Video Recordings Bill. Allocation of time motion. Agreed to on question. Second reading debate. Agreed to on question. Committee stage. Clauses 1 and 2, and the Schedule agreed to on question. Bill reported without amendment. Third reading debate. Agreed to on question. Bill passed.
Video Recordings Bill (Allocation of time motion)
Debate on bills
and
Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Wednesday, 6 January 2010,
in the House of Commons,
led by Sion Simon.
The answering
member was Lord Vaizey of Didcot.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
Reference
503 c174-211 Session
2009-10Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamberRelated items
Video Recordings Bill. Explanatory Notes Bill 14-EN also published.
Tuesday, 15 December 2009
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House of Commons
Tuesday, 15 December 2009
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Proceeding contributions
Keith Vaz | 503 c176 (Link to this contribution)
This matter was discovered some weeks ago. Have the Government caused an investigation to be held to...
Sion Simon | 503 c176 (Link to this contribution)
The failure to notify the draft was in 1984, under the previous Conservative Administration, about w...
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Lembit Opik | 503 c176 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister accepts that it was down to a previous Administration. The practical cost to the House ...
Sion Simon | 503 c174-6 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move,"That the following provisions shall apply to the proceedings on the Video Recordings ...
Sion Simon | 503 c176-7 (Link to this contribution)
The Cabinet Office is looking to see whether this kind of thing might have happened on other occasio...
Philip Davies | 503 c177 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister says that there is a loophole and he talks about trying to make the law enforceable. Ac...
Speaker | 503 c177 (Link to this contribution)
Order. It pains me greatly to interrupt the hon. Member for Shipley (Philip Davies) but, as always, ...
Sion Simon | 503 c177 (Link to this contribution)
I shall take your guidance, Mr. Speaker; I would be happy to discuss that matter with the hon. Gentl...
Sion Simon | 503 c183 (Link to this contribution)
I think I have made the point. We intend to get the legislation through before the election. If the ...
Greg Knight | 503 c181 (Link to this contribution)
Is the Minister aware of any convictions that are currently being challenged or are the subject of a...
Sion Simon | 503 c181 (Link to this contribution)
Certainly, there will have been prosecutions that were pending or in process when the defect, to ech...
Keith Vaz | 503 c181-2 (Link to this contribution)
It is very nice to hear about the contribution that the industry makes to the British economy. Does ...
Sion Simon | 503 c182 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend, who is a tireless advocate of his views on the subject. Yes, ...
Keith Vaz | 503 c182 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for giving way to me a second time. He talked about the boxed games. O...
Sion Simon | 503 c182 (Link to this contribution)
As my right hon. Friend knows, child safety, boxed games, and good information that is readily under...
Lord Foster of Bath | 503 c182 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister will be aware, as many of us are, that because of the length of time that it now looks ...
Sion Simon | 503 c182-3 (Link to this contribution)
We have every intention of getting the Digital Economy Bill in its entirety on to the statute book a...
David Heath | 503 c177-8 (Link to this contribution)
I do not wish to disagree with the motion, but I want to make a point on procedure. It is not good p...
Sion Simon | 503 c178 (Link to this contribution)
That could not have been done because the situation was caused by a failure to notify under the tech...
Philip Davies | 503 c178-9 (Link to this contribution)
You are a reasonable man, Mr. Speaker, so I can only presume that your necessary intervention earlie...
Lord Foster of Bath | 503 c179 (Link to this contribution)
I understand entirely the point that the hon. Gentleman makes, but will he bear it in mind that ever...
David Heath | 503 c178 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for that long intervention, which was helpful. I am grateful to him fo...
Keith Vaz | 503 c178 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, shall be brief, Mr. Speaker, because of the guidance that you have given. I want to be reass...
Sion Simon | 503 c181 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.
I thank the hon. Member for Bath (Mr. Foste...
Philip Davies | 503 c179-80 (Link to this contribution)
I absolutely agree. In effect, that was the point that I was trying to tease out from the Minister i...
Sion Simon | 503 c180 (Link to this contribution)
I shall construe your silence on the matter, Mr. Speaker, as consent that I might reply to the hon. ...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c189 (Link to this contribution)
No, that is not my understanding of the Bill. As I understand it, an Act passed by a sovereign Parli...
Lord Foster of Bath | 503 c189 (Link to this contribution)
I might have misheard the hon. Gentleman. Will he confirm that his understanding of the Bill that we...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c189 (Link to this contribution)
We are in danger of descending into sophistry. It is an Act of Parliament, but it is a toothless one...
Sion Simon | 503 c189 (Link to this contribution)
I want to reassure the hon. Gentleman that the Act remains an Act: an Act of this Parliament is an A...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c187-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for this chance to support the Government in seeking to pass the Video Recordings Bill...
Sion Simon | 503 c185-6 (Link to this contribution)
The convictions are safe in the sense that any attempt to seek any restitution against them would al...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c188 (Link to this contribution)
I would never dare to argue with you, Mr. Speaker, but I am a little hurt that you have stolen my pu...
Sion Simon | 503 c185 (Link to this contribution)
My understanding is—I am pretty clear—that none of the Act is enforceable, because the original legi...
Philip Davies | 503 c185 (Link to this contribution)
After everyone has been so helpful, I do not want to be unhelpful, but I am still puzzled, because t...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c185 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister help me? I think that the hon. Member for Bath (Mr. Foster), the Liberal Democrat ...
John Whittingdale | 503 c184 (Link to this contribution)
Just to be helpful, I might point out that the mover of the amendment to the Act in 1993 was of cour...
Sion Simon | 503 c184 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes a very fair point, and he makes it more difficult for me to resist making c...
Lord Foster of Bath | 503 c184 (Link to this contribution)
May I further help the Minister? While he is being extremely generous to the hon. Member for Wantage...
Sion Simon | 503 c184 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his extraordinary parliamentary erudition, and for his ...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c184 (Link to this contribution)
If I can help the Minister, I should say that the directive came into force on 28 March 1983 and the...
Sion Simon | 503 c184 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his intervention, and I do not want to make a party politica...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c184 (Link to this contribution)
In case anyone wishes to make a party political point about the issue, it may be worth noting that t...
Keith Vaz | 503 c207 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend's officials may not be legally qualified. They may be the greatest people in the worl...
Sion Simon | 503 c207 (Link to this contribution)
I have taken a great deal of my advice from my officials. I cannot tell my right hon. Friend from wh...
Lord Foster of Bath | 503 c208 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise for asking a question the answer to which I should really know. I accept the Minister's ...
Sion Simon | 503 c207-8 (Link to this contribution)
As I have just told my right hon. Friend, I took advice from my officials. By "my officials" I mean ...
Lord Foster of Bath | 503 c208 (Link to this contribution)
During my speech I asked the Minister to clarify whether he believes that if such an amendment is no...
John Whittingdale | 503 c208 (Link to this contribution)
Is it the Government's intention to accept the other amendment that has been tabled to the Digital E...
Sion Simon | 503 c208 (Link to this contribution)
I can give the hon. Gentleman that assurance—that is happening, for sure.
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c208 (Link to this contribution)
I should remind the Minister that on Tuesday one of his own Back Benchers, the hon. Member for Hendo...
Sion Simon | 503 c210 (Link to this contribution)
The schedule sets out the transitional provisions whereby a bridge is built between the 1984 Act spa...
Sion Simon | 503 c210 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 2 merely sets out the short title, commencement and territorial extent of the Bill.
Question...
Sion Simon | 503 c210 (Link to this contribution)
If the House will permit me, I will omit, in these circumstances, the usual courtesies attached to t...
Sion Simon | 503 c208-9 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member for Maldon and East Chelmsford (Mr. Whittingdale) kindly referred to that. There is ...
Sion Simon | 503 c211 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that; I did fail to answer that question, although not ...
Lord Foster of Bath | 503 c211 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister use this opportunity to answer the questions asked on Second Reading in respect of...
Sion Simon | 503 c211 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker—[Interruptio...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c193-4 (Link to this contribution)
Mr. Deputy Speaker, you were not in the Chamber when Mr. Speaker continued to anticipate my every re...
Lord Foster of Bath | 503 c193 (Link to this contribution)
I join the hon. Gentleman in his praise of the industry. Is he aware that in fact, the number of pro...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c194 (Link to this contribution)
That is absolutely correct.
There is some concern that music and sports videos remain exempt from c...
Speaker | 503 c194 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I repeat my earlier remarks to the hon. Gentleman and remind him that we are dealing with one...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c195 (Link to this contribution)
I continue to assume that the right hon. Gentleman is against hardcore pornography and offensive con...
John Whittingdale | 503 c198 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman refers to "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2". It is already rated 18 and ther...
Lord Foster of Bath | 503 c199-201 (Link to this contribution)
It is a great honour and privilege to follow the right hon. Member for Leicester, East (Keith Vaz), ...
Keith Vaz | 503 c198-9 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely, and I would be the last person on earth to question the expertise of the Chairman of the...
Keith Vaz | 503 c201 (Link to this contribution)
If the law is logical—the Minister will know more than we do about that, because he will have consul...
Lord Foster of Bath | 503 c202-3 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed, and I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman, because when he made that very point earlier, I loo...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c202 (Link to this contribution)
Is the hon. Gentleman reading from the BBFC briefing?
Lord Foster of Bath | 503 c201-2 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman is distinguished in many regards, but we will leave it to the equally disti...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c201 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman is also a distinguished lawyer.
Keith Vaz | 503 c207 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has taken definitive legal advice from the Attorney-General, has he not? The fact tha...
Sion Simon | 503 c206-7 (Link to this contribution)
With the leave of the House, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I shall reply to the debate—and what a pleasure it ...
John Whittingdale | 503 c203-5 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow all four previous speakers in what has been a remarkably harmonious debat...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c190 (Link to this contribution)
I take my hon. Friend's correction. I cannot think of another film off the top of my head, but perha...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c189-90 (Link to this contribution)
The Cabinet Office would not have to go through every single Act of Parliament. It would have to go ...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c190 (Link to this contribution)
I certainly concede that point. One can look at this from the perspective that the glass is half ful...
John Whittingdale | 503 c190 (Link to this contribution)
I hesitate to disagree with my hon. Friend, but I believe that "A Clockwork Orange" was not banned, ...
Keith Vaz | 503 c189 (Link to this contribution)
I am following the hon. Gentleman's speech with great interest—but he has not yet told us what grade...
Keith Vaz | 503 c189 (Link to this contribution)
That was a sort of rhetorical question. I am sure you would have something to say if we were to disc...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c192-3 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
The 1984 Act has been effective in dealing with under-age sales, and...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c192 (Link to this contribution)
We need to protect children from access to violent video games, films, television shows and books. T...
Speaker | 503 c192 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I believe the hon. Gentleman has enjoyed a fair amount of latitude already this afternoon, an...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c191-2 (Link to this contribution)
I concede your point, Mr. Speaker, but, yet again, you have torpedoed my next joke. Depressingly, I ...
Keith Vaz | 503 c192 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted that the Minister raises the issue of children. Presumably he is fully behind the rec...
Speaker | 503 c191 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The hon. Gentleman has been in the House for four and a half years. I am sure he knows that h...
Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 503 c190-1 (Link to this contribution)
"Straw Dogs" is one that I almost mentioned. I have not seen it, but it was in the BBFC's briefing t...
Speaker | 503 c191 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I think we have had enough of this—
John Whittingdale | 503 c190 (Link to this contribution)
"Straw Dogs".
Keith Vaz | 503 c195 (Link to this contribution)
I do not agree that we are talking about the same thing. A film with inappropriate content is not in...
Speaker | 503 c188 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The hon. Gentleman's very blatant tribute to his own Chief Whip is of great interest to the H...
Sion Simon | 503 c184 (Link to this contribution)
I shall move on to answer the question from the hon. Member for Wantage (Mr. Vaizey) about how the o...
Sion Simon | 503 c208 (Link to this contribution)
I take that point. I do not have a strong, dogmatic view on this. I have considered it, and on balan...
Keith Vaz | 503 c195-7 (Link to this contribution)
It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Wantage (Mr. Vaizey). I congratulate him on his...
Philip Davies | 503 c190 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend puts a positive interpretation on those statistics, but will he concede that they mig...
Sion Simon | 503 c208 (Link to this contribution)
As things currently stand, we are not minded to accept that amendment, although I am not averse to t...
Lord Foster of Bath | 503 c201 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman makes a compelling point. Indeed, I noticed some months ago that he was rep...
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