I am so glad that the Minister clarified my fears, since he was speaking about banning orders and other shocking things of which he will no doubt be aware, as I certainly am.
However, can the Minister clarify one point for me? As he pointed out, Amendment No. 163 relates to Clause 46. Amendment No. 163 refers to page 47 of the Bill, which refers to Section 166 of the original Act. I am sure the Minister will be pleased that I have that Act beside me. So we will have to play a game of bingo tonight, looking at the three of them.
Amendment No. 163 says:"““in paragraph (a) . . . insert ‘or otherwise dispose of’””."
First, what does this mean? Secondly, why is it included in the amendment? It is certainly nowhere in the original 1994 Act. I am sure that the Minister will say that ticket touting is a completely separate subject of policing and public order. What I want to know, however, is what on earth ““or otherwise dispose of”” means. Does it preclude a wicked four-letter word beginning with ““g””, as in ““give””? If you find that you cannot go to occupy your seat, and find a young man or friend who is quite happy to do so with no financial transaction or danger, do the words ““or otherwise dispose of”” preclude a gift? Just in case the Minister is worried, I am not sending a Rangers man into the Celtic end; I would not be quite as mad as that at a segregated or, in England, designated match. Will those words preclude giving—for no consideration at all, to somebody who is going to cause no trouble and will be an exemplary spectator and behave—a ticket? Who is going to prove that an offence might have committed?
Will the Minister clarify why, after 12 years, we have ““or otherwise dispose”” in the amendment? I do not find it in the original Act, or any definition of it in the Bill, let alone the amendment. I would be grateful if he could clarify that for me.
Violent Crime Reduction Bill
Proceeding contribution from
Lord Lyell
(Conservative)
in the House of Lords on Monday, 22 May 2006.
It occurred during Committee of the Whole House (HL)
and
Debate on bills on Violent Crime Reduction Bill.
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