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Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Monday, 15 November 2021, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage eighth day. Clauses 125 to 131 agreed to. Schedules 12 to 14 agreed to. (Part 2 of 2).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

816 cc98-146 

Session

2021-22

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill 2019-21 to 2021-22. Brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 6 July 2021
Bills
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Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill
Monday, 15 November 2021
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2021-0916
Monday, 22 November 2021
Deposited papers
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Blencathra | 816 cc98-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Blencathra

214: After Clause 124, insert the following new Clause—

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Lord Blencathra | 816 cc99-102 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am moving this amendment in my name and those of my noble friends to defend the right...


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Baroness Brinton | 816 cc102-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the problem that Amendment 214 is trying to resolve is already addressed in the very st...

Lord Morrow | 816 cc104-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Blencathra, this evening. I do so...

Baroness Meyer | 816 cc105-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 214 seeks to eliminate the risks and dangers to women in prison by the muddle...

Lord Pannick | 816 cc106-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness’s speech ranged very broadly indeed. We are in fact debating a compl...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 816 cc107-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has to be said that when I talk to members of the general public and tell them that ...

Lord Cormack | 816 cc108-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I just want to intervene briefly. I support this amendment. To me, it is morally wrong ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 816 cc109-110 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the late intervention by the noble Lord, Lord Cormack, was helpful in suggesting to the...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 816 cc110-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid it is not just the Government who are split on this. With two notable excep...

Baroness Meyer | 816 c111 (Link to this contribution)

We are talking about men who feel they are women but who have male genitalia being in a women’s p...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 816 cc111-2 (Link to this contribution)

I hear the noble Baroness, and I do not call her a late-flowering human rights spokesperson or fe...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 816 c112 (Link to this contribution)

I want to respond to that because I think another point that follows from what the noble Lord, Lo...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 816 c112 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for that intervention. If I offended her in any way by my remarks—

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Baroness Chakrabarti | 816 c112 (Link to this contribution)

—I apologise. Clearly one of the reasons this is so sensitive is that, beyond this Committee and ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 816 c112 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an important debate. I think I am perfectly entitled to intervene; I do not see...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 816 c112 (Link to this contribution)

No, my noble friend did not make it, but it is made by many people. Those who are perhaps arguing...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 816 c113 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend is intervening on me.

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 816 c113 (Link to this contribution)

That is very true. My noble friend is right. I will take that and ask her to respond to me.

Baroness Chakrabarti | 816 c113 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that. Forgive me, again, if I have called anybody names. That has not been my i...

Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 816 cc113-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission. As most nob...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 816 cc114-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not intended to speak, but I would like to support what the noble Baroness, Lady ...

Lord Paddick | 816 c115 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been engaged in the debate on trans issues for many years and I have the scars t...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 816 c115 (Link to this contribution)

Can I just clarify one thing? Many trans people do not agree with some of the orthodoxies that ha...

Lord Paddick | 816 cc115-7 (Link to this contribution)

I hear and understand what the noble Baroness says. However, on this amendment, I am clear. We op...

Lord Blencathra | 816 c117 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is looking at me and implying that I suggested that transgender men were a threat ...

Lord Paddick | 816 cc117-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the clarification that the noble Lord has given, and I will allow noble Lords t...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 816 c118 (Link to this contribution)

We, too, oppose the amendment. I think we all accept that transgender women are entitled to live ...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 816 cc118-120 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having heard the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, perhaps I can begin with two confessions. Fi...

Lord Blencathra | 816 cc121-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is customary for every Peer who has moved an amendment to say that it has been a wor...

Baroness Brinton | 816 c122 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Brinton

214A: After Clause 124, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Brinton | 816 cc122-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have laid Amendment 214A and I thank the noble Lord, Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede, and ...

Baroness Newlove | 816 cc123-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to add my name to Amendment 214A, along with the noble Baroness, Lady Brin...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 816 c125 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is on this amendment as well. I have the same briefing as the noble Baronesses,...

Lord Wolfson of Tredegar | 816 cc125-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Brinton, twice over. First, I thank her for t...

Baroness Brinton | 816 c126 (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords for their contributions to this brief debate. The noble Baroness, Lady Newlov...

Baroness Newlove | 816 c127 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Newlove

219: After Clause 131, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Newlove | 816 cc127-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the murders of Sarah Everard, Bibaa Henry and Nicole Smallman earlier this year shocked...

Lord Polak | 816 cc129-130 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to join my noble friend Lady Newlove and the noble Lords, Lord Ponsonby an...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 816 cc130-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment to which I have added my name, tabled by the noble Baroness, L...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 816 c131 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord mentioned gender reassignment, but the amendment does not say “gender reassignment...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 816 c131 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Lord looks at the amendment, it says

“or presumed sex or gender”.

That i...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 816 c131 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my point is that in arguing for the amendment the noble Lord mentioned the protected ch...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 816 c131 (Link to this contribution)

I think I was quoting from the Equality Act, but if I was not—the noble Lord here says I was righ...

Baroness Noakes | 816 c131 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness, Lady Falkner of Margravine, is no longer in her place. Gender is not a protec...

Lord Paddick | 816 c132 (Link to this contribution)

That is exactly what the noble Lord said. He said that gender reassignment is a protected charact...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 816 c132 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord. If anyone else wants further clarification, I am sure other noble Lords w...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 816 c132 (Link to this contribution)

The following characteristics are protected under the Equality Act: age—something else that we do...

Baroness Noakes | 816 cc132-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer of Thoroton, for his lesson in equalities law. ...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 816 c133 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Baroness know when the Law Commission might produce its final report and what the ...

Baroness Noakes | 816 c134 (Link to this contribution)

I think that was a trick question from the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer of Thoroton.

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Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 816 c134 (Link to this contribution)

It is not a trick question; I would have thought that that piece of information might be quite im...

Baroness Noakes | 816 cc134-5 (Link to this contribution)

I will tell the noble and learned Lord what I know, which is that the Law Commission said that it...

Lord Paddick | 816 c135 (Link to this contribution)

Could I ask the noble Baroness a question on her remarks? She said that sex was binary, male and ...

Baroness Noakes | 816 c135 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is dealt with by the Gender Recognition Act. In that case, the birth certificate i...

Baroness Warwick of Undercliffe | 816 cc135-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support Amendment 219 and to reinforce all the powerful arguments made by the...

Baroness Grey-Thompson | 816 cc136-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I assure my noble friend Lord Russell of Liverpool that I intend to be brief. I speak t...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 816 c137 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, time is against us, so I will be really brief. From all our debates so far, I am convin...

Baroness Ludford | 816 cc137-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are all impatient for the Law Commission report, but I believe it is best to await i...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 816 cc138-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am of a mind to be opposed to the introduction of a misogyny hate crime, but your Lor...

Lord Russell of Liverpool | 816 c139 (Link to this contribution)

Would the noble Baroness perhaps accept that if she was to speak to some of the senior police off...

Baroness Fox of Buckley | 816 cc139-140 (Link to this contribution)

I will try to avoid airy circles. Not long ago, I was invited to speak to a gathering of police o...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 816 c140 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise very briefly—the noble Lord, Lord Russell, will be pleased to know—to offer the ...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 816 cc140-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Newlove, her noble friend Lord Polak, my noble ...

Lord Paddick | 816 cc142-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Newlove, for so ably and comprehensively introducing h...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 816 cc143-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Labour Party has been at the forefront of calls to make misogyny a hate crime. Form...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 816 cc144-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friends Lady Newlove and Lady Noakes for tabling their amendments. Bot...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 816 cc145-6 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, noble Lords can take that down and quote it against me.

The noble Lord, Lord Russell o...

Baroness Newlove | 816 c146 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, considering the time, I will try to keep this short—I will not do a Second Reading spee...

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