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Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 20 July 2021, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Benyon.
Lords committee stage second day. Clauses 2 to 6 agreed to. Bill reported without amendment.

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Session

2021-22

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

Hybrid proceedings

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill (HL) 2021-22
Thursday, 13 May 2021
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Viscount Trenchard | 814 c1GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Trenchard

17: Clause 2, page 1, line 9, leave out “or has been”

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Viscount Trenchard | 814 cc1-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to be able to move Amendment 17, which my noble friend Lord Forsyth of Dru...


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Lord Howard of Rising | 814 cc2-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I commented earlier in Committee on the potential problem which would be created if exi...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 814 c3GC (Link to this contribution)

I support my noble friend Lord Howard of Rising’s amendment, to which I have put my name. It stri...

Lord Trees | 814 c3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak briefly to Amendments 18 and 23, which carry my name, and in support of A...

Baroness Deech | 814 cc3-4GC (Link to this contribution)

One of the worst things in this Bill, with its miasma of uncertainty, is its retrospective effect...

Lord Benyon | 814 c4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the conspiracy theorists among you will wonder whether the insufferable heat in this Ro...

Lord Benyon | 814 cc4-5GC (Link to this contribution)

However, I can assure noble Lords that that is not how I operate. I am looking forward to lengthy...

Baroness Healy of Primrose Hill | 814 c5GC (Link to this contribution)

I have received a request to speak after the Minister from the noble Lord, Lord Bellingham.

Lord Bellingham | 814 c5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a quick question to ask the Minister. The cost of the committee will be very sub...

Lord Benyon | 814 c5GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I did not quite hear the last part of the question. I wonder whether my noble fri...

Lord Bellingham | 814 c5GC (Link to this contribution)

Yes, indeed. If these amendments are passed, they will obviously greatly restrict the remit of th...

Lord Benyon | 814 c5GC (Link to this contribution)

I understand the question and apologise for missing it first time. No, I cannot give my noble fri...

Baroness Healy of Primrose Hill | 814 c6GC (Link to this contribution)

I have also received a request to speak after the Minister from the noble Lord, Lord Hamilton of ...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 814 c6GC (Link to this contribution)

I want to follow up on the comments from the noble Baroness, Lady Deech, about ritual slaughter. ...

Lord Benyon | 814 c6GC (Link to this contribution)

If my noble friend is referring to the article that I read at the weekend, it was full of inaccur...

Viscount Trenchard | 814 cc6-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to this debate, and I am heartened that bo...

Baroness Healy of Primrose Hill | 814 c7GC (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 20.

Amendment 20

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 814 c7GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb

20: Clause 2, page 1, line 10, leave out “may”...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 814 cc7-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before speaking to my amendments, I should just say that there is a certain underwater ...

Earl of Caithness | 814 cc8-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to these amendments because I have an amendment in my name, which I will c...

Lord Mancroft | 814 cc9-10GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 2 sets out the manner in which the animal sentience committee reports. In partic...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 814 c10GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 38, in the name of my noble friend Lord Caithness, to which I...

Viscount Trenchard | 814 cc10-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, although I agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Moulsecoomb, and my noble frien...

Lord Trees | 814 c12GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 27 and 41, in the names of the noble Baronesses, Lady Jones ...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 814 cc12-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Trees. This group of amendments is vari...

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 814 cc14-5GC (Link to this contribution)

In this group, I support Amendment 46 in the name of my noble friend Lady Young, to which I have ...

Lord Benyon | 814 cc15-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree: this has been a really interesting discussion.

I thank the noble Baroness...

Baroness Healy of Primrose Hill | 814 c19GC (Link to this contribution)

I have received requests to speak after the Minister from the noble Lord, Lord Robathan, and the ...

Lord Robathan | 814 c19GC (Link to this contribution)

I am moved to intervene briefly because the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, said that the people want...

Lord Benyon | 814 c19GC (Link to this contribution)

I will explain why. My noble friend was—as the previous Speaker used to say—a great denizen of th...

Lord Robathan | 814 c19GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps my noble friend might list the constituents who wrote to him.

Earl of Caithness | 814 c19GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his very full reply. He did comment on my amendment; ...

Lord Benyon | 814 c20GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend, and I hope to be able to reassure him. The job of the animal se...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 814 cc20-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that I may be interrupted by a vote at some point so I will try to be quick, al...

Baroness Healy of Primrose Hill | 814 c21GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the noble Baroness but I must adjourn the Committee for five minutes.

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Baroness Healy of Primrose Hill | 814 c21GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Committee is resumed and I call the noble Baroness, Lady Jones.

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 814 c21GC (Link to this contribution)

Finally, I thank the Minister for his simple explanation of how the two committees will work. Tha...

Baroness Healy of Primrose Hill | 814 c21GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now come to the group beginning with Amendment 28.

Amendment 28

Lord Moylan | 814 c21GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moylan

28: Clause 2, page 1, line 16, at end insert “, but such recomme...

Lord Moylan | 814 cc21-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 28, which is supported by my noble friends Lord Trenchard an...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 814 c24GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to my noble friend Lord Moylan’s amendment. It brings us back to t...

Viscount Trenchard | 814 c24GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 28 and 42 in the name of my noble friend Lord Moylan; I have added...

Lord Lexden | 814 c25GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Howard of Rising, has withdrawn so I call the noble Lord, Lord Benyon.

Lord Benyon | 814 cc25-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lord Moylan for his Amendments 28 and 42. Members of the animal sentience...

Lord Lexden | 814 c26GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have received one request to speak after the Minister. I call the noble Baroness, Lad...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 814 c26GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I just want to refer to the contribution made by the noble Lord, Lord Hamilton of Epsom...

Lord Lexden | 814 c26GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is a Division in the Chamber. The Committee stands adjourned for five minutes.

Lord Lexden | 814 c26GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is time to resume. Perhaps the Minister might like to say a word in reply to the nob...

Lord Benyon | 814 c26GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for her question. It would not be our intention to edit the committee’...

Lord Moylan | 814 cc26-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords who have spoken in support of the amendment, and to the no...

Lord Lexden | 814 c27GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now come to the group consisting of Amendment 35A.

Amendment 35A

Earl of Caithness | 814 c27GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Earl of Caithness

35A: Clause 2, page 1, line 20, at end insert—

“...

Earl of Caithness | 814 cc27-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment came to me when we were discussing the Environment Bill last week. I kno...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 814 cc28-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the opportunity given by my noble friend Lord Caithness in moving his...

Lord Benyon | 814 cc29-30GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lord Caithness for his Amendment 35A, which seeks to ensure that the anim...

Lord Lexden | 814 c31GC (Link to this contribution)

I have received two requests to speak after the Minister from the noble Lords, Lord Hamilton of E...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 814 c31GC (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend Lord Caithness mentioned the predation of badgers, which of course do not come un...

Lord Benyon | 814 c31GC (Link to this contribution)

I would be going down a very dangerous path if I moved on to cats and how many songbirds they acc...

Lord Moylan | 814 c31GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, given our discussion at our earlier session two weeks ago about the composition of the ...

Lord Benyon | 814 c31GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very worried about my noble friend. He appears to have a very jaundiced view of human nature...

Earl of Caithness | 814 c32GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to those who have taken part in this debate, in particular my noble frien...

Lord Lexden | 814 cc32-3GC (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 48.

4.45 pm

Clause 5: Interpretatio...

Lord Moylan | 814 c33GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moylan

48: Clause 5, page 2, line 32, leave out “vertebrate” and insert...

Lord Moylan | 814 cc33-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are four amendments in this group in my name, Amendments 48, 52, 53 and 57. I wil...

Lord Lexden | 814 c34GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is a Division in the Chamber. The Committee stands adjourned for five minutes.

Lord Lexden | 814 c34GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we shall resume. The noble Lord, Lord Moylan, may complete his speech and move his amen...

Lord Moylan | 814 cc34-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had just finished commenting on my own amendments when we were interrupted, so it was...

Lord Robathan | 814 cc35-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall confine myself to speaking to my Amendment 50 for reasons of brevity. The more ...

Lord Lexden | 814 c36GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the next three speakers—the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Moulsecoomb, the noble Viscou...

Lord Mancroft | 814 cc36-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to my Amendment 59 in this group. Clause 5(2) gives the Secretary of State...

Lord Lexden | 814 c37GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Howard of Rising, whose name is next on the list, has withdrawn, so I call t...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 814 cc37-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the last group of amendments is quite long and seeks to limit the scope of the Bill and...

Lord Lexden | 814 c38GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Hamilton of Epsom, whose name is next on the list, has withdrawn.<...

Earl of Caithness | 814 c38GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Robathan’s Amendment 50 and have added my name to it. It...

Lord Lexden | 814 c38GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Randall of Uxbridge, who is next on the list, has withdrawn.

Lord Trees | 814 cc38-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, a crucial aspect of the Bill is determining which animals within the vast animal kingdo...

Baroness Fookes | 814 cc39-40GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the Committee for not being here earlier in the afternoon when noble Lor...

Lord Lexden | 814 c40GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness, Lady Mallalieu, whose name is next on the list, has withdrawn.

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 814 c40GC (Link to this contribution)

I am speaking to Amendment 49 in my name and those of the noble Lord, Lord Randall of Uxbridge, a...

Lord Moylan | 814 c41GC (Link to this contribution)

After “except homo sapiens”.

Baroness Hayman of Ullock | 814 cc41-3GC (Link to this contribution)

Okay. As I was saying, they are probing amendments that are basically asking for animals to come ...

Lord Benyon | 814 cc42-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I will start with Amendment 48 in the name of my noble friend Lord Moylan. With it, I will take h...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 814 c45GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have received a request to speak after the Minister from the noble Lord, Lord Belling...

Lord Bellingham | 814 c45GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, does the Minister think that there is a fundamental difference between a lobster and a ...

Lord Benyon | 814 c45GC (Link to this contribution)

I am not an expert, and that is why I want an animal sentience committee that will advise me and ...

Lord Moylan | 814 c46GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend the Minister and to other noble Lords who have spoken ...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 814 c48GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that concludes the Committee’s proceedings on the Bill. I remind Members to sanitise th...

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