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Identity Cards Bill

Debate on bills on Thursday, 16 March 2006, in the House of Commons.
Identity Cards Bill. Lords reasons for insisting on amendments and disagreeing to Commons amendments, considered. Motion that Commons insists on its disagreement with the Lords in the their amendments 16 and 22 and proposes Government amendments (a) and (b) in lieu thereof agreed to on division (292 to 241).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

443 c1641-63 

Session

2005-06

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Lords amendments and Commons amendments

Procedure

Lords reasons

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Related items

Identity Cards Bill. Lords reasons for insisting on certain Lords Amendments and disagreeing to a Commons Amendment in lieu (vote)
Wednesday, 15 March 2006
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

George Howarth | 443 c1657-8 (Link to this contribution) I see that the right hon. Gentleman nods, so that is part of his argument. But he is urging us to ag...
George Howarth | 443 c1657 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not give way to my hon. Friend. There is very little time left and if I give way someone ...

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George Howarth | 443 c1657 (Link to this contribution) For the very obvious reason that, as far as I understand it, they were moving over to biometric-base...
Jeremy Corbyn | 443 c1657 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Lord Garnier | 443 c1657 (Link to this contribution) If the passport system is voluntary and the link between the passport and the giving of information ...
George Howarth | 443 c1657 (Link to this contribution) I will give way in a minute if the hon. and learned Gentleman will allow me to finish the point that...
Jeremy Corbyn | 443 c1657 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Tony Baldry | 443 c1659 (Link to this contribution) What the Lords amendments do, and what Opposition Members want to do, is very simple: we want it to ...
Chris Bryant | 443 c1659 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Tony Baldry | 443 c1659 (Link to this contribution) No. As the House of Lords Select Committee on the Constitution said,"““we continue to believe that ...
Laura Moffatt | 443 c1659-60 (Link to this contribution) I suspect that many of my constituents—I do not choose to speak on behalf of other hon. Member’s con...
David Davis | 443 c1658 (Link to this contribution) I was not going to make this point, but, since the hon. Gentleman appeared to accuse me of misleadin...
George Howarth | 443 c1658 (Link to this contribution) I did not actually accuse the right hon. Gentleman of misleading the House; I accused him of sophist...
Tony Baldry | 443 c1658-9 (Link to this contribution) : The right hon. Member for Knowsley, North and Sefton, East (Mr. Howarth) knows jolly well and full...
Peter Bone | 443 c1659 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that what the Lords amendments actually do is to bring the Bill in line wi...
George Howarth | 443 c1658 (Link to this contribution) Let me finish this point and I will give way to the right hon. Gentleman. It would in fact be in bre...
George Howarth | 443 c1656-7 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Member for Haltemprice and Howden (David Davis) concluded several points in his speec...
Lord Garnier | 443 c1657 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Stewart Hosie | 443 c1656 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Nick Clegg | 443 c1656 (Link to this contribution) I should like to make some progress since time is short. Ramming through illiberal legislation to n...
Nick Clegg | 443 c1655 (Link to this contribution) The simple facts are that the Government say that ID cards will be introduced voluntarily, yet the 8...
David Davis | 443 c1653-4 (Link to this contribution) No. The Government believe that unless they force a majority of the population to have an ID card b...
Mark Fisher | 443 c1654 (Link to this contribution) The debate and the disagreement between the other place and our House turn on whether the scheme is ...
Baroness Hoey | 443 c1654-5 (Link to this contribution) I agree with my hon. Friend’s line of thought. Does he agree that many of our constituents, who were...
Mark Fisher | 443 c1655 (Link to this contribution) As always, my hon. Friend makes good sense. She goes to the essence of the matter. This is not a pro...
Nick Clegg | 443 c1656 (Link to this contribution) The point is, why should the Government be so keen through compulsion to roll out an untested, uncos...
Chris Bryant | 443 c1656 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman refers to the anniversary of Dunblane. Last Saturday was the second anniversary o...
Nick Clegg | 443 c1656 (Link to this contribution) The key point is the distortion of the English language: saying that the ID card will be introduced ...
Martin Linton | 443 c1656 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has not answered what I may call the Rhondda paradox. If he regards the passport ...
Nick Clegg | 443 c1655-6 (Link to this contribution) I stand corrected. The House must forgive me. As an Alice in Wonderland allusion was used earlier, I...
Simon Hughes | 443 c1652 (Link to this contribution) Is not the answer to the hon. Member for Rhondda (Chris Bryant) that until today we have never requi...
Speaker | 443 c1652 (Link to this contribution) Order. Visual aids are strongly discouraged, not least because the reporters of the Official Report ...
Andy Burnham | 443 c1652 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
David Davis | 443 c1652 (Link to this contribution) Certainly not. The Under-Secretary, who sits and heckles, gets it all wrong, and will not take part ...
Simon Hughes | 443 c1652-3 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Member for Haltemprice and Howden (David Davis) accept that we have never requir...
David Davis | 443 c1653 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right. It is one of the distinctions of our country that we are not required t...
Andy Burnham | 443 c1653 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Laura Moffatt | 443 c1653 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
David Davis | 443 c1653 (Link to this contribution) I want to come to a close on this. If an ID card were really valuable to the citizen as the Home Se...
Kali Mountford | 443 c1653 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
David Davis | 443 c1653 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not. The hon. Gentleman had his chance, and he has missed it.
David Davis | 443 c1650 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right in all except one respect. This doctrine is not entirely novel; it first saw...
Desmond Swayne | 443 c1650 (Link to this contribution) When I was mobilised to serve in Iraq, which was not a voluntary process, I was required to produce ...
David Davis | 443 c1650 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes his point perfectly. He was heckled from a sedentary position by a Labour Membe...
Chris Bryant | 443 c1650 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
David Davis | 443 c1650-1 (Link to this contribution) No, I shall not. I must make some progress. I may give way to the hon. Gentleman in a moment, but I ...
John Redwood | 443 c1651 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is making a powerful case, as always. Could he speculate on why so few peers su...
David Davis | 443 c1651 (Link to this contribution) Of course they think that the Government have a lousy case. As I said before, there is opposition to...
Chris Bryant | 443 c1652 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman because he said ““No””, then ““Yes””, then ““Maybe””, but ...
David Davis | 443 c1652 (Link to this contribution) There is no paradox; however, the point is interesting because I did not say what the hon. Gentleman...
Chris Bryant | 443 c1652 (Link to this contribution) I am deeply grateful to the right hon. Gentleman. He said earlier that he thought it was a gross inf...
David Davis | 443 c1649 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that.
David Heath | 443 c1649 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman giving way. He is making a very important point, but I want to a...
David Davis | 443 c1649 (Link to this contribution) The answer to that question is clearly no. The hon. Lady will be aware, as I am, that at least one H...
Anne Snelgrove | 443 c1649 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Gentleman for giving way, but either he has cloth ears or he has problems wit...
David Davis | 443 c1649 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary says that foreign travel is not compulsory. Oh, yes it is: I am afraid that peopl...
David Davis | 443 c1650 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is right, and I suspect that the Home Secretary designed his speech today to try to d...
John Bercow | 443 c1650 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way. He will have noted, as the House will have don...
Tony Baldry | 443 c1649-50 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way. It is disgraceful for the Government to try to...
David Davis | 443 c1648 (Link to this contribution) I will in a moment, the hon. Lady need not worry. To do that, the right hon. Gentleman is forced to ...
Anne Snelgrove | 443 c1648 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
David Davis | 443 c1648 (Link to this contribution) Yes: the Home Secretary said that a majority of peers—Cross Benchers, Liberal, Labour and Conservati...
Anne Snelgrove | 443 c1648 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
David Davis | 443 c1648 (Link to this contribution) I will in a moment, as I have referred to the hon. Lady. I did not know that Labour Members were so ...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1647 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is right about the Liberal Democrat arithmetic. The situation is very simple. I...
David Davis | 443 c1647-8 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary wants to represent the process in which we are engaged today as a clash between t...
David Davis | 443 c1648-9 (Link to this contribution) We’ll come back to that in a minute. I am getting heckled by the Under-Secretary of State for the Ho...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1647 (Link to this contribution) That is completely right. The effect of the Lords amendment would be precisely as my hon. Friend say...
Steve McCabe | 443 c1646 (Link to this contribution) Such a scheme would not only impose additional costs, which is an issue that clearly exercised the h...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1646 (Link to this contribution) That is entirely wrong. We discussed this issue earlier this week and we will continue to do so.
Lord Garnier | 443 c1645-6 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the Home Secretary for giving way because it enables me to prevent him from ca...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1645 (Link to this contribution) That is also the intention of the hon. and learned Member for Harborough (Mr. Garnier), who will now...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1646 (Link to this contribution) In a moment. My fourth point is that the Lords amendments would impose an additional burden and cost...
Simon Hughes | 443 c1646 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary give way on that point?
Charles Clarke | 443 c1646 (Link to this contribution) I shall not give way any more at this stage. I return to what Lord Strathclyde said in the other pl...
Simon Hughes | 443 c1646 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary give way?
Simon Hughes | 443 c1647 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary referred to our exchange on Monday. If Lord Strathclyde is right to say that the ...
Martin Linton | 443 c1645 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend confirm that name, date and place of birth, address and nationality are th...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1645 (Link to this contribution) I shall deal with that point in a moment, but the basic fact is that the biometric data being collec...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1645 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is entirely right and I completely accept his main point. This is not, as Lord Strath...
Kali Mountford | 443 c1644 (Link to this contribution) Does the Home Secretary recall that when the Chief Secretary to the Treasury was a Home Office Minis...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1644 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is completely wrong, but I regard it as characteristic for the Liberal Democrats ...
Anne Snelgrove | 443 c1644-5 (Link to this contribution) As my right hon. Friend knows, I was vice-chair of the Labour party’s national policy forum in the r...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1644 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is entirely correct. Documents published in 2002 and 2003, documents and debates publ...
John Redwood | 443 c1645 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for South Swindon (Anne Snelgrove) has let the cat out of the bag—the manifesto clea...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1645 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful for my hon. Friend’s contribution. She played a major part in developing the poli...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1641-2 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That this House insists on its disagreement with the Lords in their amendments Nos. 1...
Tony Baldry | 443 c1642 (Link to this contribution) Surely the point is that it was not put to the people who were polled that the system would be compu...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1642 (Link to this contribution) We have already agreed, in response to proposals from the other place, that before the stage was rea...
Tobias Ellwood | 443 c1642 (Link to this contribution) May I add to the effective point made by my hon. Friend the Member for Banbury (Tony Baldry)? There ...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1643 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman may have made my point for me. We have debated costs with the House of Lords, and...
William Cash | 443 c1643 (Link to this contribution) Would the Home Secretary continue to take the line that he is taking in the context of what the Info...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1643 (Link to this contribution) I have not spoken to the Information Commissioner recently but, as I have said, there has been consi...
Andrew Love | 443 c1643 (Link to this contribution) Is my right hon. Friend at all concerned about the apparent drift away from the high levels of suppo...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1643 (Link to this contribution) I accept the first point, but not the second. Because of the debate about these issues and because t...
David Heath | 443 c1643 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary give way?
Charles Clarke | 443 c1643-4 (Link to this contribution) No, I will not; I want to deal first with Lord Strathclyde’s third point. He said that the House of ...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1644 (Link to this contribution) I will complete the quotation:"““More generally, the second chamber should be cautious about challen...
Charles Clarke | 443 c1644 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way one or two times.
David Heath | 443 c1644 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful to the Home Secretary for giving way; we are familiar with his semantic acrobatic...
George Howarth | 443 c1657 (Link to this contribution) No. I have said that I will give way in a moment. The fact that some people do choose to go abroad ...
David Davis | 443 c1649 (Link to this contribution) I see that he does not want to intervene. Does the Home Secretary think that foreign travel is volun...

Subjects

Applications
Legislative process
Identity cards
Documents
National identity register
Passports
Registration
Salisbury convention

Legislation

Identity Cards Bill 2005-06

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