Childcare Bill. Lords Committee stage third day. Grand Committee off the floor of the House (Moses room). Clauses 12-111 agreed to. Schedules 1-3 agreed to. Bill reported without amendment.
Childcare Bill
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2005-06Legislative stage
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House of Lords Grand CommitteeRelated items
Childcare Bill. Brought from Commons. Explanatory notes HL Bill 85-EN also published
Thursday, 9 March 2006
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Thursday, 9 March 2006
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Adonis | 681 c342-3GC (Link to this contribution)
These amendments probe the issue of exemptions and modifications. Amendments Nos. 76 and 78 would re...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 681 c332-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I wish to speak to my Amendments Nos. 67 and 68. I have more sympathy with the noble Baroness, Lady ...
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Baroness Crawley | 681 c347-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank Members of the Committee for this short but very useful debate. As stated in the letter to t...
Lord Adonis | 681 c344GC (Link to this contribution)
I will consider the point the noble Baroness has made and come back to her.
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c343-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his reply. I hope the exemption in Clause 46(1) will not be used as an excu...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c344GC (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful.
Earl of Listowel | 681 c318-9GC (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Baroness replies, may I say how warmly I welcome this debate. I was delighted when ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 681 c313-5GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 57:"Page 10, leave out lines 31 to 35 and insert—"
““(1) For the purposes of t...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c300-1GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 52:"Page 8, line 9, at end insert—"
““( ) An English local authority must ensu...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 681 c309GC (Link to this contribution)
I assume that the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, is raising this matter at this point in the Bill in ...
Lord Adonis | 681 c335-40GC (Link to this contribution)
This has been a very interesting and important debate. At an earlier stage in our proceedings the no...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c342GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the amendments just spoken to by the noble Baroness, Lady Morris. I will speak to my Amend...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 681 c334GC (Link to this contribution)
I apologise for not being here earlier; there is altogether too much going on in this place. At a pr...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 681 c346-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I have added my name to the noble Baroness’s amendment because I think that this is a very important...
Earl of Listowel | 681 c347GC (Link to this contribution)
This debate is important; it emphasises the lack of childcare expertise in this country, something t...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c348-50GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank all those who have taken part in the debate, and thank the Minister for her reply. On the re...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 681 c344GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his full reply. I understand what the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, says a...
Lord Adonis | 681 c315-8GC (Link to this contribution)
These amendments reflect concerns about formalisation of early years and a well-founded desire, for ...
Lord Northbourne | 681 c313GC (Link to this contribution)
I am confident that they will think that, so we shall have to differ in that regard. The Grandparent...
Lord Northbourne | 681 c313GC (Link to this contribution)
Will the noble Lord ask his officials to consider rewording the Bill? In terms of the impact on gran...
Lord Adonis | 681 c331GC (Link to this contribution)
It depends on the animal.
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 681 c330-1GC (Link to this contribution)
I rise to leap a group and move on to Amendments Nos. 65A and 67A in my name and that of the noble B...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c327GC (Link to this contribution)
Now I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
[Amendment No. 64 not m...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c326-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for her reply and the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, for making several good points...
Earl of Listowel | 681 c325-6GC (Link to this contribution)
Following on from the meeting yesterday with the inspector responsible for early years inspections, ...
Earl of Listowel | 681 c299-300GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank my noble friend Lady Howarth for that helpful response to my question. I suppose that one mi...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 681 c300GC (Link to this contribution)
I am really sorry to delay the Committee again but, having had the lecture from my dear noble friend...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 681 c299GC (Link to this contribution)
I apologise if my body language was unfortunate. It is simply that childcare across Europe is not co...
Earl of Listowel | 681 c298GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his reply. I hear what he says, particularly about disruptions for children...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c298-9GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for his comments on my amendments and to other noble Lords who have sp...
Baroness Crawley | 681 c289-90GC (Link to this contribution)
I can respond on the noble Lord’s first point by saying that a financial impact assessment has been ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 681 c290GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for her full answer, and for her assurance that the Government back the princip...
Lord Northbourne | 681 c313GC (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the Minister. As he appreciated, this is only a probing amendment and it was c...
Lord Adonis | 681 c313GC (Link to this contribution)
One needs to be clear what ““provide financial support”” means. If it means providing financial supp...
Lord Northbourne | 681 c312GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may correct the Minister. Relatives are not capable of providing childcare because the Bil...
Lord Adonis | 681 c312-3GC (Link to this contribution)
With respect, they are capable of providing childcare; they are simply unable to be registered for t...
Lord Northbourne | 681 c309GC (Link to this contribution)
I suppose that to regularise this debate, we should all have declared an interest as grandparents.
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c305-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his very full response to my amendments. He talked about significant funds ...
Lord Northbourne | 681 c306-8GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 56:"Page 10, line 2, leave out paragraph (c)."
The noble Lord said: This amendm...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 681 c308GC (Link to this contribution)
I have added my name to this probing amendment from the noble Lord, Lord Northbourne, because I felt...
Lord Adonis | 681 c302-4GC (Link to this contribution)
I should make clear to the Committee that we are thoroughly in favour of accreditation. The issue is...
Baroness Crawley | 681 c288GC (Link to this contribution)
In the sense that local authorities must have regard to the regulations and guidance that come under...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c288-9GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may respond to my Amendment No. 50 before the noble Baroness, Lady Morris of Bolton, decid...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 681 c285-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I strongly support the amendment moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Morris. I am sure the Minister wi...
Lord Northbourne | 681 c288GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may intervene with a question for the noble Baroness. What happens if the services are not...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 681 c340GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his reply. This is a good-natured Committee, but the Minister has said that...
Earl of Listowel | 681 c335GC (Link to this contribution)
I have great sympathy for the concerns expressed in this debate about the use of the word ““taught””...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 681 c341-2GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 75:"Page 23, line 12, at end insert—"
““and the reason for any such disapplica...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c334-5GC (Link to this contribution)
Before the Minister responds, I wonder whether the informality of proceedings in Grand Committee wil...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 681 c321-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I understand the concerns of the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, that have led to this clutch of amen...
Baroness Crawley | 681 c322-5GC (Link to this contribution)
We have had a short but important debate on the requirements to register. I am afraid that I will ha...
Earl of Listowel | 681 c327GC (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Baroness withdraws her amendment, it is important to bring out another piece of inf...
Viscount Simon | 681 c327GC (Link to this contribution)
In Clause 39, Amendment No. 65ZA, there has been an error in the printing. It should refer to ““line...
Baroness Crawley | 681 c300GC (Link to this contribution)
As the Whip, I must say that we are slightly unravelling. I know that Grand Committee is an informal...
Earl of Listowel | 681 c293-4GC (Link to this contribution)
In speaking to the amendment standing in my name, Amendment No. 73A, I echo what has been said previ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 681 c292-3GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the principle behind the amendments. As the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley explained, they ...
Lord Adonis | 681 c294-8GC (Link to this contribution)
This has been a very useful debate on the important issue of the quality of training and qualificati...
Baroness Crawley | 681 c289GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may make one or two points about the funding concerns raised by the noble Baroness, Lady W...
Lord Northbourne | 681 c289GC (Link to this contribution)
On the point raised by my noble friend, have the Government done any research on what the resource r...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c290-2GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 51:"Page 7, line 26, after ““and”” insert ““accredited””"
The noble Baroness sa...
Lord Adonis | 681 c313GC (Link to this contribution)
I should make it clear that the definition of ““childcare”” in Clause 18 is for the purposes of the ...
Lord Adonis | 681 c309-12GC (Link to this contribution)
I am still finding the burdens of parenthood quite demanding enough.
All Members of the Committee r...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 681 c308-9GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I may add a word about the role of grandparents. We will be opening a can of worms if we go ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 681 c305GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his full reply. I congratulate him on his stamina in being responsible for ...
Lord Northbourne | 681 c288GC (Link to this contribution)
On a further point of clarification, is the noble Baroness saying that there is a legal obligation f...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c284-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, for her support for my amendment, Amendment No. 50. I am al...
Baroness Crawley | 681 c286-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for this opportunity to explain to the Grand Committee the thinking behind Clause 12.
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Baroness Walmsley | 681 c340-1GC (Link to this contribution)
I, too, thank the Minister for his response, and all noble Lords who have taken part in this very in...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c344-6GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 79:"Page 24, line 13, at end insert—"
““( ) Persons carrying out inspections o...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c320-1GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 63:"Page 16, line 23, at end insert—"
““( ) Subsection (3) shall not apply in ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 681 c319-20GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his detailed reply. I shall read it in Hansard and I particularly look forw...
Lord Adonis | 681 c313GC (Link to this contribution)
I absolutely assure the noble Lord that that is not the purpose of the Bill. I am reasonably confide...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 681 c332GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, on Amendments Nos. 65A and 67A. I will be brief but I thi...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 681 c331-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I think an animal could teach that better than a human, but there you are. I do not think you can te...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c327-30GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 65ZA:"Page 19, line 38, leave out paragraph (b) and insert—"
““(b) include w...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 681 c301-2GC (Link to this contribution)
These amendments focus on the serious point of safeguarding children and the awareness that those wh...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c300GC (Link to this contribution)
Very briefly, before I withdraw the amendment, perhaps what the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, is trying...
Lord Adonis | 681 c299GC (Link to this contribution)
I will write to the noble Baroness, but I have nothing to add to what I said.
Earl of Listowel | 681 c299GC (Link to this contribution)
I do apologise for interrupting, but I saw my noble friend Lady Howarth shaking her head during some...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 681 c313GC (Link to this contribution)
Are local authorities allowed to provide financial support? The Minister mentioned a lot of support ...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 681 c309GC (Link to this contribution)
I add a word following on what the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, said about love. Of course, she is...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c309GC (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether the noble Lord will be able to reassure us that kinship carers will be given the he...
Baroness Walmsley | 681 c304GC (Link to this contribution)
I merely mentioned what it seeks to do.
Lord Adonis | 681 c304-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall respond now to the issues affecting Wales. The intention of that amendment, as we understand...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 681 c283-4GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 49:"Page 6, line 40, at end insert ““and specialist childcare in the neighbourin...
Earl of Listowel | 681 c285GC (Link to this contribution)
I support what the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, said and wish to quote from the Government’s own d...
Baroness Crawley | 681 c288GC (Link to this contribution)
Within the regulations and guidance there will be a clear and transparent line of complaint that par...
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