Education and Skills Bill. Lords Committee stage fourth day. Clauses 39 to 56 agreed to, with clauses 44 and 51 agreed to as amended. Amendments to Clause 40 not moved.
Education and Skills Bill
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
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Debate on bills on Thursday, 17 July 2008,
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Education and Skills Bill. Brought from the Commons. (Explanatory notes HL Bill 58-EN published).
Wednesday, 14 May 2008
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Wednesday, 14 May 2008
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 703 c1421-2 (Link to this contribution)
I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate. Obviously, this is recognised in all par...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1421 (Link to this contribution)
Yes—I hesitate slightly because they come into force in 2013 in a practical sense. However, if by ““...
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Lord Adonis | 703 c1420-1 (Link to this contribution)
I give those positive reassurances to the Committee. Amendments Nos. 133, 138, 139, 151, 158 and 159...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 703 c1420 (Link to this contribution)
I support all these amendments. The Convention on the Rights of the Child is crucial here. It makes ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 703 c1420 (Link to this contribution)
My amendments in this group follow closely those of the noble Baroness, Lady Garden. I agree with th...
Lord Elton | 703 c1419-20 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness has raised an issue that I shall raise in another context—when I speak to Amendme...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 703 c1418-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 133:
133: Clause 42, page 23, line 39, at end insert—
““( ) The regulations sh...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1422 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 141:
141: Clause 44, page 24, line 41, leave out ““(5)”” and insert ““(4)””
O...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 703 c1418 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely glad the Minister found his notes on the Rose project because I was much reassured by...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c1423-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely grateful to the Minister for offering to reflect further on this. It would be helpful...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1423 (Link to this contribution)
As I said long ago on the first day of our deliberations in Committee, we are interested in the appr...
Baroness Verma | 703 c1424 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 160:
160: Clause 50, page 28, line 5, leave out ““persons working in either of...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c1422-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 156:
156: Clause 47, page 27, line 15, at end insert—
““( ) No penalty notice ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 703 c1423 (Link to this contribution)
I spoke earlier in Committee in support of learning support contracts and I believe that this is a f...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1404 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill.
Mov...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 703 c1404-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 124:
124: Clause 39, page 22, line 2, at end insert—
““( ) In this section, ““...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c1405-6 (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak specifically to Amendments Nos. 146, 150A and 153. Amendment No. 150A is a new version...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1415-7 (Link to this contribution)
We need to begin by congratulating our team on having performed so splendidly on the river. Some mig...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 703 c1417 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his careful consideration of my amendments. I am most reassured by his answ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 703 c1415 (Link to this contribution)
I was one of the unlucky people who were unable to get to that meeting, but I have heard a lot about...
Lord Elton | 703 c1415 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness has said everything that I would have said.
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 703 c1415 (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister replies, the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp, mentioned the noble Baroness, Lady Walm...
Lord Dearing | 703 c1415 (Link to this contribution)
I warmly support the amendments of the noble Baroness, Lady Perry. I am one of those who attended th...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 703 c1413 (Link to this contribution)
I strongly support my noble friend Lady Perry in her amendment and I should like to speak to the ame...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c1413-5 (Link to this contribution)
I support the noble Baroness, Lady Perry, on her thoroughly worthwhile Amendment No. 128. We also he...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c1417-8 (Link to this contribution)
In response to my amendment, the Minister rightly said that careers advice for this particular group...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1418 (Link to this contribution)
I stress to the noble Baroness as I did when we last debated this issue that the quality standards f...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 703 c1410 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, am most grateful to the Minister for his explanation. May I check something? I hope that I h...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1410 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the noble Baroness heard too much. I was careful to say at the end that this follows di...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 703 c1410 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that clarification. That means that I can continue to speak to lawyers to s...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c1410-1 (Link to this contribution)
At the moment, this is a matter for the youth courts, which I assume frequently mete out community p...
Lord Dearing | 703 c1406 (Link to this contribution)
I support the spirit of these amendments. I should also like to raise one further thought—the possib...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1407-10 (Link to this contribution)
Before I address the amendments, I want to return briefly to the issues about the age of the young p...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1411 (Link to this contribution)
That is absolutely the case. They would take those means into account in the way that the noble Baro...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 703 c1411 (Link to this contribution)
In response to the Minister’s response to Amendment No. 124, I now know where my honourable friend N...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 703 c1411-2 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 128:
128: Clause 41, page 23, line 13, at end insert ““, or
( ) in the case of...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1425 (Link to this contribution)
I do not have that information but I will find out and let my noble friend know.
Lord Rowlands | 703 c1425 (Link to this contribution)
Does my noble friend have any idea how many young people aged 16 to 18 are currently employed in bot...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1425 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 161:
161: After Clause 50, insert the following new Clause—
““House of Lords s...
Baroness Verma | 703 c1425 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his response. As I suspected from his amendments, I was right that he would...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1424-5 (Link to this contribution)
In respect of Amendment No. 160, there is some doubt whether as a matter of law Crown employees such...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1427-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 168A:
168A: After Clause 53, insert the following new Clause—
““Corresponding ...
Baroness Verma | 703 c1427 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his answer. He offers the assurance that money raised from the penalties wi...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1426-7 (Link to this contribution)
These amendments would mean that all money received by local authorities as a result of penalty noti...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1430 (Link to this contribution)
I am completely at one with my noble friend Lord Rowlands in valuing the importance and potential be...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c1430 (Link to this contribution)
We on these Benches understand and have a great deal of sympathy with what the noble Lord, Lord Rowl...
Lord Rowlands | 703 c1428-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Amendment No. 232 is linked to the government amendments in this group. First, I draw to the Hous...
Baroness Verma | 703 c1425-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 167:
167: Clause 52, page 29, line 12, leave out from beginning to ““must”” in...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 703 c1426 (Link to this contribution)
We have some queries about these amendments. As a general principle, it is appropriate for the local...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1425 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 163 to 166:
163: Clause 51, page 28, line 30, leave out subsection (3) and i...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c1435 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his response. I take note of what he has said. Will the Minister copy to us...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1433-5 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness, Lady Verma, wishes to probe on the range of advice and guidance to be provided. ...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c1436 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 175A:
175A: Clause 55, page 31, line 13, leave out subsection (2)
The noble B...
Baroness Verma | 703 c1435-6 (Link to this contribution)
I also thank the Minister for his response, to which I listened carefully. However, I remain unconvi...
Lord Elton | 703 c1437 (Link to this contribution)
I also cannot resist rising to the bait of the noble Baroness’s perplexity at this subsection. Havin...
Baroness Verma | 703 c1436-7 (Link to this contribution)
We have a great deal of sympathy with the intentions of the noble Baroness, Lady Sharp. The amendmen...
Baroness Verma | 703 c1430-1 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 169:
169: Clause 54, page 30, line 9, leave out ““services”” and insert ““info...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c1431-2 (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak to Amendments Nos. 171, 174 and 175 in this group. Amendment No. 171 picks up the poin...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 703 c1432 (Link to this contribution)
I want briefly to express my support for these amendments, and I have added my name to Amendment No....
Lord Dearing | 703 c1432-3 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that the Minister will be able to give a positive response to the thrust of these amendments....
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 703 c1443 (Link to this contribution)
I very much support what the noble Earl, Lord Elton, said, and the way in which he set it out. There...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 703 c1442 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my noble friend Lord Elton for shining a spotlight directly on this issue. Noble Lords will ...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c1442-3 (Link to this contribution)
Other noble Lords will know that I have spoken on this issue on many occasions. I have a great deal ...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c1439-40 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister. I was satisfied with his explanation, but I take on board what the no...
Lord Elton | 703 c1440-2 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 176B:
176B: After Clause 55, insert the following new Clause—
““Assessment for...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1439 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that it does, or else we would not have the clause before us. If I was not sufficiently cl...
Lord Lucas | 703 c1439 (Link to this contribution)
That runs things one way, but the clause seems to run them the other way. Those things set out in Cl...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1439 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that there need be that confusion. The functions on which the Secretary of State may ...
Lord Lucas | 703 c1438-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am still a little puzzled about how the provision will work. The Minister said that the direction ...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1437-8 (Link to this contribution)
I agree that it is not immediately apparent on reading it what Clause 55(2) is seeking to achieve bu...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1445-7 (Link to this contribution)
The inclusion development programme is voluntary. However, we are introducing new units into initial...
Lord Elton | 703 c1447-8 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to all who have taken part in this debate, particularly the Minister, who has aga...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1448 (Link to this contribution)
I should say in parentheses that the Prime Minister is Gordon Brown. George Brown very much wanted t...
Lord Dearing | 703 c1444 (Link to this contribution)
We all feel strongly about this big issue in education. I am grateful to the noble Lord for raising ...
Lord Elton | 703 c1445 (Link to this contribution)
Is the provision to which the Minister has referred embodied in a mandatory module or is it voluntar...
Lord Adonis | 703 c1444-5 (Link to this contribution)
The provision of resources in this area has significantly increased in recent years. Planned local a...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 703 c1444 (Link to this contribution)
It is enormously reassuring to know both that the noble Baroness’s school has appointed such a local...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c1443 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness might like to know that I have been designated the special educational needs gove...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 703 c1448 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move that the House do now resume.
Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
Lord Elton | 703 c1421 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that the noble Lord will give me a reassuring answer. As there are so many regulations in ...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 703 c1410 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the Minister for his clarification and assurances. It is useful to have these ...
Lord Lucas | 703 c1427 (Link to this contribution)
The difficulty with the parking regulations is that, although the same strictures on local authoriti...
Lord Elton | 703 c1448 (Link to this contribution)
My biggest comeuppance in politics was when I was standing in Loughborough and, thinking I had done ...
Lord Lucas | 703 c1444 (Link to this contribution)
Is not one of the great lessons from West Dunbartonshire and other experiences that doing such asses...
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