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Elections Bill

Lords committee stage fifth day. Amendment 121 (new clause) agreed to. Clauses 10 and 11 agreed to. Schedule 6, as amended, agreed to. (Part 1 of 2).

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2021-22

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Proceeding contributions

Lord True | 820 cc980-1 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

121: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause—

“Addre...

Lord True | 820 c981 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, government Amendment 121 concerns the details about candidates that appear on ballot pa...


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Lord Scriven | 820 c981 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Scriven

121A: After Clause 9, in subsection (2)(a)(i) leave out “or the...

Lord Scriven | 820 c982 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am a little perplexed and confused. Many noble Lords will ask how that is different f...

Lord Khan of Burnley | 820 cc982-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, government Amendment 121 relates to election candidates and the location which they sta...

Lord True | 820 c983 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to those who have spoken, and I will think about the last point made by the noble L...

Lord Scriven | 820 c983 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that response. I am now perplexed but not confused, so at least he has h...

Lord True | 820 cc984-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord True

123: Schedule 6, page 116, line 30, leave out from “to” to end of ...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 820 c985 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayman of Ullock

134: Clause 11, page 12, line 35, at end insert—

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 820 cc986-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a number of amendments in this group. The first two, Amendments 134 and 135, are...

Baroness Fookes | 820 c987 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, is taking part remotely, and I now invite him to speak.

Lord Campbell-Savours | 820 cc988-991 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a particularly difficult issue for me. I strongly support the deletion of Claus...

Lord Kerslake | 820 cc990-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, with his passion and analysis, ...

Lord Grocott | 820 c992 (Link to this contribution)

Can the noble Lord enlighten the House by telling us how many results of mayoral elections would ...

Lord Kerslake | 820 cc992-6 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord had better ask the Minister; I do not have those figures, but I am happy to dig th...

Lord Lipsey | 820 cc996-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I put my name to this stand part debate. When I was in journalism, people used to say o...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 c997 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is on some amendments in this group. As Members of the Committee will know, I a...

Lord Lexden | 820 c997 (Link to this contribution)

Were these official interparty discussions or informal exchanges?

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 cc997-8 (Link to this contribution)

These were exchanges on and off the Floor of the House of Commons.

That would have been a m...

Lord Grocott | 820 c998 (Link to this contribution)

In European elections, for example, if you are top of your party’s list, it is pretty close to be...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 cc998-9 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord and I will have conversations about list systems and non-list systems off the Floo...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 820 c999 (Link to this contribution)

I will allow the noble Lord on my right to speak first.

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 820 cc999-1000 (Link to this contribution)

I know he will interrupt me anyway.

I declare an interest as a vice-president of the Local ...

Lord Grocott | 820 c1000 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, arguing for consensual polit...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 c1001 (Link to this contribution)

I said “at length”. I assure the noble Lord that I can discuss proportional representation at ver...

Lord Grocott | 820 c1001 (Link to this contribution)

I shall certainly follow the injunction not to speak at length, but I cannot resist responding to...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 c1001 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for the invitation. He will remember that this was the first occasion on w...

Lord Grocott | 820 cc1001-2 (Link to this contribution)

Well, to bring Dominic Cummings into it sounds like a good argument to a point that I was not dis...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 820 c1002 (Link to this contribution)

How does the noble Lord explain the fact that, when you have a PR system—it does not matter in wh...

Lord Grocott | 820 cc1002-3 (Link to this contribution)

I was listening carefully to the noble Baroness’s speech, and she seemed to be suggesting that qu...

Lord Kerslake | 820 c1003 (Link to this contribution)

Could the noble Lord perhaps address the point I made in my contribution? Whatever your views abo...

Lord Grocott | 820 c1003 (Link to this contribution)

I am the wrong person to ask about directly elected mayors or police and crime commissioners beca...

Baroness Noakes | 820 c1004 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, with whom I completely agree. ...

Lord Kerslake | 820 c1004 (Link to this contribution)

I was quoting what the Electoral Commission said.

Baroness Noakes | 820 c1004 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the noble Lord has said, but the difference between the spoilt ballot papers in the l...

Lord Scriven | 820 c1004 (Link to this contribution)

Is the logic of what the noble Baroness is saying that electors in Northern Ireland and Scotland ...

Baroness Noakes | 820 cc1004-5 (Link to this contribution)

They can vote them out, but it is much more obscure—the link is much less direct. The supplementa...

Lord Moore of Etchingham | 820 c1005 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been affected by the debate this evening. I was intending to speak—if I was goin...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 820 c1005 (Link to this contribution)

I did not argue in my speech for bringing proportional representation forward at all.

Lord Moore of Etchingham | 820 c1005 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for that and accept what she says. I am thinking more widely of the de...

Lord Kerslake | 820 c1005 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord agree that I also made no argument to extend proportional representation? My ...

Lord Moore of Etchingham | 820 cc1005-6 (Link to this contribution)

I listened closely to the noble Lord’s speech, and it is perfectly true that he made a very long ...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 820 cc1006-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I used to be a full supporter of first past the post, very much in the spirit of the re...

Lord Scriven | 820 c1008 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak on behalf of my noble friend Lord Shipley, who has Amendment 144C in hi...

Lord Scriven | 820 cc1008-9 (Link to this contribution)

Sorry, 2022. It feels as if this debate started last year.

The YouGov tracker looks at a nu...

Lord Grocott | 820 c1009 (Link to this contribution)

Could the noble Lord remind us of his sample size? Mine was 19.2 million.

Lord Scriven | 820 c1009 (Link to this contribution)

That was 11 years ago. I am trying to point out to the noble Lord that people’s views change. I a...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 820 c1009 (Link to this contribution)

Could the noble Lord answer the second question, which was: what type of PR was wanted? That is t...

Lord Scriven | 820 cc1009-1010 (Link to this contribution)

I support Amendment 140, which is about setting up a citizens’ assembly to go through this questi...

Lord Kilclooney | 820 c1010 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, back in the middle of the last century when I was Minister of State for Home Affairs in...

Lord Framlingham | 820 c1010 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make one very simple point related to what we are talking about. I agree enti...

Lord Liddle | 820 cc1010-1 (Link to this contribution)

I should confess to having been a supporter of electoral reform for many years—since the 1970s, w...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 820 c1012 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend did not say that at the time.

Lord Liddle | 820 c1012 (Link to this contribution)

It was said in the councils of which I was part that it would be a good idea to shake up conventi...

Lord Grocott | 820 c1012 (Link to this contribution)

I do not normally draw attention to this but my noble friend and I were both working in No. 10 at...

Lord Liddle | 820 c1012 (Link to this contribution)

I have no doubt about that; that is why we would not have mentioned it to my noble friend. I am t...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 820 cc1012-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure always to follow my noble friend Lord Liddle, even though I woul...

Lord Hacking | 820 c1014 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a very new Member of the House, I had not intended to take part in Committee on this...

Lord Stunell | 820 cc1014-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make a brief contribution on Amendment 144C in the name of my noble friend Lo...

Lord Grocott | 820 c1015 (Link to this contribution)

If I heard aright, the noble Lord said that I stood in the election of 2010, but I am afraid that...

Lord Stunell | 820 cc1015-6 (Link to this contribution)

How very wise the noble Lord was to miss that particular commitment, is all I can say. A number o...

Lord True | 820 c1016 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been a lengthy debate. I say to the noble Lord, Lord Stunell, that I have not pr...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 c1016 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment which was introduced in the Commons and is now Clause 11 was a Christmas-...

Lord True | 820 c1016 (Link to this contribution)

I will come to that, my Lords. If the Committee will be indulgent, I think it has heard quite a l...

Lord Scriven | 820 c1016 (Link to this contribution)

I just make one point of clarification. It is not an opinion poll but a tracker of opinion over t...

Lord True | 820 c1017 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, whether it is a poll or a tracker, the noble Lord is welcome to look at it. I will pers...

Lord True | 820 c1017 (Link to this contribution)

If I may say so, the noble Lord had a good go. I will give him one go.

Lord Kerslake | 820 c1017 (Link to this contribution)

If you make a comment about what somebody said, you need them to be able to come back and say you...

Lord True | 820 cc1017-9 (Link to this contribution)

One might have thought, listening to the noble Lord, that he was talking about his liking for PR,...

Lord Davies of Brixton | 820 c1019 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is characterising my vote. It was against the alternative vote system and not for ...

Lord True | 820 c1019 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not know whether the noble Lord has been here all through the debate, but I mainta...

Lord Kerslake | 820 c1019 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with respect, the Minister partially reported what the Electoral Commission said. It po...

Lord True | 820 c1019 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord says let us have a look at 2016. The noble Lord also said not to pay any...

Lord Liddle | 820 c1019 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister made an important point in his argument about the 2011 referendum. That was on first...

Lord True | 820 cc1019-1020 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am speaking to what is before the Committee at the moment. As far as the Scottish and...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 c1020 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the Minister knows that this is copied from the SNP amendment in the Commons. One ...

Lord True | 820 cc1020-1 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has completely failed to answer the core question. He has thought about this amend...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 820 c1021 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not want to get into any discussion at all about what sort of electoral system is ...

Lord True | 820 c1021 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry that the noble Baroness—for whom I have the greatest possible respect, as she knows—fe...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 820 c1021 (Link to this contribution)

I have the greatest respect for the Minister but—with the greatest respect—that really did not ad...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 c1022 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wallace of Saltaire

137: After Clause 11, insert the following new Clau...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 cc1022-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 137 and 138 are grouped with Amendment 143 in the name of the noble Lord, Lo...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 820 cc1023-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 137 and 138, to which I have added my name, and oppose Amendment 1...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 820 cc1024-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I follow the noble Lord, Lord Wallace, and the noble Baroness, Lady Lister, with pleasu...

Lord Holmes of Richmond | 820 c1026 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 143, which has received such wholesome support from other Me...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 820 cc1026-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Holmes of Richmond. I would have pre-empted him, bu...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 820 cc1027-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid that I am going to strike a discordant note because I invite my noble frien...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 820 c1028 (Link to this contribution)

Would the noble Lord agree that young people look at what their interests are? Maybe if the Conse...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 820 c1028 (Link to this contribution)

I am not saying anything about that. I am just saying that I do not think the case has been made ...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 820 c1029 (Link to this contribution)

I take the noble Lord’s point, because there are all sorts of polls and this is in the Library br...

Lord Lexden | 820 c1029 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I simply venture to suggest that, at the moment, the priority should be to assist and e...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 820 c1029 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will try to be brief. The Labour Party has supported and continues to support lowerin...

Lord Collins of Highbury | 820 cc1029-1030 (Link to this contribution)

Well, there you go. I am still below the average age—just. The important point is that they are n...

Lord True | 820 cc1030-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I fear I cannot accept these amendments, although, having been mildly disobliging on th...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 820 c1031 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in withdrawing this amendment, I point out that, if we are saying that there is a probl...

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