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Professional Qualifications Bill [HL]

Lords committee stage second day. Clauses 3 and 4 agreed to. New clauses debated and withdrawn. Clauses 5 to 7 agreed to.

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812 cc1676-1754 

Session

2021-22

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Proceeding contributions

Lord Haskel | 812 c1676 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Hybrid Sitting of the House will now resume. I ask all Members to respect social di...

Lord Fox | 812 cc1676-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to oppose Clause 3 standing part of the Bill. Judging from the range of people w...


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Lord Lansley | 812 cc1677-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very glad to follow the noble Lord, Lord Fox. Like him, I was moved to draft Amend...

Lord Patel | 812 c1678 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to start, I do not agree with the amendment tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Lansley. I c...

Lord Davies of Gower | 812 cc1678-1681 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as a member of a professional organisation. We have before us the...

Lord Trees | 812 cc1680-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, since this is my first contribution to this Committee stage, I thank the Minister for h...

Baroness Bennett of Manor Castle | 812 cc1682-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to put myself on the record as one of those who would have signed the noble Lord...

Baroness Noakes | 812 cc1683-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in last week’s Committee, we emphasised the need for the Bill, and not just the Governm...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 812 c1684 (Link to this contribution)

As we are starting the second day of Committee, I declare my interest again as a member of the GM...

Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie | 812 cc1684-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I come to this with a slightly different perspective. Many Members of this House have c...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 812 cc1686-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I commend the noble Lord, Lord Fox, on securing this Clause 3 stand part debate. I asso...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 812 cc1687-1690 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Fox for bringing this debate forward in such a cr...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 812 cc1690-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we have heard, Clause 3 gives powers to Ministers to do all sorts of things, but par...

Lord Grimstone of Boscobel | 812 cc1691-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Lansley for his amendment to Clause 13, which limits the r...

Lord Lexden | 812 c1695 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have received requests to speak after the Minister from the noble Baroness, Lady Noak...

Baroness Noakes | 812 cc1695-6 (Link to this contribution)

I will raise just two topics. The first is trust; the Minister regretted that the Committee did n...

Lord Grimstone of Boscobel | 812 c1696 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for those two comments and the spirit in which they are offered. I realis...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 812 c1696 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his response. He said he would consider this between ...

Lord Grimstone of Boscobel | 812 c1696 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for that point. Of course, anyone who listened to this debate could not bu...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 812 cc1696-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the Minister’s reply to the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, which I will come ...

Lord Grimstone of Boscobel | 812 c1697 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for that comment. My belief is that this Bill applies only to our famous 5...

Lord Lansley | 812 c1697 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend the Minister for his response to my Amendment 56. If I...

Lord Grimstone of Boscobel | 812 c1697 (Link to this contribution)

That is certainly a helpful suggestion put forward by my noble friend. I will reflect on it.

Lord Fox | 812 c1698 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very good debate—the Minister has clearly listened and responded strong...

Lord Haskel | 812 c1699 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now come to the group consisting of Amendment 30. Anyone wishing to press this amend...

Baroness Noakes | 812 c1699 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Noakes

30: Clause 4, page 3, line 25, at end insert—

“(1A) Re...

Baroness Noakes | 812 c1699 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 30 is a probing amendment on the abiding theme in our debates on this Bill, n...

Baroness Randerson | 812 cc1699-1700 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very pleased to speak in support of this amendment in the name of the noble Barone...

Lord Davies of Brixton | 812 c1700 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I crave the indulgence of the House; I hide behind the excuse of being a beginner. I pu...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 812 cc1700-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the Minister’s letter to the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter, yesterday—which I hope has...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 812 cc1701-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I seek the Committee’s indulgence—I did not want to keep popping up in the last group—b...

Lord Grimstone of Boscobel | 812 cc1702-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lady Noakes for this amendment to Clause 4. It is worth remindi...

Baroness Noakes | 812 c1703 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken on this amendment. I heard the noble Baroness, ...

Lord Haskel | 812 c1703 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 31. Anyone wishing to press this or anything el...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 812 c1703 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town

31: Clause 4, page 3, line 36, after “qualif...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 812 cc1703-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 31 in a way continues what the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, and others, have ...

Baroness Noakes | 812 c1704 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am glad to have heard the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter, introduce her amendment. We bo...

Baroness Randerson | 812 cc1704-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 32A, in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Garden, would require the ap...

Lord Moylan | 812 cc1705-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 55A is in my name. There are many excellent provisions in the Bill requiring ...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 812 cc1706-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak particularly to Amendments 31 and 32, and I commend Amendment 32, tabled by the...

Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie | 812 cc1707-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Davies, I am also new to this House—in fact, I am even newer ...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 812 cc1708-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by apologising to the Committee for the discourtesy of not being here last time...

Lord Grimstone of Boscobel | 812 cc1709-1710 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baronesses, Lady Hayter of Kentish Town and Lady Randerson, and my no...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 812 cc1710-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Davies of Brixton merely agrees with the noble Baroness, Lady Noak...

Baroness Barker | 812 c1711 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group consisting of the question of whether Clause 4 should stand part of the ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 812 cc1711-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am saying that Clause 4 should not stand part of the Bill. We have now discussed Clau...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 812 cc1712-3 (Link to this contribution)

I have two brief points. I would like to speak in support of Clause 4 standing part of the Bill, ...

Lord Fox | 812 c1713 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are indebted to the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, for opposing that this clause stand part....

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 812 c1713 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government need to justify why this clause is in the Bill. What would happen if it ...

Lord Grimstone of Boscobel | 812 cc1713-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I note that the noble Lord, Lord Hunt of Kings Heath, set out his intention to oppose C...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 812 c1716 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has to understand that we are wholly supportive of regulator-to-regulator agreements...

Lord Grimstone of Boscobel | 812 c1716 (Link to this contribution)

As always, I will consider carefully the suggestions made by the noble Baroness but, without want...

Lord Fox | 812 c1716 (Link to this contribution)

I assure the Minister that I have managed to work out that if two things are standing next to eac...

Lord Grimstone of Boscobel | 812 c1717 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord’s colleague the noble Lord, Lord Purvis, cautioned me on the previous day of Commi...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 812 c1717 (Link to this contribution)

I suspect that we should be wary of what we wish for, and that the Minister is now going to take ...

Baroness Barker | 812 c1717 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group consisting of Amendment 34. Anyone wishing to press this amendment to a ...

Baroness Blake of Leeds | 812 c1717 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Blake of Leeds

34: After Clause 4, insert the following new Clause—...

Baroness Blake of Leeds | 812 cc1717-8 (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 34 is in the name of my noble friend Lady Hayter, and I thank the noble Lord, Lord Palm...

Baroness Noakes | 812 cc1718-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the thrust of Amendment 34 and it is good to see the Benches opposite getting...

Lord Palmer of Childs Hill | 812 c1719 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am a co-signatory to Amendment 34. In fact, I put the same one in because its source ...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 812 cc1720-1 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords for participating in this short debate, and I thank the noble Baroness, L...

Baroness Barker | 812 c1721 (Link to this contribution)

I have received a message from the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, who wishes to speak.

Baroness Noakes | 812 c1721 (Link to this contribution)

Could my noble friend the Minister explain why, in Clause 1, which we know will be applied largel...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 812 c1721 (Link to this contribution)

I do not agree that that is a contradiction. This would have the effect of weakening the standard...

Baroness Blake of Leeds | 812 c1721 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her full response. I particularly thank the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes,...

Baroness Barker | 812 c1721 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 34A. Anybody wishing to press this or anything ...

Lord Lansley | 812 c1721 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lansley

34A: After Clause 4, insert the following new Clause—

“In...

Lord Lansley | 812 cc1722-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group has three amendments in it, two of which are in my name. The other amendment...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 812 cc1724-5 (Link to this contribution)

Well, my Lords, we could all do with a little kindly looking on our amendments. I will speak to A...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 812 c1725 (Link to this contribution)

I will speak to two of the amendments in this group in the name of my noble friend Lord Lansley. ...

Baroness Noakes | 812 cc1725-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Lansley has hit upon some important issues with his Amendments 34A...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 812 cc1726-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall refer initially to insurance and then to the wider issue of fitness to practise...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 812 c1728 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too want to concentrate on Amendment 60A, the new clause proposed by the noble Lord, ...

Lord Grimstone of Boscobel | 812 cc1728-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Lansley for tabling Amendments 34A and 60A, and I thank th...

Lord Lansley | 812 c1730 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have participated in this short debate. I particul...

Baroness Fookes | 812 c1730 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 37. Anyone wishing to press this, or anything e...

Lord Palmer of Childs Hill | 812 c1730 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Palmer of Childs Hill

37: Clause 5, page 4, line 14, at end insert—

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Lord Palmer of Childs Hill | 812 c1731 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this provision is often described as a “grandfather” clause or policy, or “grandfatheri...

Baroness Fraser of Craigmaddie | 812 c1731 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rather hope that the Minister will—to use the word of the Bill—assuage my fears that ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 812 cc1731-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I put my name to Amendment 60, to which my noble friend will refer in the wind-up, and ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 812 c1732 (Link to this contribution)

I support the comments of the noble Lord, Lord Palmer of Childs Hill, in moving his Amendment 37 ...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 812 cc1732-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow all those who have spoken on the amendments in this group, b...

Lord Fox | 812 c1733 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a short but important debate. I expect the Minister to stand up and say t...

Baroness Blake of Leeds | 812 cc1733-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank everyone for their contributions in this really important area. I join noble Lords in rai...

Lord Grimstone of Boscobel | 812 cc1734-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Palmer of Childs Hill, and the noble Baroness, Lady Blake ...

Baroness Fookes | 812 c1736 (Link to this contribution)

I have received requests to speak from the noble Lord, Lord Fox, and the noble Baroness, Lady Fin...

Lord Fox | 812 c1736 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his partial answer to my point, but he will find if he goes ba...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 812 c1736 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to add to that, I listened carefully to the Minister when he spoke about the person hol...

Baroness Fookes | 812 c1736 (Link to this contribution)

I invite the Minister to reply to both speakers.

Lord Grimstone of Boscobel | 812 c1736 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these are both important questions which affect the rights of individuals, and so I wil...

Lord Palmer of Childs Hill | 812 cc1736-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to this debate, which has been incredib...

Baroness Fookes | 812 c1737 (Link to this contribution)

We come to the group beginning with the question that Clause 5 stand part of the Bill. Anyone wis...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 812 cc1737-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to have the opportunity to discuss more broadly the contents of Clauses 5 and 6. Cl...

Baroness Randerson | 812 cc1738-1740 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome these amendments. I will start with the points the noble Baroness, Lady McInt...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 812 cc1740-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow my noble friend. She highlighted extremely well the nonsense...

Lord Grimstone of Boscobel | 812 cc1741-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the core purpose of the Bill is to update how regulators recognise professionals whose ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 812 c1743 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to those who have spoken and to the noble Baroness, Lady Randerson, for b...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 812 c1743 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock

39: Clause 7, page 4, line 41, at end insert—

...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 812 cc1743-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there have been a number of interesting debates today, and this is an important one. Th...

Lord Fox | 812 cc1744-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always a pleasure to follow my near namesake, the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, and e...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 812 c1745 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have two very small amendments in this group, both taking us back to my unfavourite w...

Baroness Noakes | 812 cc1745-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak on Clause 7 standing part of the Bill, rather than on the detailed amendments i...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 812 cc1746-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to speak in support of Amendment 39 from the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, and I comme...

Baroness Randerson | 812 c1747 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lady Garden has wisely pointed out the poor grammar in the Bill. I hope...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 812 cc1747-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, while I absolutely agree with my noble friend Lord Foulkes that any advice would be bet...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 812 cc1749-1751 (Link to this contribution)

I have to confess that I am still surprised that this is proving such a contentious part of the B...

Baroness Barker | 812 c1751 (Link to this contribution)

I have received a request to speak after the Minister from the noble Lord, Lord Fox.

Lord Fox | 812 c1751 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her response. I am having trouble matching the words that she is using w...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 812 cc1751-2 (Link to this contribution)

Providing a statutory basis for the continued existence of an assistance centre places a duty on ...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 812 cc1752-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, a lot of interesting things have emerged during this debate. The noble Baroness, Lady N...

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