Coroners and Justice Bill. Lords consideration of Commons reason and amendment. Lords amendments 1, 2, 216 not insisted on, and amendment 1B proposed in lieu. Lords amendment 55 not insisted on, and an amendment in lieu disagreed to. Lords amendments 59, 119, 121, 236, 239 insisted on. Lords amendment 66 not insisted on, with Commons amendment 66A in lieu agreed to. Committee appointed to draw up reasons. Reasons reported and agreed to. Bill returned to the Commons with an amendment and reasons.
Coroners and Justice Bill
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Coroners and Justice Bill. Commons reasons and amendment.
Tuesday, 10 November 2009
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Tuesday, 10 November 2009
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Coroners and Justice Bill. Lords amendment in lieu, insistence and reasons.
Wednesday, 11 November 2009
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Wednesday, 11 November 2009
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c826-7 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment to the Motion
A1: Leave out ““Amendment 1B”” and insert ““Amendments 1C and 1D””.
1C: Pa...
Lord Bach | 714 c848-50 (Link to this contribution)
Motion C
That this House do not insist on its Amendments 59, 119, 121, 236 and 239 to which the Com...
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Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c867-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 66 seeks to establish an independent commissioner for terrorist suspects. As my ...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c866-7 (Link to this contribution)
That this House do not insist on its Amendment 66 to which the Commons have disagreed and do agree w...
Lord Waddington | 714 c863-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am bound to say that I have been rather surprised by the Minister’s reply. At no time has he sough...
Lord Bach | 714 c863 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that I have answered my noble friend; he knows ACPO’s position.
I repeat that these offences...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 714 c871-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may first address the concerns of the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, who explained ra...
Lord Pannick | 714 c870-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I share the regrets and concerns expressed by the noble Baroness, Lady Neville-Jones. Of c...
Baroness Neville-Jones | 714 c869-70 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I find it disappointing that the Government’s objection to the notion of having a special ...
Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 714 c862 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I come from a city where there is freedom. You can write to the local newspaper, criticise...
Lord Bach | 714 c862 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful. I was just about to move on to ACPO and what the noble Lord, Lord Dear, told us. He s...
Lord Dear | 714 c863 (Link to this contribution)
In another place and, I suspect, in another age, I would be sending my seconds round to the Minister...
Lord Tebbit | 714 c861 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is on an important point. Perhaps he can give us a guarantee that the Government will n...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 714 c861-2 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord said that the police have been criticised. That is not the real point. This lady wrot...
Lord Bach | 714 c861 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I cannot give guarantees about any future Government. That provision was passed by a major...
Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 714 c862 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may intervene. I did not speak earlier, because we wanted to get through the debate quickl...
Lord Bach | 714 c862 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord makes a fair point.
Lord Bach | 714 c862 (Link to this contribution)
I think that I already have done that. The noble Lord made a fair point. The point that I am trying ...
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 714 c862 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, you cannot have an intervention on an intervention. I should like the Minister to be allow...
Lord Pannick | 714 c829-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is a much more difficult issue than the Minister suggests. An inquiry before a judge,...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 714 c830 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was not intending to speak, but the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, spoke about his hope that ...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 714 c830 (Link to this contribution)
I support the points made by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, and the noble and learned Baroness, Lady ...
Lord Bach | 714 c830-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken, particularly to the noble Baroness,...
Lord Bach | 714 c823 (Link to this contribution)
That this House do not insist on its Amendments 1, 2 and 216 to which the Commons have disagreed, bu...
Lord Bach | 714 c823-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that this House do not insist on its Amendments 1, 2 and 216 to which the Co...
Lord Henley | 714 c827-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will in due course speak to Motion A1. I start by addressing Motion A because, without d...
Lord Vinson | 714 c855 (Link to this contribution)
Is that point not already covered under existing law quite clearly and therefore what the noble Lord...
Lord Smith of Finsbury | 714 c856 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that it does. The point that I was about to make is that legislation, in the signals tha...
Lord Dear | 714 c853-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in speaking in support of the noble Lord, Lord Waddington, I make a number of points in fa...
Lord Smith of Finsbury | 714 c855 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to plead with your Lordships’ House to reject the amendment and agree with the Hous...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 714 c852 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment, which I support, does not in my view encourage anything with which the nobl...
Lord Clarke of Hampstead | 714 c858-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not intend at this hour to repeat what I said in previous debates. I support the amen...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 714 c858 (Link to this contribution)
Let me start by making it clear that on these Benches, as with issues of conscience—we consider this...
Baroness Paisley of St George's | 714 c857 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with regard to Mrs Howe, whose name was mentioned, she and her husband are personal friend...
Bishop of Winchester | 714 c856-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall say very little because virtually everything I wished to say has been said by the ...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 714 c856 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first, the only reason that the House of Commons has given for rejecting the amendment agr...
Lord Henley | 714 c860 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I fail to see the relevance of the noble Lord’s point. We are talking about what goes on i...
Lord Bach | 714 c860 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will not. This is government policy and we expect Members on our Benches to support the ...
Baroness Trumpington | 714 c860 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wonder whether I would be right in saying that 99 per cent of the Members in this Chambe...
Lord Henley | 714 c859 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I intervene briefly, first to make it clear, as the late Lord Kingsland did in Committee, ...
Lord Bach | 714 c859 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in the debate on both sides of the issue—starting ...
Lord Bach | 714 c860 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there is no answer to that. I will cut the cackle, but it will be interesting to see wheth...
Lord Bach | 714 c860-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the honourable Claire Ward, a member of the Labour Party in the House of Commons, spoke ve...
Lord Waddington | 714 c860 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, no member of the Labour Party supported the Government. The only member of the Labour Part...
Lord Bach | 714 c832 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I must be very careful what I say about conversations that have taken place. The Lord Chan...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 714 c832-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that last reply is surprising if this has been in the Government’s mind for some time and ...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 714 c832 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, has the Lord Chief Justice been consulted on the terms of the amendment, and has he accept...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c836-41 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Bach, referred to the history of provocation. It was a defence in com...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c836 (Link to this contribution)
B1: As an amendment to Motion B, at end insert ““, but do propose Amendment 55B in lieu—
55B: Page...
Lord Bach | 714 c835-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Government remain firmly of the view that the sexual infidelity exclusion in the new p...
Lord Bach | 714 c835 (Link to this contribution)
That this House do not insist on its Amendment 55 to which the Commons have disagreed.
Lord Henley | 714 c841-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have some sympathy with what the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, said, in particula...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c841 (Link to this contribution)
May I get to the amendment, in which we try to make at least some sense? It ties the issue of sexual...
Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 714 c842-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to oppose the amendment and ask for the reintroduction of the original clause. The ...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 714 c843-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have not spoken in any of the earlier debates on this matter and, indeed, have been more...
Lord Pannick | 714 c844 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, can the Minister reassure me on one matter? I entirely understand the Government’s argumen...
Lord Bach | 714 c844-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords who have spoken, not least the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gre...
Baroness Gould of Potternewton | 714 c846 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise to the noble Lord; I should have intervened a moment or two earlier. Many of t...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c846 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister. In my view, the amendment is wider than the Government...
Lord Waddington | 714 c850 (Link to this contribution)
C1: As an amendment to Motion C, leave out ““not””.
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 714 c846-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in that case I hope they will read the record of this debate and what I have said because,...
Lord Waddington | 714 c850-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on Monday, in the other place, the Minister said that it was the settled will of the elect...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 714 c851-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I oppose the amendment. As the Minister said, this is the fourth time that we have discuss...
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