UK Borders Bill. Lords third reading debate. Bill passed and returned to the Commons with amendments.
UK Borders Bill
Debate on bills on Tuesday, 23 October 2007,
in the House of Lords,
led by Lord Bassam of Brighton.
The answering
member was Baroness Hanham.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
Reference
695 c982-1012Session
2006-07Legislative stage
Third readingChamber / Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Boyd of Duncansby | 695 c1009-10 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, can the Minister clarify a matter regarding Clause 2? Am I right in thinking that the purp...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c1009 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the clause to which the noble Duke refers, if I am following him correctly, deals with wha...
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Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 695 c1010-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not know what other noble Lords think but to my mind the Minister’s replies have to s...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c1010 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble and learned Lord is absolutely right on both points.
Lord Avebury | 695 c1011 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I briefly make two points. I have given prior notice of them and am advised that they are ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c1011 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill do now pass.
Moved, That the Bill do now pass.—(Lord Bassam ...
Lord Hylton | 695 c1012 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, will he accept that the complaint is not so much about di...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c1011-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry if there is a feeling in the House that the Bill has suffered in any way as a r...
Lord Hylton | 695 c984 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, written reasons are just about always desirable when a decision is taken that has a strong...
Lord Avebury | 695 c982-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 1:
1: Clause 16, page 10, line 32, after ““condition”” insert ““, for which he...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 695 c1003-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 6:
6: Clause 60, page 32, line 2, leave out ““1 to 4,””
The noble Baroness sa...
Duke of Montrose | 695 c1004-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support my noble friend Lady Carnegy of Lour. On Report—again, on 9 October, at col. 161...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c1006-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as ever, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Carnegy of Lour, for her very subtle an...
Duke of Montrose | 695 c1007 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if an immigration officer wishes to detain somebody, how does that become a criminal justi...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c1005-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my name is added to this amendment, in support of my noble friend. At this stage it would ...
Lord Avebury | 695 c1006 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is the third time that we have dealt with this matter. The noble Baroness has really ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c1002-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am going to take the responses to this amendment as a compliment. I have been accused of...
Lord Sentamu | 695 c1002 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have missed out on quite a number of the goings-on in here, but I am surprised that the ...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 695 c1001-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sure the Minister must think that today is his birthday, with everyone applauding his...
Bishop of Winchester | 695 c1001 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, am grateful that the Minister has brought forward this pair of amendments; I accep...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c1003 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 5:
5: Clause 21, page 13, line 31, at end insert ““, and
(b) take appropriate ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c998-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not necessarily agree with the noble Lord. In most cases it will be acceptable. I und...
Lord Avebury | 695 c999 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is the Minister asking the BIA to consider any old evidence that the applicant may submit ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c1000 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 4:
4: Clause 21, page 13, line 31, after ““shall”” insert ““—
(a) ””
The nobl...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c1000 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for listening to us on this issue. In an area as sensitive as the one...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 695 c997 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in what language will we be communicating with these applicants who might have made mistak...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c996 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, my Lords, that is what I am saying. The Government believe that the points-based system will pr...
Bishop of Winchester | 695 c997 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that point, among many, seems critical. Can it really be that the noble Lord does not have...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c997 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is fair to say that assistance is given to applicants so that they can comply with the ...
Lord Avebury | 695 c998 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the new subsection states clearly that new evidence can be considered only if it, "““is ad...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c997-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the reason for having a points-based system is to ensure that there is greater transparenc...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c995-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords who contributed to the debate and to the noble Baroness for h...
Lord Avebury | 695 c996 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is the vital point. If the applicant had previously submitted a document that contain...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c995 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I made it clear at Report that I had a great deal of sympathy for the amendment of the nob...
Lord Sentamu | 695 c995 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, most of the cases that come to my notice, where people request that I write to the Ministe...
Lord Avebury | 695 c993-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 3:
3: Clause 19, page 12, line 23, at end insert—
““(aa) was submitted no late...
Lord Hylton | 695 c993 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all those who have either spoken in support of my amendment or commented on it. My...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c993 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Medical Foundation’s services are available to asylum seekers, and are very valuable. ...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 695 c993 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, may I press the Minister a little further about ensuring compliance and about the audits t...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c993 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that may well be the case. That may be an avenue that we seek to use. It is certainly one ...
Lord Avebury | 695 c992 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is it ultimately a task for the chief inspector, to be appointed by the BIA?
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c992 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not sure whether I did give the noble Baroness a response. The auditing process shoul...
Bishop of Winchester | 695 c990 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that reading of Article 17 underlines a matter that we have discussed during earlier stage...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c990-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Hylton, for tabling an amendment on this issue. He has been i...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c992 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I asked a second question, which was about how the Home Office itself monitors compliance ...
Lord Avebury | 695 c987-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very glad that the noble Lord, Lord Hylton, has returned to the subject of the detent...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 695 c987 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support my noble friend in his striving to improve standards for those seeking asylum. S...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 695 c989-90 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Hylton. I do not see any grounds whatever for objecting to ...
Baroness Hanham | 695 c989 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we cannot let the efforts of the noble Lord, Lord Hylton, to get vulnerable people conside...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c984-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords who contributed to this short debate. I will set out our thin...
Bishop of Winchester | 695 c984 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful, as I have been throughout the Bill’s passage, to both noble Lords who have ...
Lord Hylton | 695 c986-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 2:
2: After Clause 16, insert the following new Clause—
““Detention of vulnera...
Lord Avebury | 695 c986 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord has gone some way towards satisfying us on this by saying that the Governme...
Duke of Montrose | 695 c1008 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may follow up what the noble Lord has been saying and try to get some clarificat...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c1007 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it may well be that the person whom they are seeking to detain has effected a criminal off...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 695 c1007-8 (Link to this contribution)
That is the point, my Lords; there may be many reasons for a detention. I would quite like to procee...
Baroness Carnegy of Lour | 695 c1007 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt the Minister again. He said that it may be that the person who is ...
Lord Avebury | 695 c1000-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are also grateful to the Minister for one of only a handful of concessions that have be...
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