Council Tax (New Valuation Lists for England) Bill. Lords Committee stage. Grand Committee off the floor of the House (Moses room). Clauses 1 and 2 agreed to. Bill reported without amendment.
Council Tax (New Valuation Lists for England) Bill
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Council Tax (New Valuation Lists for England) Bill. Brought from Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 51-EN also published
Monday, 5 December 2005
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Monday, 5 December 2005
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 678 c316GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield, on this amendment. It is quite extraordinary that this ...
Baroness Andrews | 678 c296-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I apologise for not having been here for Second Reading and thank Members of the Committee for their...
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Baroness Hanham | 678 c307-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I, too, think that it was worth having the debate. The tenor of the amendment is clear: to ensure th...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c315GC (Link to this contribution)
I hope that the noble Baroness and the noble Lord discussed this matter beforehand so that she could...
Baroness Hanham | 678 c315GC (Link to this contribution)
Will the noble Lord give way? It may stand alone but my noble friend Lord Hanningfield explained ver...
Lord Hanningfield | 678 c313GC (Link to this contribution)
The Bill is rather teasing us; on the basis that the legislation will go through, we are saying that...
Baroness Andrews | 678 c316-7GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness concluded on an interesting point—the one which divides us. The amendment is unne...
Lord Hanningfield | 678 c318GC (Link to this contribution)
We are talking about the future of local government in a way. This is not just a taxation matter. I ...
Lord Smith of Leigh | 678 c302GC (Link to this contribution)
Could my noble friend confirm that when we get beyond the Lyons report and the need radically to rev...
Lord Hanningfield | 678 c300GC (Link to this contribution)
Why was that not done before? In the last piece of legislation, a date was named, which was obviousl...
Baroness Hanham | 678 c300GC (Link to this contribution)
Can the Minister confirm what David Miliband said in the other place: that, with the postponement of...
Lord Hanningfield | 678 c298-9GC (Link to this contribution)
Can I intervene briefly? I say straightaway that the Conservative Party is not against the council t...
Baroness Hanham | 678 c296GC (Link to this contribution)
Further to the noble Baroness’s question, will any work be done on the revaluation while no valuatio...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 678 c308-9GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 4:"Page 1, line 8, at end insert—"
““(1B) The Secretary of State shall decid...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c309-11GC (Link to this contribution)
This amendment has been debated twice before in another place so it has the benefit of being consist...
Baroness Hanham | 678 c307GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for her reply. I accept that the amendment may not have been absolutely perfect...
Baroness Andrews | 678 c305-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her clear explanation, which is the one that she thought she...
Lord Hanningfield | 678 c302-3GC (Link to this contribution)
What has just been said is part of the proposal that I put forward. If you look at what other countr...
Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale | 678 c295GC (Link to this contribution)
I begin with the following statement: if there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, th...
Lord Hanningfield | 678 c295-6GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 3:"Page 1, line 5, leave out subsection (2)."
The noble Lord said: Subsection (...
Baroness Andrews | 678 c318GC (Link to this contribution)
Yes, it is running parallel.
Baroness Andrews | 678 c319-20GC (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely. We have said that we will bring together our discussions on a wide-ranging set of issues...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c314-5GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord should not be quite so hasty. I was going to say a word or two about that. We are com...
Baroness Andrews | 678 c318GC (Link to this contribution)
Large numbers of people are engaged in a debate throughout local government at the moment, not least...
Lord Hanningfield | 678 c316GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 6:"Page 1, line 17, at end insert—"
““( ) In subsection (11), for ““the Ho...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 678 c318GC (Link to this contribution)
I do not know whether I am having a dense moment, but I am finding this difficult to understand. It ...
Baroness Hanham | 678 c317-8GC (Link to this contribution)
Could the Minister answer a hypothetical question? The reason for postponing the revaluation is the ...
Baroness Andrews | 678 c299-300GC (Link to this contribution)
I am very pleased to have that contribution from the noble Lord as it will help me when we come to t...
Baroness Andrews | 678 c304-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her clear explanation, which is the one that we thought she ...
Baroness Ramsay of Cartvale | 678 c296GC (Link to this contribution)
If Amendment No. 3 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment No. 4.
Lord Hanningfield | 678 c320GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that reply. As we have already said, we feel strongly about this part of th...
Lord Hanningfield | 678 c312GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 5:"Page 1, line 12, leave out subsection (4)."
The noble Lord said: This amendm...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 678 c311-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I would like to thank the noble Lord for that reply, but I do not feel that I can. He has concentrat...
Lord Hanningfield | 678 c314GC (Link to this contribution)
I particularly raised the question of Wales, but the noble Lord has not talked about that at all. I ...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c313-4GC (Link to this contribution)
The principles behind our approach may well be the same, but I do not think we should see Wales as a...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 678 c313GC (Link to this contribution)
The amendment leaves me more confused about the Opposition’s real intentions with regard to revaluat...
Baroness Hanham | 678 c318GC (Link to this contribution)
But consultation is taking place and what I call the Miliband review on the future of local governme...
Lord Hanningfield | 678 c315-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I do not know whether I thank the Minister for his answer as I do not think he responded to my point...
Baroness Andrews | 678 c318GC (Link to this contribution)
I will try to reassure noble Lords opposite. The general point was made by the noble Baroness, Lady ...
Baroness Andrews | 678 c300-2GC (Link to this contribution)
It is important that I make myself clear. Because of the timetable of revaluation—the way in which d...
Baroness Andrews | 678 c300GC (Link to this contribution)
We think it very unlikely that there will be a revaluation in the lifetime of this Parliament.
A sp...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 678 c296GC (Link to this contribution)
Much of what I wish to say on my amendment could also be said under this one, but I shall not say it...
Baroness Andrews | 678 c307GC (Link to this contribution)
It was an extremely useful exercise for us to work through both the original amendment and this one,...
Baroness Hanham | 678 c303-4GC (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. *3A:"Page 1, line 6, leave out from ““compiled”” to end of line 8 and insert ““o...
Baroness Andrews | 678 c302GC (Link to this contribution)
I recognise the experience that my noble friend brings to this debate and the reality of what he has...
Baroness Hanham | 678 c318GC (Link to this contribution)
In addition to the Sir Michael Lyons review.
Lord Hanningfield | 678 c319GC (Link to this contribution)
I had a letter from David Miliband yesterday asking me to be part of the discussions about the futur...
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