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Online Safety Bill

Lords committee stage fourth day. Clause 11 under consideration. (Part 1 of 2).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

829 cc1421-1468 

Session

2022-23

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Committee stage

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House of Lords chamber
Online Safety Bill 2021-22 to 2022-23. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 18 January 2023
Bills
House of Lords
Online Safety Bill. Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twenty-eighth report.
Wednesday, 1 March 2023
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Online Safety Bill
Tuesday, 2 May 2023
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2023-0711
Monday, 4 September 2023
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 829 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Russell of Liverpool

23: Clause 11, page 10, line 9, at beginning inser...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 829 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this large group of 33 amendments is concerned with preventing harm to children, by cre...


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Lord Russell of Liverpool | 829 cc1421-4 (Link to this contribution)

My co-sponsors will deal with some of the more detailed elements of the 30 amendments that we are...

Baroness Kidron | 829 cc1424-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow my noble friend Lord Russell and to thank him for his good wishe...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 829 c1425 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is an honour, once again, to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Kidron, and the noble L...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 829 c1425 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend may have left one out.

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 829 cc1425-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid I may well have done.

That list shows your Lordships some of the challenges we ...

Lord Moylan | 829 cc1428-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not going to speak on this group, but I was provoked into offering some reflectio...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 829 c1429 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I respond to the noble Lord in two ways. First, I ask him to reflect on how the parents...

Lord Moylan | 829 c1429 (Link to this contribution)

Well, I must regard myself as doubly rebuked, and unfairly, because my reflections are very relev...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 829 c1429 (Link to this contribution)

If my noble friend could, would he roll back the health and safety regulations for selling toys, ...

Lord Moylan | 829 cc1429-1430 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if the internet were a toy, aimed at children and used only by children, those remarks ...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 829 cc1430-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I assure your Lordships that I rise to speak very briefly. I begin by reassuring my nob...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 cc1431-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want, apart from anything else, to speak in defence of philosophical ruminations. The...

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1433 (Link to this contribution)

I want to answer the point that amendments cannot be seen in isolation. Noble Lords will remember...

Bishop of Gloucester | 829 cc1433-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments in this group that, with regard to safety by design, will addr...

Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie | 829 c1434 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this group of amendments. Last week, I was lucky—that is not necessarily the ...

Viscount Colville of Culross | 829 cc1434-5 (Link to this contribution)

I too wish my noble friend Lady Kidron a happy birthday.

I will speak to Amendment 261. Hav...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 cc1435-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have already had some very significant birthdays during the course of the Bill, and ...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 cc1436-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too agree that this has been a really useful and interesting debate. It has featured ...

Lord Bethell | 829 c1437 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord have any reflections, talking about Snap, as to how the internet has changed ...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 cc1437-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord. In many ways, I am reminded of the article I read in the New Yor...

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1439 (Link to this contribution)

Just to add to what the noble Lord has said, it is worth noting that we had a debate, on Amendmen...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 c1439 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful, as ever, to the noble Baroness, and I hope that has assisted the noble Lord, Lord ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1439 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I join in the chorus of good wishes to the bungee-jumping birthday Baroness, Lady Kidro...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 c1439 (Link to this contribution)

My birthday is in October, so I hope not.

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1440 (Link to this contribution)

Very good—only one each, and hopefully fewer. I thank noble Lords for the points they raised in t...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 c1440 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister accept that that is not exactly what we were saying? We were not saying that th...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1440 (Link to this contribution)

It is part of the philosophical ruminations that we have had, but the point here is that eliminat...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 c1441 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the Minister has in his brief a response to the noble Baroness’s point about Clause 1...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1441 (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to talk a bit about dissemination as well. If the noble Lord will allow me, he can...

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1441 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting. Is that the case, and could that not be dealt with by defining harm...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1441-2 (Link to this contribution)

Taking it out in the way that the amendment suggests throws up that risk. I am sure that it is no...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister assure us that he will take another look at this between Committee and Report? H...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1442-3 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think so, but I will certainly look at it again, and I am very happy to speak to the nob...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 829 c1443 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the Minister’s response, and I accept that there is a parallel stream of work that m...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1443 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot give a firm timescale today but I will seek what further information I can provide in wr...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1443 (Link to this contribution)

Technical possibility is a matter for the sector—

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 c1443 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for engaging in dialogue while I am in a sedentary position, but ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1444-5 (Link to this contribution)

This is the trouble with looking at legislation that is technologically neutral and future-proofe...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 829 c1445 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend the Minister did not address the concern I set out that the Bill’s approach will ...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1445-6 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that it will. We have provided further resource for Ofcom to take on the work that...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 829 cc1446-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response. I think the entire Chamber will be thankful that...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 829 c1448 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Russell of Liverpool

25: Clause 11, page 10, line 13, at end insert—

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 829 cc1448-1450 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry that it is me again—a bit like a worn 78. In moving Amendment 25, I will spe...

Lord Weir of Ballyholme | 829 cc1450-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise on this group of amendments, particularly with reference to Amendments 25, 78, 1...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 829 cc1452-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support these amendments. We are in the process of having a very important debate, bo...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 829 cc1453-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have attached my name to Amendment 25 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Russell, an...

Lord Weir of Ballyholme | 829 c1454 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate what the noble Baroness is saying, but I made a slightly different point. I am sugge...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 829 cc1454-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his clarification, although, speaking not as a lawyer, my understandin...

Lord Harlech | 829 c1455 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have a very full order of business to get through, so I encourage the noble Baroness...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 829 c1455 (Link to this contribution)

I think that is on topic. If 16 and 17 year-olds are voting, they have a right to access internet...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 cc1456-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome many of these amendments. I found reading them slightly more refreshing than ...

Baroness Harding of Winscombe | 829 c1457 (Link to this contribution)

I want to challenge the noble Baroness’s assertion that the Bill is not about children’s rights. ...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 c1457 (Link to this contribution)

The quip works, but political rights are not quips. Political rights have responsibilities, and s...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 829 c1457 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I must point out that 16 and 17 year-olds in Scotland and Wales have the vote. Th...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 829 c1457 (Link to this contribution)

And it has been highly contentious whether the right to vote gives them independence. For example...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 829 c1457 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may intervene briefly, because Scotland and Wales have already been mentioned...

Baroness Healy of Primrose Hill | 829 cc1457-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Russell, to require regula...

Baroness Kidron | 829 cc1458-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support all the amendments in this group, and will make two very brief points. Before...

Baroness Foster of Aghadrumsee | 829 cc1459-1460 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not intend to speak in this debate but I have been inspired by it.

I was he...

Baroness Kidron | 829 c1460 (Link to this contribution)

We need to see the UNCRC included in the Bill. The convention is never opened up again, and how i...

Baroness Foster of Aghadrumsee | 829 c1460 (Link to this contribution)

So it is an interpretive document. The unintended consequences piece was around general comment N...

Lord Clement-Jones | 829 cc1460-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think this may have been a brief interlude of positivity. I am not entirely convinced...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 829 c1461 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we too support the spirit of these amendments very much and pay tribute to the noble Lo...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 cc1461-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will start in the optimistic spirit of the debate we have just had. There are many be...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 829 c1464 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for taking part in this discussion. I thank the noble Lord, Lor...

Lord Weir of Ballyholme | 829 c1464 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely take that point. I was making the slightly wider point—not specifically with regard to...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 829 cc1464-5 (Link to this contribution)

I would simply make the point that it would probably be more accurate to say that the departments...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 829 c1465 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay

27A: Clause 11, page 11, line 19, at end inser...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 829 c1465 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick

29: Clause 11, page 11, line 25, at end inse...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 829 cc1465-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very happy to move Amendment 29 and to speak to Amendments 83 and 103, which are a...

Baroness Benjamin | 829 cc1467-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to speak in support of Amendments 29, 83 and 103 in the name of the noble Barone...

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