiona O'Donnell | 519 c383 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Gentleman give his view on the count taking place that night? Would it be the co...
Mike Weir | 519 c383 (Link to this contribution)
One problem with joint elections is that some papers are inevitably put in the wrong ballot box. Wil...
Frank Roy | 519 c381 (Link to this contribution)
In short, does that mean that no one has contacted the Minister?
David Mundell | 519 c381 (Link to this contribution)
The public had confidence that the political parties in Scotland and the professionals who serve on ...
David Mundell | 519 c381 (Link to this contribution)
I give way to the hon. Member for East Lothian (Fiona O'Donnell).
David Mundell | 519 c379 (Link to this contribution)
I do not accept that at all. I have read the transcript. As the hon. Lady knows, the arguments that ...
David Mundell | 519 c380 (Link to this contribution)
That is a ridiculous suggestion. The Government will listen to the Scottish Parliament. Had the deba...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 519 c380 (Link to this contribution)
To rewind, the hon. Member for Glasgow North West (John Robertson) said that he did not often agree ...
Thomas Docherty | 519 c380 (Link to this contribution)
There is only a handful of Lib Dems in the Chamber tonight, but where is the Secretary of State for ...
David Mundell | 519 c380 (Link to this contribution)
I will give preference to Back Benchers at this stage.
Michael Connarty | 519 c380 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister. He is smirking all over his face, but does he not realise that people...
Margaret Curran | 519 c379 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to respond to the provocation by the right hon. Gentleman. Does he not agree that in that deb...
David Mundell | 519 c379 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady will be pleased to know that I read in detail the debate that took place in the Scotti...
David Mundell | 519 c379 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman knows, this is a coalition in the Westminster Parliament, and the arrangement ...
Cathy Jamieson | 519 c379 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the right hon. Gentleman for so generously giving way. If he is so keen on the Scottish Parl...
David Mundell | 519 c379 (Link to this contribution)
Clearly, it is not inconceivable that such a thing might happen. However, in accordance with the Fix...
John Robertson | 519 c379 (Link to this contribution)
I am all for helping out the right hon. Gentleman. It is not often that he and I agree with each oth...
David Mundell | 519 c378 (Link to this contribution)
I will, and I was pleased to read his contribution to the debate on the Bill on the day he refers to...
Ian Murray | 519 c378 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Gentleman concede that while there may be a general election and a Scottish elec...
David Mundell | 519 c378 (Link to this contribution)
I think the hon. Gentleman's memory betrays him. If he had been paying particular attention to the h...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 519 c378 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Gentleman welcome, as I do, the partial acceptance of the thrust of the Scottish...
Sheila Gilmore | 519 c378 (Link to this contribution)
In the light of the Minister's comments and the criticisms that there have been of the 2007 election...
David Mundell | 519 c378 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Lady will know, having contributed to other debates, that issue has been debated in the ...
Stewart Hosie | 519 c378 (Link to this contribution)
I appreciate that the Minister has changed his mind—he is perfectly entitled to do that—but he prays...
David Mundell | 519 c377 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move,"That the draft Scottish Parliament (Elections etc.) Order 2010, which was laid before...
David Mundell | 519 c377 (Link to this contribution)
I regret that, at that time, the Labour party did not accept the coherence of my argument. It was, o...
Thomas Docherty | 519 c377 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister mentioned that he raised the matter some time ago, after the last Scottish Parliament e...
Margaret Curran | 519 c399-400 (Link to this contribution)
I know that that has been under discussion for some time, and I think the hon. Gentleman knows our v...
David Mundell | 519 c400 (Link to this contribution)
I will respond to as many points related to the order as I can in the time available to me, but if s...
Margaret Curran | 519 c400 (Link to this contribution)
May I ask why the Minister did not consult the Scottish Parliament about the proposal? Does he regar...
David Mundell | 519 c400-1 (Link to this contribution)
I do not accept that it was a breach of the mutual respect agenda that this Government are pursuing....
Margaret Curran | 519 c399 (Link to this contribution)
I am very short of time, so I do not think I can.
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 519 c399 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful. Given the problem that the hon. Lady is highlighting, does she not feel that that pow...
Margaret Curran | 519 c399 (Link to this contribution)
Very briefly—I know what you're like.
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 519 c399 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Lady give way?
Margaret Curran | 519 c398-9 (Link to this contribution)
There are many issues of substance in the order. We want to be very co-operative with the Government...
Thomas Docherty | 519 c398 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for raising that issue and, like him, look forward to the Minist...
Thomas Docherty | 519 c397 (Link to this contribution)
I have taken part in all our constitutional debates on the Floor of the House, and I yet again welco...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 519 c397 (Link to this contribution)
My memory could be defective, but I somehow feel that in a previous life, in another role in this Ho...
Cathy Jamieson | 519 c397 (Link to this contribution)
I absolutely understand my hon. Friend's position, and she is absolutely right. I hope that in closi...
Cathy Jamieson | 519 c396-7 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps the hon. Gentleman will allow me to make some progress. It is important to recognise that th...
Alan Reid | 519 c396 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady has obviously studied the order. Can she tell us what changes to the order she would l...
Cathy Jamieson | 519 c396 (Link to this contribution)
I shall be brief as I know that some of my colleagues hope to get into the debate. At the start of i...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 519 c395-6 (Link to this contribution)
Usually I welcome interventions. I am reluctant to slam the hon. Gentleman, but if he had listened t...
Alan Reid | 519 c395 (Link to this contribution)
I have been listening to the hon. Gentleman's speech and I am trying to work out what he finds wrong...
David Mundell | 519 c385 (Link to this contribution)
I am confident that that issue will be addressed by the electoral authorities. There are different e...
Mark Lazarowicz | 519 c385 (Link to this contribution)
What assessment has the Minister made of the possibility of confusion arising from some people being...
Mark Lazarowicz | 519 c385 (Link to this contribution)
I understand that, but at some polling stations in my constituency, up to 10% of the electorate coul...
David Mundell | 519 c385 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman's comments will no doubt have been heard by the Electoral Commission and those wh...
Mike Freer | 519 c385 (Link to this contribution)
To be helpful to the Minister, I would like to point out that in London we had the mayoral elections...
Tom Greatrex | 519 c388-9 (Link to this contribution)
It is always a pleasure to follow the Minister. As he explained, this order has been in preparation ...
Alan Reid | 519 c389 (Link to this contribution)
I the hon. Gentleman's attention to what happened when his party was in power. At the very last minu...
David Mundell | 519 c385-7 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I shall continue with my summary of the order's impact.
There will...
Speaker | 519 c385 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I am sure that the Minister is very grateful for the hon. Gentleman's help, but let us stick ...
David Mundell | 519 c388 (Link to this contribution)
I am recognising that the coincidence of the Scottish Parliament and Westminster elections in 2015 i...
Ian Murray | 519 c387 (Link to this contribution)
I am pleased that discussions are taking place with various bodies about the elections in 2015. Is t...
Tom Greatrex | 519 c391-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful as ever for the erudite intervention of my hon. Friend. Given that other matters are b...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 519 c392 (Link to this contribution)
I have been slightly distracted by a decoy from the Government Whips, but we in the Hebrides can for...
Tom Greatrex | 519 c389-91 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his excitable intervention. I am sure that he, in common wit...
Thomas Docherty | 519 c391 (Link to this contribution)
Given that the Scottish National party failed to consult this place or the other parties when it too...
Speaker | 519 c394 (Link to this contribution)
Order. This is not a private conversation between the hon. Member for Na h-Eileanan an Iar (Mr MacNe...
Angus Brendan MacNeil | 519 c393-4 (Link to this contribution)
To be absolutely honest, I do not recall that, but I am grateful to my hon. Friend for raising it. P...
Mike Weir | 519 c393 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a good point about the lining up of candidates and party affiliations. Does he ...
David Mundell | 519 c392 (Link to this contribution)
May I seek the hon. Gentleman's clarification on which referendum he means? I had understood that th...
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