Commissioner for Older People (Wales) Bill [HL]

What an impossible task it is to find an age which everyone agrees can be described as ““old”” or ““older””. Look at this House itself! You might say that anybody over 90 could be described as such, as there are so many youthful people of 80, 70 and 60. I suggest that the Minister has got it about right with 60. But then of course there is the matter of the pension age, which is 65; you could suggest that because of the pension crisis, we should go up to 67 for a retirement age. To put it down as a definite age is not the best way in which to go about it, but I liked the suggestion of my neighbour, the noble Lord, Lord Roberts of Conwy, that we have a more pragmatic approach and that the commissioner could move in when required. But the norm, I would suggest, is 60 or possibly even 65.