Climate Change Bill (HL). Lords report stage second day. Amendment 51A agreed to on division (194 votes to 143). Amendment 64 negatived on division (169 votes to 52). Amendment 65 agreed to on division (191 votes to 141 - as reported by the Tellers. The Clerks recorded 190 names for the Contents). Part 1 of 2 records.
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Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c1005 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is hard to explain. I am isolating a group of Members of this House who seem to be flag...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c1004-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I believe that the Liberal Democrats have made the error of pursuing the agenda that was p...
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Lord Clinton-Davis | 699 c1004 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I entirely agree with my noble friend. This amendment is somewhat illusory. We cannot poss...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 699 c1003-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment is not about the future of aviation, but whether an attempt should be made i...
Lord Brabazon of Tara | 699 c1002 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if the amendment is agreed to, I shall not be able to call Amendment No. 65.
Lord Dixon-Smith | 699 c1002-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hesitate to intervene, but we need to think carefully about what the noble Lord, Lord Te...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 699 c1002 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Australia has changed dramatically in the past few days, with the election of the new Labo...
Lord Teverson | 699 c1002 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, like the noble Lord, I welcome the change in attitude of the Australian Government. I welc...
Lord Teverson | 699 c1000-1 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 64:
64: Clause 12, page 7, line 1, leave out ““aviation or from international ...
Lord Rooker | 699 c1007-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I realise that we will cover some similar material when we come to debate the next group o...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1007 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if it will be of some comfort to the Liberal Democrats, we, too, believe that the emission...
Lord Rooker | 699 c1010 (Link to this contribution)
I think the answer to the noble Lord is yes. I saw the report of the work to which he has referred a...
Lord May of Oxford | 699 c1010 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the reason we focused both in the Joint Committee and here today on aviation rather than o...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 699 c1006 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way, because I wanted to respond to that point....
Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c1006 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the distinction between the position taken by the noble Baroness and myself and, perhaps, ...
Lord Redesdale | 699 c1005 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is the noble Lord saying that we should not debate this in Parliament or raise these issue...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c1005 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is not that the issues should not be debated; of course they should be debated. But we ...
Lord Turnbull | 699 c1018-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the arguments against inclusion seem to confuse two completely different issues. The first...
Baroness Byford | 699 c1018 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to my noble friend for moving the amendment. As I am following on from ...
Earl of Selborne | 699 c1017-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the question is whether the amendments make it harder to negotiate the international agree...
Lord Teverson | 699 c1011 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for going through this again. We have had an excellent debate, but I ...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c1011 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does the noble Lord accept that operations abroad would benefit if unilateral action were ...
Lord Greenway | 699 c1010-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I reinforce what the Minister said about shipping. The International Maritime Organisation...
Lord Teverson | 699 c1016-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we on these Benches think that the amendment is not as good as it could be. We should be m...
Lord Greenway | 699 c1017 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Taylor, said ““if shipping becomes heavily regulated””; I can assure ...
Lord Teverson | 699 c1011-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that question shows the misunderstanding of the amendment. It is about measurement. If we ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1014-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 65:
65: Clause 12, page 7, line 1, leave out ““aviation or from international ...
Bishop of Liverpool | 699 c983 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Northover. I declare an interest as a ...
Lord Rooker | 699 c982 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the Bill be now further considered on Report.
Moved accordingly, and, ...
Baroness Northover | 699 c982-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 47:
47: Clause 10, page 6, line 12, at end insert ““, particularly with respec...
Lord Rooker | 699 c984 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for bringing back this issue, but I draw the attention...
Lord Redesdale | 699 c983-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment. I suspect that the Minister will not accept it, but...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 699 c989 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord May, has expressed a very important view. This is probably one of the...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c989 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendment for the reasons that I set out in some detail in Committee. I am n...
Lord Clinton-Davis | 699 c988 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord who opened the debate and the noble Lord, Lord Redesdale, failed to underst...
Lord May of Oxford | 699 c988-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I declare an interest as a member of the Committee on Climate Change and I hasten to add t...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c985-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 51A:
51A: Clause 11, page 6, line 17, leave out ““Secretary of State”” and ins...
Lord Redesdale | 699 c987-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in speaking to these amendments to which my name is added, I strongly support the noble Lo...
Baroness Northover | 699 c985 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank noble Lords for their comments and the Minister for his reply. This issue above al...
Lord Rooker | 699 c985 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 49 and 50:
49: After Clause 10, insert the following new Clause—
““Duty to p...
Earl of Caithness | 699 c990 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I supported this amendment in Committee, and it was also one of the issues to which the Jo...
Lord Tugendhat | 699 c990 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, support my noble friend. If the Prime Minister is not responsible for this task, i...
Lord Whitty | 699 c990 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have some sympathy with what has been said. We have to look at how we can achieve a cohe...
Lord Dearing | 699 c991 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the suggestion of the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, that if the Government are not mi...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 699 c991 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in no way do I resile from the amendment moved by my noble friend or from the observations...
Baroness Northover | 699 c991 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I point out that there is a precedent for this. It is in the Regulation of Investigatory P...
Baroness Byford | 699 c991-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not wish to disagree with my noble friend Lord Brooke, but I support the amendment. I...
Lord Rooker | 699 c992 (Link to this contribution)
I have got to do my best. I want to disabuse noble Lords. I do not have the answer in front of me bu...
Lord Rooker | 699 c993 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am making a genuine point. What counts is the substance of the Bill and the operation of...
Lord Rooker | 699 c994-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the answer may be yes, but I am doing my best to make sure that it is not carried in this ...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 699 c994 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is not the measure of the value of an amendment moved in this House whether, if it were to...
Lord Rooker | 699 c994 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, all those issues apply to current legislation and are nothing to do with climate change. S...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 699 c993-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that is what the noble Lord, Lord Davies of Oldham, said last time. I am sure that it is t...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c999 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 55A:
55A: Clause 11, page 6, line 24, leave out ““Secretary of State”” and ins...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c999-1000 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 57:
57: Clause 12, page 6, line 27, after ““Parliament”” insert ““and propose ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c996-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister and all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. I assure him that...
Lord Rooker | 699 c999 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 53 and 54:
53: Clause 11, page 6, line 20, at end insert—
““( ) The report m...
Lord Rooker | 699 c1000 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord. I can cut to the quick here. Following debates that we ha...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1000 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for his response, in the light of which I beg leave to withdraw the...
Lord Rooker | 699 c1023 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I feel as though I need to say this because the noble Lord has obviously cut the ground fr...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1023-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree with the Minister. It would be far more desirable when we come to the second eleme...
Lord Rooker | 699 c1026 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 67 and 68:
67: Clause 12, page 7, line 8, leave out ““budgetary period in wh...
Lord Rooker | 699 c1027 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 69A:
69A: Clause 12, page 7, line 12, at end insert—
““(7A) It must state—
(a)...
Earl of Liverpool | 699 c1019 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there seems to be a wide measure of consensus in favour of this measure and of moving gent...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 699 c1019-20 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as I understand the amendment, in substance it has two elements to it. One is that it refr...
Lord Rooker | 699 c1020-2 (Link to this contribution)
This has been a useful debate. As has been said, there are two amendments here which would make key ...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1022-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response. He has left me feeling that, if only I had time, I...
Lord May of Oxford | 699 c1019 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Turnbull, has just said much more gracefully and forcefully what I wo...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 699 c1029 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned.
Moved accordingly, a...
Lord Rooker | 699 c1029 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 70:
70: Clause 12, page 7, line 13, leave out subsection (8)
On Question, ame...
Lord Rooker | 699 c1028-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for the support for the amendment. To answer the specific questions, the gov...
Lord Teverson | 699 c1028 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we on these Benches also welcome the amendment in general terms, and I would make many sim...
Earl of Selborne | 699 c1006-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there is only one acid test as to whether or not the amendment is appropriate: is it going...
Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 699 c1027-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment adds welcome precision to the annual reporting mechanism. It places a duty ...
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