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Prevention and Suppression of Terrorism

Legislative debate on Thursday, 9 July 2009, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Hanson of Flint. The answering member was David Ruffley.
Draft Terrorism Act 2006 (Disapplication of Section 25) Order 2009. Debate on a motion to approve. Agreed to on division (239 votes to 59). [Relevant document: The Eighteenth Report from the Joint Committee on Human Rights, Counter-Terrorism Policy and Human Rights (Fifteenth Report): Annual Renewal of 28 Days 2009, HC 726.]

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

495 c1157-81 

Session

2008-09

Department

Home Office

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Related items

Terrorism Act 2006 (Disapplication of Section 25) Order 2009
Monday, 18 May 2009
Statutory instruments
House of Lords
House of Commons
Counter-terrorism policy and human rights (fifteenth report): annual renewal of 28 days 2009. Human Rights Joint Select Committee eighteenth report with formal minutes and evidence.
Tuesday, 23 June 2009
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Chris Huhne | 495 c1179 (Link to this contribution) Before the Minister gets to his peroration, I hope that he will deal with the point about the flexib...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1179 (Link to this contribution) The House may recall that this point was mentioned during my initial contribution. We have made a ju...

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Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1179 (Link to this contribution) I would like to finish the point that I am trying to make in response to my hon. Friend the Member f...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1179 (Link to this contribution) Again, it is a self-evident truth that trials should not be prejudiced by statements to the media. I...
Andrew Dismore | 495 c1178-9 (Link to this contribution) Again, my right hon. Friend has referred to assessments of the impact on communities, and I welcome ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1178 (Link to this contribution) I will give way in a moment, but I am trying to answer the questions my right hon. Friend asked abou...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1178 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend anticipates my peroration on these matters—I hope it will be made with boyish c...
Keith Vaz | 495 c1178 (Link to this contribution) It seems that the Minister is coming to that—excellent.
Keith Vaz | 495 c1178 (Link to this contribution) At the risk of incurring the wrath of my hon. Friend the Member for Leeds, East, may I ask whether t...
Chris Huhne | 495 c1171 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted that the hon. Lady is getting so worked up. I merely remind her that in both Australi...
Andrew Dismore | 495 c1168-9 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. Friend for that good suggestion. Last year, the Government undertook to condu...
Keith Vaz | 495 c1168 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a powerful speech. Bearing in mind what the Minister said from the Dispatch...
Dari Taylor | 495 c1171 (Link to this contribution) I am just about at explosion point. I am really very sorry to say this to the House, but when the ho...
Chris Huhne | 495 c1169-71 (Link to this contribution) I am always very pleased to follow the hon. Member for Hendon (Mr. Dismore), who made a number of go...
David Winnick | 495 c1166 (Link to this contribution) As I have indicated, I am not in favour of reducing the period of 28 days at this stage. Should we n...
Andrew Dismore | 495 c1166 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has made his point. I would simply say that my Committee did not endorse the proposal...
Andrew Dismore | 495 c1166-8 (Link to this contribution) I was referring to the inspection by Her Majesty's Crown Prosecution Service inspectorate. The Gover...
Andrew Dismore | 495 c1165-6 (Link to this contribution) I should like to speak to the tagged report from the Joint Committee on Human Rights. The Select Com...
David Ruffley | 495 c1164-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman's comments. The order must be kept under review. If the evidenc...
David Winnick | 495 c1164 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the hon. Gentleman and the House for having to leave, once the Minister has finished ...
David Ruffley | 495 c1164 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my hon. Friend. I hope that that goes some way towards answering the question ...
Patrick Mercer | 495 c1164 (Link to this contribution) May I answer the question asked by the hon. Member for Stockton, South (Ms Taylor)? I have certainly...
David Ruffley | 495 c1163 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady makes a fair point. Colleagues have already said that draconian measures, which are no...
Dari Taylor | 495 c1163 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is generous in giving way. The subject is difficult and detailed and we all need ...
Chris Huhne | 495 c1163 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a compelling case for treating the provisions as temporary. Why, theref...
David Ruffley | 495 c1163 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman's comments. Our position is that we will, on balance, give the ...
Keith Vaz | 495 c1163 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a careful and measured case in support of the order. He participated in...
David Ruffley | 495 c1163 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman anticipates my next point. I was about to say that the Government, in publi...
Chris Huhne | 495 c1178 (Link to this contribution) This is a quick question. Will the Minister set a deadline for the consideration of the admissibilit...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1177-8 (Link to this contribution) The recent House of Lords judgment was mentioned by a number of hon. Members, including not only my ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1178 (Link to this contribution) I have given a clear commitment, not only today but in Home Office questions on Monday, that we will...
Keith Vaz | 495 c1173-5 (Link to this contribution) This was a very quiet and sombre debate until the hon. Member for Eastleigh (Chris Huhne) spoke and ...
Chris Huhne | 495 c1175 (Link to this contribution) We have had a number of commitments from Members over the years on issues to do with this matter—I a...
Keith Vaz | 495 c1175-6 (Link to this contribution) I think it is better to give a firm commitment than to be accused of being St. Augustine, which is o...
Dari Taylor | 495 c1176 (Link to this contribution) Would it not be appropriate for this risk assessment process to include parliamentarians?
Keith Vaz | 495 c1176 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. The Minister should take a leaf out of the book of the Minister for Borders and Immigrat...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1176-7 (Link to this contribution) I have to tell my right hon. Friend the Member for Leicester, East (Keith Vaz) that I was 52 years o...
Andrew Dismore | 495 c1177 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend rightly says that this has always been the Government's argument and that we ha...
Chris Huhne | 495 c1173 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. As I hope the House recognises, the circumstances have changed. I know that the Government ...
David Davis | 495 c1173 (Link to this contribution) He went on to ask:""What do you do, sir?""
Chris Huhne | 495 c1173 (Link to this contribution) I am glad that the right hon. Gentleman has raised the subject of the Heathrow plot. He is absolutel...
David Davis | 495 c1173 (Link to this contribution) I gather than the hon. Gentleman is arguing for 14 days. As he will recall, when we debated the 42-d...
David Davis | 495 c1171 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for intervening when I have only just come into the Chamber, but an even more relevant e...
Chris Huhne | 495 c1171-2 (Link to this contribution) I entirely agree with the right hon. Gentleman. I am delighted that he managed to hotfoot it into th...
David Winnick | 495 c1172 (Link to this contribution) I fear that I shall not be joining the hon. Gentleman in the Lobby. Although I understand all the re...
Chris Huhne | 495 c1172 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has made a good point. The difficulty is that what we were discussing at the time...
David Ruffley | 495 c1172 (Link to this contribution) Can the hon. Gentleman give us the number of cases lying behind those percentages? Percentages can o...
Chris Huhne | 495 c1172 (Link to this contribution) I will happily send the hon. Gentleman a letter, but he knows as well as I do that the number of ter...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1160 (Link to this contribution) I should like to make some progress, but I shall give way finally to my hon. Friend the Member for S...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1160 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman hits the nail on the head. He will know that internment without trial, which was ...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 495 c1160 (Link to this contribution) On the lessons to be learned from Northern Ireland, there is a difference between indefinite detenti...
David Ruffley | 495 c1162-3 (Link to this contribution) When we debated the last such order, the Government were in the midst of attempting to increase the ...
Paul Robert Holmes | 495 c1161 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister. Other democratic countries do not have anything like 28 days' detention withou...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1161-2 (Link to this contribution) We could have adopted, for example, the model used in France, where pre-trial detention can last fou...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1161 (Link to this contribution) I give way for the last time. This is a short debate, and I want Members to be able to have their sa...
Dari Taylor | 495 c1160 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to my right hon. Friend, who has indeed been generous. Will he acknowledge from t...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1160-1 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a passionate case for the use of the power that we currently have. She will kno...
Keith Vaz | 495 c1158 (Link to this contribution) An issue that has been raised in every one of these debates, in all parts of the House, has been the...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1158 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for his intervention, and to my hon. Friend the Member for Hen...
John Baron | 495 c1158 (Link to this contribution) Why is the Minister so intent on ignoring the evidence against long pre-charge detention periods? Ha...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1158-9 (Link to this contribution) There are, self-evidently, different legal systems with different nuances throughout the European Co...
Patrick Mercer | 495 c1159 (Link to this contribution) The Minister mentions the number of individuals who were released during the 27-day period. We have ...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1159 (Link to this contribution) One of my responsibilities as Minister for Policing, Crime and Counter-Terrorism is to look at what ...
Patrick Mercer | 495 c1159 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister, but he has not answered my question. As he knows, I head up the count...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1159 (Link to this contribution) It is difficult for me to comment on individual cases, but the key point is that we have used the po...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1160 (Link to this contribution) I do not carry the number of convictions in my head. I hope that the hon. Gentleman will accept that...
Lembit Opik | 495 c1158 (Link to this contribution) I have heard all this before. In Northern Ireland, we had this debate year after year, and it was pr...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1158 (Link to this contribution) I understand the hon. Gentleman's interest in and affinity with Northern Ireland. He will know that ...
Dari Taylor | 495 c1157 (Link to this contribution) Is my right hon. Friend going to announce to the House how many individuals have been put on pre-cha...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1157-8 (Link to this contribution) I can give my hon. Friend those statistics. She will know that to date 11 individuals have been held...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 495 c1157 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That the draft Terrorism Act 2006 (Disapplication of Section 25) Order 2009, which wa...
Chris Huhne | 495 c1159-60 (Link to this contribution) This is not just a question of reducing the debate to numbers and to how tough one is measured by ho...

Subjects

Crime prevention
Criminal investigation
Detainees
Police
Powers
Terrorism
Security

Legislation

Terrorism Act 2006 (Disapplication of Section 25) Order 2009

Contains statistics

Yes

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