Consumers Estate Agents and Redress Bill (HL). Report stage. New clause 1 debated and negatived on division (126 to 242). New clause 2 negatived on division (27 to 240). Third reading debate. Agreed to on question and Bill passed with amendments.
Consumers, Estate Agents and Redress Bill [Lords]
Debate on bills on Thursday, 5 July 2007,
in the House of Commons,
led by Stephen Timms.
The answering
member was Geoffrey Clifton-Brown.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
Reference
462 c1125-63Session
2006-07Chamber / Committee
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Consumers Estate Agents and Redress Bill (HL). As amended in Public Bill Committee.
Tuesday, 24 April 2007
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Tuesday, 24 April 2007
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Kramer | 462 c1161-2 (Link to this contribution)
I shall close by asking the Minister to ensure that the Bill’s implementation is closely monitored. ...
Speaker | 462 c1161 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I remind the hon. Lady that we are debating what is in the Bill, rather than what has been om...
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Baroness Kramer | 462 c1158-60 (Link to this contribution)
We very much support the concept behind the Bill. The debates on it have been a fascinating exercise...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1154-8 (Link to this contribution)
It is universally agreed in the House that what we want to see in the United Kingdom is the best con...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1160 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to interrupt the hon. Lady’s constructive contribution, but does she agree that, as the a...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1152 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for giving way, especially as he was in full flow. On Report, I asked ...
Tom Clarke | 462 c1153-4 (Link to this contribution)
I had the pleasure of serving on the Public Bill Committee, which did a very good job. I welcome my ...
Stephen Timms | 462 c1152-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to do so, and I apologise for omitting to do so when I replied in the earlier debate. The...
Stephen Timms | 462 c1163 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to give both hon. Members the assurance that we will do so, and to reaffirm that the new ...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1163 (Link to this contribution)
Towards the end of her speech, the hon. Member for Richmond Park raised an important point. We all k...
Stephen Timms | 462 c1162-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for that intervention. He was rather unfairly chided by the ho...
Tom Clarke | 462 c1162 (Link to this contribution)
I am extremely grateful for my right hon. Friend’s kind remarks. In response to the hon. Member for ...
Stephen Timms | 462 c1146 (Link to this contribution)
It is for technical reasons. Part 9 of the Enterprise Act cannot merely be applied here. Part 9 work...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1137 (Link to this contribution)
It looks as though the Government are not acceding to my new clause. I therefore ask to put it to th...
Stephen Timms | 462 c1143 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 1, page 12, line 38, at end insert—
Speaker | 462 c1137 (Link to this contribution)
I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the Aye Lobby.
The House having divided: Aye...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1144 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 8, page 16, line 43, leave out subsection (4).
The CBI has significant...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1143 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for accepting the principle that my hon. Friend the Member for Hertford and Sto...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1146 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for giving way. This is a technical matter, as he says, and the official Opposi...
Stephen Timms | 462 c1144-6 (Link to this contribution)
The amendment would remove a necessary provision and I will therefore resist it. It is necessary for...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1137 (Link to this contribution)
The debate has raised two major difficulties with the scheme proposed by the hon. Member for Richmon...
Speaker | 462 c1149 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss Government amendment No. 3.
Stephen Timms | 462 c1149 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 2, page 27, line 10, at end insert—
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 462 c1149 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for his comments. I am somewhat reassured, particularly following his ...
Stephen Timms | 462 c1148-9 (Link to this contribution)
I listened to the hon. Lady’s case with interest, but the procedures that a regulator needs to follo...
Stephen Timms | 462 c1151-2 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.
Having come to the Bill rather late in its...
Stephen Timms | 462 c1151 (Link to this contribution)
The amendments are an example of forward thinking, rather than of the absence of forward thinking. W...
Stephen Timms | 462 c1149-50 (Link to this contribution)
These amendments relate to clauses 44 and 47, and the new redress and complaint-handling provisions ...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 462 c1146-8 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move amendment No. 9, page 26, line 33, at end insert—
‘(10) When making regulations under...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1146 (Link to this contribution)
I am not entirely satisfied with the Minister’s explanation, but this is a highly technical matter. ...
Speaker | 462 c1125 (Link to this contribution)
With this it will be convenient to discuss new clause 2—Standards of competence—
‘(1) Section 22 of...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1125 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1125-7 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome the Minister to his new post. We had a brief word earlier; he has previously covered many ...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1127-8 (Link to this contribution)
Ah—my hon. Friend, who is now an Opposition Whip, has pointed out that he, too, is a chartered surve...
Speaker | 462 c1128 (Link to this contribution)
No, we are debating both new clauses, so the hon. Gentleman may speak to both now.
Stephen Timms | 462 c1135 (Link to this contribution)
Let me turn to new clause 2; I have not yet started to address the points made by the hon. Member fo...
Baroness Kramer | 462 c1136 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister clarify what may have been my misreading of the Bill? Does it say anywhere in the ...
Stephen Timms | 462 c1135-6 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Lady does not have in mind an industry body for the performance of that role, which body...
Baroness Kramer | 462 c1136 (Link to this contribution)
A few moments ago, the Minister said he thought it would be unwise for a company to practise without...
Stephen Timms | 462 c1136-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am comfortable that the market will be able to work effectively in the framework we are implementi...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1129-30 (Link to this contribution)
That is a reasonable point, and I partly agree and partly disagree with the hon. Lady. She made my c...
Baroness Burt of Solihull | 462 c1129 (Link to this contribution)
Before the hon. Gentleman leaves this issue, does he agree that someone who intentionally sets out t...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1128-9 (Link to this contribution)
I have great regard for the right hon. Gentleman, and the clarity with which he made his interventio...
Tom Clarke | 462 c1128 (Link to this contribution)
As the hon. Gentleman knows, I have a high regard for him and it is in that spirit that I wish to pu...
Stephen Timms | 462 c1132-4 (Link to this contribution)
I begin by expressing thanks to the hon. Member for Cotswold (Mr. Clifton-Brown) for his words of we...
Baroness Kramer | 462 c1132 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the right hon. Member. If he remembers, there were many points at issue that day and we were...
Tom Clarke | 462 c1132 (Link to this contribution)
If I may say so, I think that the hon. Lady made an excellent contribution to the Committee, but I a...
Baroness Kramer | 462 c1130-2 (Link to this contribution)
I also welcome the Minister to his new job. This debate is my farewell song on these matters, before...
Stephen Timms | 462 c1134 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is welcome to write to me. As I say, officials are drawing up the terms of refere...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1134-5 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister is dealing with the matter in a reasonable way, and much of what he said I expected him...
Ben Wallace | 462 c1134 (Link to this contribution)
In Committee, the Minister’s predecessor alluded to the property review. It is not clear whether the...
Stephen Timms | 462 c1162 (Link to this contribution)
With the leave of the House, I welcome the brief debate that we have had. I am grateful to my right ...
Stephen Timms | 462 c1137 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman speaks from extensive experience and I am happy to draw attention to his expertis...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1150-1 (Link to this contribution)
As the Minister said, this is a new amendment that addresses clause 44, which was also amended in Co...
Baroness Kramer | 462 c1160-1 (Link to this contribution)
I can only agree with the hon. Gentleman. That was our position, but his Front-Bench colleagues stuc...
Geoffrey Clifton-Brown | 462 c1128 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you for that guidance, Mr. Deputy Speaker. The hon. Member for Solihull (Lorely Burt) worked v...
Baroness Kramer | 462 c1135 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister will know from reading the new clause that it includes no mention of that organisation....
Stephen Timms | 462 c1136 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady knows the answer. No, she did not miss it. There is no mandatory requirement in the Bi...
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