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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 16 July 2007, in the House of Lords.
Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Lords Committe stage fourth day. Clauses 106 to 120 agreed to; clause 117 agreed to as amended. Part 2 of 2 records.

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Reference

694 c89-124 

Session

2006-07

Department

Department for Communities and Local Government
Committee of the Whole House (HL)

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Related items

Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 74-EN also published.
Wednesday, 23 May 2007
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Smith of Leigh | 694 c104 (Link to this contribution) In speaking to Amendment No. 212 in this group, I am also concerned that many local partners which p...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c103 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209CC: 209CC: Clause 108, page 69, line 34, leave out sub- paragraph (ii) The...

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Lord Greaves | 694 c102-3 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the Minister for looking at this matter quite so seriously, as it is important...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c102 (Link to this contribution) I hope to give the noble Lord reassurance on both sets of amendments. As regards Amendments Nos. 209...
Lord Greaves | 694 c100-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209CB: 209CB: Clause 108, page 69, line 33, after ““being”” insert— ““( ) the ...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c98-100 (Link to this contribution) This debate on the notion of partnership, especially as it concerns the voluntary sector, very much ...
Lord Tyler | 694 c97-8 (Link to this contribution) I support the points that my noble friend Lord Greaves has just made but from the perspective of a d...
Lord Greaves | 694 c97 (Link to this contribution) I have one amendment in this group, which is Amendment No. 209CAC. This group is about the bodies th...
Lord Smith of Leigh | 694 c96-7 (Link to this contribution) I have Amendment No. 210 in this group. I am grateful for the comments of my noble friend earlier on...
Lord Greaves | 694 c123-4 (Link to this contribution) That was a more disappointing answer than the last one that I got on diversity, but I will read Hans...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 694 c124 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c120 (Link to this contribution) It would wake some people up if I did not do so. I realise that the current climate change Bill will...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c119-20 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 212RB: 212RB: Clause 116, page 73, line 29, at end insert— ““(4) In determinin...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c122-3 (Link to this contribution) As noble Lords will know by now, we are trying to drive coherence across an area, and that coherence...
Lord Greaves | 694 c122 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 214ZA: 214ZA: Clause 118, page 75, line 10, at end insert— ““( ) If a responsi...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c121-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 214: 214: Clause 117, page 75, line 7, at end insert— ““( ) After section 9 in...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c118 (Link to this contribution) The targets will reflect priorities. Of course nobody will be for worklessness; the issue is how you...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c118 (Link to this contribution) I reiterate that these arrangements give added purpose and focus to local politics because the local...
Lord Greaves | 694 c118-9 (Link to this contribution) It does not feel very much like that in local government at the moment. It is right to say that thin...
Lord Greaves | 694 c115 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 212ZA: 212ZA: Clause 110, page 70, line 20, at end insert ““but, where such a ...
Lord Greaves | 694 c116 (Link to this contribution) I am always happy to be optimistic but it does not always work out like that. If the Minister thinks...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c115-6 (Link to this contribution) It is unlikely that there would be a conflict. It is rather counterproductive to have a conflict in ...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c117-8 (Link to this contribution) I am very happy to join the noble Lord in his gesture of defiance; I am passionately in favour of lo...
Lord Greaves | 694 c117 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 212ZB: 212ZB: Clause 110, page 70, line 20, at end insert— ““( ) Nothing in th...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c118 (Link to this contribution) As for the social targets that will be negotiated, it is hard to think of a political party that wou...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 694 c118 (Link to this contribution) Could the noble Baroness say what would be the position of the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, or someone ...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c113 (Link to this contribution) We are talking about two processes. When the targets are negotiated with the local authority by the ...
Lord Greaves | 694 c113 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful for that response. It explained how discussion and negotiation will work between ...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c113 (Link to this contribution) That is my understanding. It is the person or organisation charged with delivery.
Baroness Andrews | 694 c113 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that the noble Lord has or that I quite understand the point. The idea of a negotiated...
Lord Greaves | 694 c113 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful for that. The Minister seems to think that national indicators will be set to giv...
Lord Greaves | 694 c114 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 211B: 211B: Clause 109, page 70, line 14, at end insert— ““(4) A decision by t...
Baroness Hanham | 694 c113-4 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her usual—I was going to say ““urbane””, but I mean ““competent””—reply to ...
Lord Greaves | 694 c115 (Link to this contribution) I shall give the Minister six and a half out of 10 for that, which is probably a pass. Guidance is b...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c114-5 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has raised an important point. For the new statutory LAAs to work, there is no doubt ...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c108 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful for the opportunity to write.
Lord Smith of Leigh | 694 c108 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c108 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that. The provision does refer to, "““such representatives of local government (in...
Lord Smith of Leigh | 694 c108 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 211: 211: Clause 109, page 70, line 6, at beginning insert ““where, in additio...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c107-8 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I can reassure the noble Baroness, because I think that she has possibly misread Clause ...
Lord Greaves | 694 c112 (Link to this contribution) I think that the noble Baroness has answered a question that I was going to ask later—so I will not ...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c109-12 (Link to this contribution) This is an important group of amendments because it focuses on the role of the Secretary of State an...
Lord Greaves | 694 c109 (Link to this contribution) I have two amendments in the group. Amendment No. 212CA is on a different issue altogether and I sha...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 694 c109 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 212BA, which is tabled in my name, is a little gem among this large group of amendment...
Baroness Hanham | 694 c108-9 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 211A: 211A: Clause 109, page 70, line 6, at end insert ““only in respect of na...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c104-5 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness and the noble Lord for raising these issues. On Amendment No. 20...
Lord Smith of Leigh | 694 c105 (Link to this contribution) The difficulty may be that there will be confusion and differences between the local targets that th...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c105 (Link to this contribution) I think that that can be achieved through Clause 115, which states that the responsible local author...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c105 (Link to this contribution) The Minister tells us that we will get a great deal from the guidance. I reiterate the plea made ear...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c105 (Link to this contribution) It was a common-sense plea that we need to see a draft if we are to make sense of some of the points...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c106-7 (Link to this contribution) My admiration for Essex knows no bounds. It is at the leading edge of practically every new initiati...
Lord Hanningfield | 694 c105-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209D: 209D: Clause 108, page 69, line 34, at end insert ““; and ( ) the compre...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c107 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 210B: 210B: Clause 108, page 69, line 40, leave out ““(including representativ...
Lord Hanningfield | 694 c107 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that response. My understanding is that the Audit Commission could be ready...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 694 c96 (Link to this contribution) My Amendment No. 209CAA would do exactly what the noble Baroness has just outlined. It also gives th...
Lord Geddes | 694 c96 (Link to this contribution) I could have saved myself the breath. [Amendment No. 209BA not moved.]
Baroness Hanham | 694 c96 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209C: 209C: Clause 108, page 69, line 25, after ““authority;”” insert— ““( ) o...
Baroness Hanham | 694 c95-6 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. We need the figure 35 somewhere in writing. If the Minister say...
Lord Geddes | 694 c96 (Link to this contribution) If Amendment No. 209ZBA is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment No. 209BA due to pre-emption. [Amendm...
Baroness Hanham | 694 c93-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209A: 209A: Clause 107, page 69, line 2, at end insert— ““(1A) In this Chapter...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c93 (Link to this contribution) One has to be common-sensical about this. The voluntary sector will contract with the local authorit...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c93 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that we will return to this because that raises again the question of the Secretary of Sta...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c93 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to hear that. No doubt there would be implications because the voluntary sector is funded ...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c93 (Link to this contribution) That is obviously the right way to go about the work. My concern is the implications of this Bill. A...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c93 (Link to this contribution) We cannot put a duty on the voluntary sector. The aim is simply to get it to sign up, to commit and ...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c91 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209ZB: 209ZB: Clause 107, page 69, line 1, leave out paragraph (c) The noble ...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c91-2 (Link to this contribution) I shall certainly try to help the noble Baroness. Clause 107(1)(c) is drafted very broadly because i...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c92-3 (Link to this contribution) The third sector could be involved in formulating a target as a contributor—I am thinking on my feet...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 694 c89-90 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 209ZA: 209ZA: Clause 106, page 68, line 35, after ““it”” insert ““and in doing...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c90 (Link to this contribution) The direction of the noble Baroness’s amendment has taken me slightly by surprise. The Government si...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 694 c90-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness. I raised the amendment precisely to make the point about incorp...
Baroness Hanham | 694 c100 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that reply. Earlier we discussed the impact on residents of registered soci...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c120 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is absolutely right to say that this is an important matter, and it is rather nic...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c94-5 (Link to this contribution) The amendment raises an important question. I shall demonstrate the distinction between designated t...
Baroness Andrews | 694 c120-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 213: 213: Clause 117, page 74, line 14, after ““England””;”” insert— ““( ) in ...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c122 (Link to this contribution) The other amendment in this group stands in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Scott. It would...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c113 (Link to this contribution) I have a question after listening to that exchange. I would like to understand some of the terminolo...
Baroness Hamwee | 694 c92 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I will do that. We will come to some of this later, but I question whether the third sector, as...

Subjects

Administration
Health services
EU law
District councils
Local government
Wales
Social services
Local strategic partnerships
European Charter of Local Self-Government
Local area agreements

Legislation

Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill 2006-07

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