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Lords committee stage fifth day. Clauses 48 to 51 agreed to. Schedule 4 agreed to. Clauses 52 to 57 agreed to. New clause agreed to. Clauses 58 to 62 agreed to. Schedule 5 agreed to as amended. Clause 63 agreed to as amended. Clause 64 agreed to. Clause 65 agreed to as amended.

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2022-23

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Schools Bill (HL) 2022-23
Wednesday, 11 May 2022
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Lucas | 823 c240 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lucas

112A: Clause 48, page 42, line 2, at end insert—

“(4) Regul...

Lord Lucas | 823 cc240-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 112A, I shall speak to my other amendments in this group. The focus...


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Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 823 c242 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, is participating remotely, and I invite her to speak now.

Baroness Brinton | 823 cc242-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, for his introduction to Amendment 112A and the many...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 823 c245 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak to Amendments 130 and 139 in my name. I can be pretty brief, given the comprehensiv...

Lord Knight of Weymouth | 823 cc245-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an important group of amendments, very well introduced by the noble Lord, Lord ...

Lord Wei | 823 cc246-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to my Amendment 171X on the proposal for an ombudsman to provide protecti...

Lord Soley | 823 cc248-251 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to come in on Amendment 112A, in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, and say I a...

Lord Shipley | 823 cc251-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 140 but before that I note that the debate has raised a numbe...

Lord Bellingham | 823 c252 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord agree that the word “expediency” seems to display a state of mind and a preju...

Lord Shipley | 823 c252 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the noble Lord that it could well do that. I noted the words of the noble Lord, Lord...

Lord Blackwell | 823 c253 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly in support of Amendment 112A, which relates to a point that I rais...

Baroness Whitaker | 823 cc253-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I may have omitted to declare an interest as chair of the Department for Education stak...

Lord Wei | 823 c254 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will clarify my position. A number of noble Lords have mentioned—and perhaps implied—...

Lord Soley | 823 c255 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I suggest to the noble Lord that if we look at this as a supportive, not punitive, meas...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 823 cc255-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support the tenor of many of the amendments in this group, as explain...

Lord Addington | 823 c256 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall come in briefly on this because I did not put my name to my noble friend’s amen...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 823 cc256-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the principle of the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, tha...

Lord Grocott | 823 cc257-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened to this debate carefully, and it has been extremely sensitively present...

Lord Storey | 823 cc258-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as a vice-president of the Local Government Association.

I ...

Lord Wei | 823 cc259-260 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt again, but the point about Finland is important, because many of us in ed...

Lord Storey | 823 c260 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for that and would, at some point, like to talk to him about Finland. One ...

Lord Davies of Brixton | 823 c260 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I missed the opportunity to speak before the Front-Bench spokesperson got up. The point...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 823 c260 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, I just want to clarify or ask a question. At the moment, we have...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 823 c261 (Link to this contribution)

Sorry, I was just waiting, because every time I have tried to stand up someone has spoken. I am g...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc262-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank you all for your thoughtful contributions. I start by saying that I could not a...

Lord Addington | 823 c263 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Baroness finishes that point, if somebody has special educational needs—we had a...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc263-5 (Link to this contribution)

So, as the noble Lord knows extremely well, is the spectrum of educational needs. I know that one...

Lord Wei | 823 c265 (Link to this contribution)

I think that my amendment might have been missed out. I would be grateful if my noble friend the ...

Baroness Barran | 823 c265 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise. I referred to my noble friend’s amendment right at the beginning of my remarks and r...

Lord Lucas | 823 c265 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to my noble friend for those replies. I shall read them in Hansard a...

Baroness Barran | 823 c265 (Link to this contribution)

I hope my noble friend picked up the point, but if not, I will repeat it: we plan to develop the ...

Lord Lucas | 823 c266 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not trying to hurry my noble friend; I was just saying this is clearly quite impo...

Lord Geddes | 823 c266 (Link to this contribution)

Before calling Amendment 114A, I inform the Committee that the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, will...

Lord Lucas | 823 c266 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lucas

114A: Clause 48, page 42, line 26, leave out from “1(a),” to “day...

Lord Lucas | 823 cc266-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 114A is the first appearance of an amendment that deals with longer time limi...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 823 c268 (Link to this contribution)

I remind the Committee that the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, is taking part remotely. I call the...

Baroness Brinton | 823 cc268-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the comprehensive introduction by the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, to the wide-ranging amend...

Bishop of Blackburn | 823 cc269-270 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly to the amendments in this group, of which Amendments 115, 117 and ...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 823 c270 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of Blackburn, and I absolu...

Lord Addington | 823 cc270-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly to Amendment 129. I put my name to this because I saw it and said,...

Lord Storey | 823 c271 (Link to this contribution)

I was slightly diverted there. I am going to be very brief. I am diverted because—is Amendment 12...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 823 cc271-2 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to repeat much of the good stuff that has been said, but I shall just mention our A...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc272-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I turn to the second group of amendments, starting with Amendment 128A, in the name of ...

Lord Addington | 823 c274 (Link to this contribution)

That was fairly helpful, but we are now overly dependent on the plans; I do not think there is an...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc274-5 (Link to this contribution)

Under the changes proposed in the Bill—if I understood the noble Lord correctly.

I turn to ...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 823 c275 (Link to this contribution)

I have a very quick question before the Minister sits down. She talked about making sure that peo...

Baroness Barran | 823 c275 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know the answer to the noble Baroness’s specific question, but I will get an answer and ...

Lord Lucas | 823 c275 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, yet again, I am very grateful to my noble friend for her replies. I assume that the Gov...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 823 c275 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Garden of Frognal

120: Clause 48, page 42, line 32, leave out “15” ...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 823 c275 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall move Amendment 120 and speak to Amendments 122, 123 and 134 in my name. I can b...

Lord Lucas | 823 c276 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a couple of amendments in this group. My noble friend covered the government arg...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 823 c276 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a technical question and compassion for parents who are often struggling to dea...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc276-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, again, I thank my noble friend Lord Lucas, the noble Baroness, Lady Garden of Frognal, ...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 823 c277 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for her response. I am not sure she entirely agreed with us; still, I ...

Baroness Kennedy of Cradley | 823 cc277-280 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I oppose Clause 48 standing part of the Bill to enable us again to have a full discussi...

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 823 c280 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the Committee that the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, is taking part remotely. ...

Baroness Brinton | 823 cc280-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Kennedy of Cradley, whose introduct...

Lord Storey | 823 c281 (Link to this contribution)

I was not going to speak on this group, but I am now. My noble friend Lady Brinton is right: the ...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 823 cc281-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are respectful of the right of parents to educate their children at home, but we can...

Baroness Penn | 823 cc282-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Kennedy, for giving us the opportunity again to ensure...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 823 c283 (Link to this contribution)

There is quite deep concern about this issue, and I wonder whether the regulations could be made ...

Baroness Penn | 823 cc283-4 (Link to this contribution)

I can absolutely take that point away and see whether it is possible. If that is not the mechanis...

Lord Lucas | 823 c284 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that was a good answer, but I feel my noble friend has not addressed the reasonable fea...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 823 c284 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Garden of Frognal

136: Clause 49, page 47, line 18, after the first...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 823 cc284-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 136 and speak to Amendments 137, 138, 139, 141, 142 and 143 in ...

Baroness Barker | 823 c285 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I now invite the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, to take part remotely.

Baroness Brinton | 823 c285 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have two amendments in this group: Amendment 137D and 143IB. Amendment 137D replicate...

Lord Lucas | 823 cc285-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have some amendments in this group: Amendments 136A and 137A are timing amendments, a...

Baroness Whitaker | 823 c286 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have in Amendment 143G a very simple provision that, on acquittal for breaching a sch...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 823 cc286-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the general thrust of these amendments is to make school attendance order conditions ea...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc287-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lord Lucas, the noble Baronesses, Lady Wilcox, Lady Chapman, Lady Brinton...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 823 c289 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister very much for her full reply. There are still some issues that we ...

Baroness Penn | 823 c290 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this might be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn.

7.35 pm

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 823 c290 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I oppose Clause 49, and the other clauses and the schedule set out in the group, standi...

Baroness Barker | 823 c290 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, is taking part remotely on this group. I therefore in...

Baroness Brinton | 823 cc290-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, has already expressed the worries from home educators a...

Lord Storey | 823 c291 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness, Lady Jones, sort of said “all home educators” and I briefly want to say that ...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 823 c291 (Link to this contribution)

I did not say “all”. I am well aware that there are others, but I did not say “all”.

Lord Storey | 823 c291 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness said “home educators”. The noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, corrected by saying “...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 823 c292 (Link to this contribution)

I am really sorry; the noble Lord is going to have to check this in Hansard. I have my copy and t...

Lord Storey | 823 c292 (Link to this contribution)

Let us agree to differ until we see Hansard.

Lord Storey | 823 c292 (Link to this contribution)

If I am wrong, I am wrong and will apologise, but I make the point quite strongly that a large nu...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 823 cc292-3 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to detain the Committee either, but my ears also pricked up at the question of six ...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc293-4 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak to Clauses 49, 50 and 51 and Schedule 4, which the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, oppo...

Baroness Whitaker | 823 c294 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Whitaker

143J: Clause 53, page 57, line 12, at end insert—

“(...

Baroness Whitaker | 823 cc294-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, although this amendment was scheduled to be in the last group, amendments have been mov...

Baroness Barran | 823 c295 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government understand the importance of schools developing their attendance policie...

Baroness Whitaker | 823 c295 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the Minister’s reassurance and beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 823 c295 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Wilcox of Newport

145: Clause 53, page 57, line 23, at end insert—<...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 823 cc295-6 (Link to this contribution)

Good mental health is fundamental to thriving in life. I knew it from the other side of the track...

Baroness Barker | 823 c297 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, will be taking part remotely in this group. I invite ...

Baroness Brinton | 823 c297 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Wilcox, especially today when the A...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 823 cc298-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly on the issue raised by these amendments. I support the thrust of t...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 823 cc299-301 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to raise some qualms about this set of amendments. For different reasons, I find...

Lord Storey | 823 c301 (Link to this contribution)

For the first time, I agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Fox, in many of the things that she sai...

Baroness Penn | 823 c301 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord can speak to the amendment, but he should not read out the noble Barones...

Lord Storey | 823 cc301-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am learning all the time, after 10 years.

Some 80% of all learning is visual. A child who...

Baroness Penn | 823 cc302-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, taking first Amendment 145, the Government recognise that some pupils, such as those wi...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 823 cc304-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her reply. Picking up on the glasses point raised by my noble friend Lad...

Lord Lucas | 823 c305 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lucas

146A: Clause 56, page 59, line 4, at end insert “or a family”

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Lord Lucas | 823 c305 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, large families are not a school unless they are very large families and fish. I beg to ...

Baroness Meacher | 823 cc305-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to speak to Amendments 147 and 152.

I applaud the Government for including...

Baroness Whitaker | 823 c307 (Link to this contribution)

I should like briefly to add my support to these two very sensible amendments, which would stop u...

Lord Mendelsohn | 823 cc307-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 171C and 171D. I strongly support the amendments from the...

Lord Storey | 823 cc309-310 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak to my own Amendment 149, and also speak to Amendment 152 and 171C. I thank the nobl...

Lord Berkeley of Knighton | 823 cc310-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to embellish a couple of points particularly pertinent to the noble Lord, Lord L...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 823 cc311-2 (Link to this contribution)

The amendment tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Meacher, is a characteristically sensible sugges...

Lord Lexden | 823 cc312-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will comment briefly, following on from the noble Baroness. As usual in education deb...

Baroness Chapman of Darlington | 823 c313 (Link to this contribution)

It has not been dug out of an archive. I expect it to be in our next manifesto, so I expect the n...

Lord Lexden | 823 cc313-4 (Link to this contribution)

I want to give some background, if I may. At the general election of February 1974 the Labour man...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc314-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that was a very interesting and wide-ranging debate on a number of important issues, wh...

Baroness Meacher | 823 c316 (Link to this contribution)

This is not quite the right moment to do this, but I thank the Minister for allowing me to say a ...

Baroness Barran | 823 c316 (Link to this contribution)

I am obviously cautious about speaking on behalf of Ofsted, but we have worked closely with it in...

Lord Storey | 823 c316 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very fair answer but between Committee and Report, will the Minister just make sure tha...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc316-7 (Link to this contribution)

I would be delighted to do that.

I was talking about how institutions might be operating se...

Lord Lucas | 823 c318 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for the answer she gave on my amendment. I had a lot o...

Baroness Barran | 823 cc318-320 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

148: After Clause 57, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Henig | 823 c320 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, is taking part in this debate remotely—at least I hop...

Baroness Brinton | 823 c320 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Brinton

150: Clause 60, page 66, line 4, leave out from beginning t...

Baroness Brinton | 823 cc320-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in Part 4, on independent educational institutions, particularly Clause 60, the detail ...

Lord Lucas | 823 cc321-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it seems delightful that the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, who, with the rest of us, ob...

Baroness Grey-Thompson | 823 c323 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to Amendment 171Z on mandatory reporting. This is an area I am ver...

Baroness Wilcox of Newport | 823 cc323-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments give us another opportunity to talk about the important issue of safeg...

Baroness Penn | 823 c324 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, turning first to Amendment 150, I hope I can clarify for the noble Baroness, Lady Brint...

Earl of Kinnoull | 823 c324 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, is participating remotely, and I invite her to respon...

Baroness Brinton | 823 c325 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too thank Tom Perry and Mandate Now, who have been advocating for mandatory reporting...

Baroness Barran | 823 c325 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

151: Schedule 5, page 103, line 40, leave out ““refusal” sub...

Baroness Barran | 823 c326 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

153: Clause 63, page 74, line 33, at end insert—

“(g) ...

Baroness Barran | 823 c326 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

155: Clause 65, page 78, line 14, at end insert “that is not...

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