Public Service Pensions and Judicial Offices Bill [HL]

Debate on bills on Monday, 29 November 2021, in the House of Lords, led by Viscount Younger of Leckie.

Lords report stage. Clause 1, amendment 1, debated and agreed to. Amendments 2-5 agreed to. Clause 4, amendment 6-7 agreed to. Clause 5, amendments 8-11 agreed to. Clause 7, amendment 12 agreed to. Amendment 13 agreed to. Clause 10, amendments 14-15 agreed to. Amendment 16 agreed to. Clause 13, amendment 17 agreed to. Clause 14, amendment 18-21 agreed to. Clause 15, amendments 22-25 agreed to. Clause 18, amendment 26 debated and agreed to. Amendments 27-30 agreed to. Clause 20, amendments 31-37 agreed to. Clause 21, amendments 38-39 agreed to. Amendment 40, debated and withdrawn. Amendments 41-42 agreed to. Amendment 43 agreed to. Clause 23, amendments 44-45 agreed to. Clause 24, amendments 46-49 agreed to. Clause 26, amendment 50 agreed to. Clause 28, amendments 51-52 agreed to. Clause 29, amendments 53-56 agreed to. Clause 33, amendment 57 agreed to. Clause 35, amendments 58-60 agreed to. Clause 36, amendments 61-63 agreed to. Clause 38, amendment 64 agreed to. Clause 45, amendment 65 agreed to. Clause 48, amendments 66-67 agreed to. Clause 49, amendments 68-69 agreed to. Clause 50, amendments 70-73 agreed to. Clause 51, amendments 74-75 agreed to. Clause 52, amendment 76 agreed to. Clause 54, amendments 77-79 agreed to. Clause 55, amendments 80-84 agreed to. Clause 56, amendments 85-88 agreed to. Amendment 89 agreed to. Clause 57, amendment 90 agreed to. Clause 58, amendments 91-94 agreed to. Clause 60, amendments 95-98 agreed to. Clause 63, amendments 99-100 agreed to. Clause 64, amendments 101-103. Clause 65, amendments 104-105 agreed to. Clause 69, amendment 106 agreed to. Clause 71, amendment 107-108 agreed to. Clause 73, amendments 109-110 agreed to. Amendments 111-112 agreed to. Clause 80, amendment 113 agreed to. Amendment 114 debated and withdrawn. Amendments 115-117 agreed to. Clause 86, amendment 188 agreed to. Clause 88, amendment 119 agreed to. Clause 90, amendment 120, agreed to. Amendment 121 debated and withdrawn. Amendment 122 not moved. Clause 92, amendments 123-125 agreed to. Clause 107, amendment 126 debated and disagreed to on division (147 to 211). Schedule 1, amendments 127-202 not moved. Amendments 203-204 agreed to.

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Reference

816 cc1138-1209

Session

2021-22

Department

Treasury

Public Service Pensions and Judicial Offices Bill (HL) 2021-22
Monday, 19 July 2021
Bills
House of Lords

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Viscount Younger of Leckie | 816 c1138 (Link to this contribution)

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1: Clause 1, page 1, line 7, leave out “a person’...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 816 cc1138-1141 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I turn to the amendments in this group, I will begin by briefly reminding the Ho...

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Lord Davies of Brixton | 816 cc1141-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not have a current interest to declare, but it would be appropriate to mention tha...

Baroness Janke | 816 c1142 (Link to this contribution)

I too thank the Minister for his time and for the engagement he has provided throughout the Bill,...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 816 c1142 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his explanation of this extensive group of amendments. I too t...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 816 cc1142-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will make a few very short closing remarks. I thank the noble Lords, Lord Davies and ...

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2: Clause 1, page 2, line 3, after “that” insert ...

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6: Clause 4, page 4, line 12, leave out from “per...

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8: Clause 5, page 5, line 42, leave out from “whi...

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12: Clause 7, page 7, line 38, leave out from “wh...

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13: After Clause 8, insert the following new Clau...

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14: Clause 10, page 9, line 5, leave out from “wh...

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16: After Clause 11, insert the following new Cla...

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17: Clause 13, page 11, line 42, at end insert—

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18: Clause 14, page 12, line 29, leave out “M” an...

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22: Clause 15, page 13, line 22, leave out “M” an...

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26: Clause 18, page 15, line 34, leave out subsec...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 816 cc1148-1150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this second group consists of three technical areas of amendments. I reassure the House...

Baroness Janke | 816 c1150 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for responding to many of the issues that arose in Committee and w...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 816 cc1150-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, once again I thank the Minister for his explanation of this group. We are content for t...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 816 c1151 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, once again, my closing remarks will be relatively brief. I thank the noble Baroness, La...

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27: Clause 18, page 16, line 9, leave out “member...

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Viscount Younger of Leckie

31: Clause 20, page 17, line 17, at end insert—

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Viscount Younger of Leckie

38: Clause 21, page 17, line 42, at end insert “o...

Lord Davies of Brixton | 816 c1154 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Davies of Brixton

40: Clause 21, page 18, line 13, at end insert—

Lord Davies of Brixton | 816 cc1154-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is about what has been termed “the pension trap”. Much concern has been ...

Baroness Janke | 816 c1156 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Davies, for his explanation of the amendment. I know we had quite a ...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 816 c1156 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Davies has given a thorough explanation of this issue, which will ...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 816 cc1157-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Davies of Brixton, for raising this issue again today, and...

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I thank the Minister for his detailed reply. At the appropriate time, I will indicate my intentio...

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Viscount Younger of Leckie

41: Clause 21, page 18, line 44, leave out “the m...

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43: After Clause 22, insert the following new Cla...

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44: Clause 23, page 19, line 33, leave out first ...

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46: Clause 24, page 20, line 19, at end insert—

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50: Clause 26, page 21, line 27, at end insert “,...

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51: Clause 28, page 22, line 36, leave out from “...

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53: Clause 29, page 23, line 15, leave out from “...

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57: Clause 33, page 25, line 25, leave out “A per...

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58: Clause 35, page 26, leave out lines 22 and 23...

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61: Clause 36, page 27, line 32, leave out “a per...

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64: Clause 38, leave out Clause 38 and insert the...

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65: Clause 45, page 34, line 10, leave out “, civ...

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Viscount Younger of Leckie

66: Clause 48, page 37, line 8, at end insert—

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68: Clause 49, page 37, line 28, leave out subsec...

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70: Clause 50, page 38, line 24, leave out “Subse...

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74: Clause 51, page 39, line 1, leave out “P” and...

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76: Clause 52, page 39, line 17, at end insert—

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77: Clause 54, page 39, line 41, leave out “membe...

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80: Clause 55, page 41, line 13, leave out paragr...

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85: Clause 56, page 41, line 38, at end insert “o...

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Viscount Younger of Leckie

89: After Clause 56, insert the following new Cla...

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90: Clause 57, page 43, line 6, leave out subsect...

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91: Clause 58, page 43, line 29, at end insert—

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95: Clause 60, page 44, line 24, leave out subsec...

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99: Clause 63, page 45, line 20, leave out from “...

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101: Clause 64, page 46, line 2, leave out from “...

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104: Clause 65, page 46, line 29, after “period””...

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106: Clause 69, page 47, line 42, after “to” inse...

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107: Clause 71, page 48, leave out lines 21 and 2...

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109: Clause 73, page 49, line 38, leave out “a pe...

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111: After Clause 78, insert the following new Cl...

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112: After Clause 79, insert the following new Cl...

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113: Clause 80, page 56, line 3, leave out “(2) a...

Lord Davies of Brixton | 816 c1179 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Davies of Brixton

114: Clause 80, page 56, line 3, leave out “(2) and (...

Lord Davies of Brixton | 816 cc1179-1180 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I raised this issue at Second Reading in the context of questioning the use of directio...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 816 cc1180-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have not participated on this Bill before; indeed, I just want to pick up the point m...

Baroness Janke | 816 cc1181-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I again thank the noble Lord, Lord Davies, for his explanation and for raising these is...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 816 c1182 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I again pay tribute to my noble friend Lord Davies for his contribution and for setting...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 816 cc1182-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, an amendment has been put forward to Clause 80 by the noble Lord, Lord Davies of Brixto...

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My Lords, at the appropriate time I will indicate that I will withdraw the amendment. I am prepar...

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Viscount Younger of Leckie

115: Clause 80, page 56, line 3, at end insert—

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118: Clause 86, page 63, line 8, at end insert—

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119: Clause 88, page 65, line 3, at end insert—

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120: Clause 90, page 65, line 9, at end insert—

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Baroness Janke

121: After Clause 90, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Janke | 816 c1187 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we have heard today and previously, the implementation of this Bill is likely to be ...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 816 c1187 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment. I raised the issue in my speech at Second Reading because I l...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 816 cc1187-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I pay tribute to the noble Baroness, Lady Janke, for tabling and introducing this amend...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 816 cc1188-1190 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very pleased to be able to debate this important matter. As the noble and learned ...

Baroness Janke | 816 c1190 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to the discussion on this amendment, parti...

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Viscount Younger of Leckie

123: Clause 92, page 66, line 6, at end insert—

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Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede

126: Clause 107, page 78, line 27, leave out “75”...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 816 cc1191-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak on the group of amendments consequential on Amendment 126. We have been ta...

Lord Etherton | 816 cc1192-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have joined in this amendment and I support it and the other amendments in the group,...

Lord Woolf | 816 cc1193-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow my noble and learned friend Lord Etherton, in this debate, b...

Viscount Hailsham | 816 c1195 (Link to this contribution)

I declare an interest: I sit as a legal assessor for regulatory bodies, and I am very nearly 77—a...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 816 cc1196-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I join those who have indicated that they fully support Part 3 of the Bill and would ra...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 816 cc1197-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too believe that the Government have made the right choice in going to 75 in one go, ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 816 cc1198-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am in the rather unusual position of having brought the judicial retirement age down,...

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 816 cc1199-1200 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is an enormous privilege and pleasure to be able to follow the noble and learned Lor...

Baroness Janke | 816 c1201 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the debate this afternoon has been passionate and enlightening. Here is a quote from Se...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 816 cc1201-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by thanking all noble Lords for their contributions during this lively debate. ...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 816 cc1203-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, let me provide some context to the figures that the noble Viscount has given. He said t...

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203: Schedule 1, page 93, line 27, leave out “cou...

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We shall now have a short interval for a change of personnel before we move on to the next busine...

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