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Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 11 January 2021, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Williams of Trafford. The answering members were Lord Kennedy of Southwark and Lord Rosser.
Lords report stage first day. Amendment 1 disagreed to on division (153 to 309). Amendment 5 disagreed to on division (278 to 283). Amendment 6 agreed to on division (282 to 259). Amendment 9 disagreed to on division (119 to 263). Amendment 11 disagreed to on division (111 to 255).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

809 cc463-578 

Session

2019-21

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Report stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill 2019-21. Brought from the Commons.
Monday, 19 October 2020
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2021-0076
Thursday, 28 January 2021
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2021-0077
Thursday, 28 January 2021
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Chakrabarti | 809 c463 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Chakrabarti

1: Clause 1, page 1, leave out line 17

Member’s e...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 809 cc463-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall be speaking to Amendments 1 and 2, which are linked. For the avoidance of doubt...


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Lord Dubs | 809 cc467-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I speak to the details of Amendment 3 in my name, I will comment briefly on the ...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 809 cc468-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to my Amendments 21 and 22, which are intended to elucidate and, if neces...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 809 c469 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord, but there is a little bit of interference.

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 809 c469 (Link to this contribution)

[Inaudible]—in relation to matters for which a judicial commissioner is responsible. Could the Mi...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 809 c469 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not know if the noble Lord, Lord Anderson, can hear me in the Chamber. I am afraid...

Lord Lexden | 809 c469 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I ask the noble Lord, Lord Anderson of Ipswich, not just to resume his speech—we look f...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 809 cc469-471 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful, and apologise for what seems to have been something of a crossed line.

I dea...

Lord Lexden | 809 c471 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falconer of Thoroton, who is next on the list, has bee...

Lord Rosser | 809 cc471-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, speaking for the Opposition, we support the essence of this Bill. As noble Lords from a...

Lord Paddick | 809 cc472-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, and to hear him speak in positi...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 809 cc474-6 (Link to this contribution)

What a pleasure it is to follow the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, who has demolished the Government’s...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 809 cc476-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure yet again to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Moulsecoomb. I s...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 809 c477 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 3, which seeks to ensure that victims of criminal conduct ca...

Lord Cormack | 809 cc478-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also think the amendment is clear, which is why I was glad to add my name to it. I wo...

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 809 c479 (Link to this contribution)

It is a privilege to follow the noble Lord, Lord Cormack, and I associate myself with his remarks...

Lord West of Spithead | 809 cc479-480 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Intelligence and Security Committee, which I sit on, welcomes the introduction of t...

Lord Naseby | 809 c480 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a privilege to follow the noble Lord, Lord West. I am not a lawyer but I have had...

Lord Rooker | 809 cc480-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very pleased to follow the noble Lord, Lord Naseby.

I see that the clear int...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 809 cc482-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always stimulating to follow the noble Lord, Lord Rooker—although I disagree with...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 809 cc483-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted to follow the noble Lord, who speaks with great authority and experience...

Lord Judd | 809 cc484-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak in support of Amendments 3 and 4. If I may so, my noble friend Lord Dubs covere...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 809 cc485-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I echo the grave concerns of many Peers. I also endorse what has been said about the go...

Baroness Bryan of Partick | 809 cc486-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a privilege, if not somewhat intimidating, to follow my noble friend Lady Kennedy...

Lord Hendy | 809 cc487-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Bryan, in supporting Amendmen...

Baroness Blower | 809 cc488-491 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is indeed a great pleasure to follow my noble friends Lady Bryan of Partick and Lord...

Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cookstown | 809 cc490-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Bill is intended to provide a legal framework for the state authorising its agents ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 809 cc492-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a real privilege to follow the noble Lord, Lord McCrea of Magherafelt and Cooksto...

Baroness Hamwee | 809 cc493-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the level of responses throughout the debates on the Bill indicates the level of concer...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 809 cc495-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate, which I think has gone on n...

Baroness Henig | 809 c498 (Link to this contribution)

I have received a request to speak after the Minister and to ask a question from the noble Barone...

Baroness Hamwee | 809 c498 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with regard to the criminal injuries compensation scheme, the Minister said that the Bi...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 809 c498 (Link to this contribution)

I noticed that the noble Baroness mentioned that point in her speech. The practical application o...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 809 cc498-501 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to everyone who has spoken in this debate and was quite humbled by so man...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 809 c501 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the noble Baroness, but we are making slow progress on the Bill and we ha...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 809 c501 (Link to this contribution)

I think I made my intention to divide clear earlier and I will say one or two sentences more befo...

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 809 c501 (Link to this contribution)

There appears to be a technical problem with the voting. I suggest that the House adjourn for 15 ...

Baroness Henig | 809 c505 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 5. I remind noble Lords that Members other than...

Lord Dubs | 809 c505 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dubs (Lab)

5: Clause 1, page 2, line 8, at end insert—

“(1A) Auth...

Lord Dubs | 809 cc505-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 5, I shall speak also to Amendment 23, which is grouped with it. I ...

Lord Hain | 809 cc506-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 16 in my name and those of my noble friend Lord Blunkett, a f...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 809 cc508-511 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking to Amendments 33, 37, 44 and 46, which are also signed by the noble and lea...

Lord Rosser | 809 cc511-3 (Link to this contribution)

Amendments 5 and 23, tabled by my noble friend Lord Dubs, provide for prior judicial oversight. T...

Lord Paddick | 809 cc513-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is again a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Rosser. We agree with the argumen...

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 809 cc515-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not wish to address at any length the various competing amendments that are being ...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 809 cc517-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much enjoyed the previous speech, which gave me much information about a great n...

Lord Cormack | 809 cc518-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, for the second time today, I have the great pleasure of following the noble Baroness, L...

Lord Blunkett | 809 cc519-520 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Hain in his admirable description of what has happened h...

Baroness Wheatcroft | 809 cc520-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Blunkett, who speaks with deep personal...

Lord Lexden | 809 c521 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the name of the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, appears next on the list by mistake—he has alr...

Lord Butler of Brockwell | 809 cc521-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in supporting the new clause in Amendment 33 and its consequentials, I am riding pillio...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 809 cc522-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great relief to follow the noble Lord, Lord Butler of Brockwell, because I enti...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 809 cc523-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can be brief on this, currying some favour, I hope, with the Government Whip that wil...

Lord West of Spithead | 809 c524 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Chakrabarti. She kept me well aware...

Lord Rooker | 809 cc524-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is an absolute pleasure to follow my noble friend Lord West of Spithead.

There...

Lord Mann | 809 cc525-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much agree with the detail and the general sentiment in the excellent contributi...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 809 cc528-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the interesting lesson from the noble Lord, Lord Mann, on the history of the left—it is...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 809 c529 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I preface my remarks with a very straightforward point, by noting that judicial commiss...

Lord Judd | 809 cc529-530 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to make it perfectly plain that I totally disagree with the arguments put forwar...

Lord Morris of Aberavon | 809 cc530-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I intervene briefly to support Amendments 5 and 16. The experience of so many noble Lor...

Lord Naseby | 809 cc531-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak briefly to a number of amendments. First, on Amendment 5, I do not believe what...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 809 cc532-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are obvious flaws in any authorisation procedure in which the main safeguard agai...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 809 cc534-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always a delight to follow my friend, the noble Baroness, Lady Kennedy of The Sha...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 809 c536 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord King of Bridgwater, is unavailable, so I call the noble Baroness, Lady Manni...

Baroness Manningham-Buller | 809 cc536-8 (Link to this contribution)

I was expecting to follow the former chair of the ISC from when I was there, but I am delighted t...

Lord King of Bridgwater | 809 cc538-9 (Link to this contribution)

I was expecting to follow the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, but I am even more delighted, ...

Baroness Hamwee | 809 cc539-540 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it speaks well of the House that there is such concern about safeguards to buttress cri...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 809 cc540-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in this long but worthwhile debate. First, I pa...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 809 c545 (Link to this contribution)

I have received two requests to ask short questions from the noble Lords, Lord Blunkett and Lord ...

Lord Blunkett | 809 c545 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the Minister on her tenacity and her grasp of detail, which is reassuring and refr...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 809 c545 (Link to this contribution)

While I have the opportunity, I thank the noble Lord for the conversation we had the other day—it...

Lord Hain | 809 c545 (Link to this contribution)

I too thank the Minister for her reply and for her engagement. It is clear from the balance of th...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 809 c545 (Link to this contribution)

It was very good for us to have a chat the other day because we could discuss things that clearly...

Lord Dubs | 809 c546 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister has already been congratulated on her mastery of the detail. I congratulat...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 809 c546 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now come to the group beginning with Amendment 6 and I remind noble Lords that Membe...

Baroness Hamwee | 809 c546 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

6: Clause 1, page 2, line 17, after “person” insert “reasona...

Baroness Hamwee | 809 cc546-552 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have Amendments 6, 18 and 36 in this group. Under new Section 29B, the person granti...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 809 cc552-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have signed Amendments 6 and 36, having tabled similar amendments myself in Committee...

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 809 c553 (Link to this contribution)

I can add very little to what has been so ably said in support of the amendment, to which I put m...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 809 c553 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the request here is very modest and I am sure that the Minister will want to accept the...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 809 c554 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on the narrow point just made very clearly by the noble Baroness, Lady Chakrabarti, I w...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 809 cc554-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have little to add to what has gone before. I often wonder whether the Government are...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 809 c555 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady McIntosh of Pickering, has withdrawn. I call the noble Lord, L...

Lord Rosser | 809 c555 (Link to this contribution)

Before I comment on these amendments, I am told that there was a tweet earlier today from the Com...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 809 cc555-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I echo the words of the noble Lord, Lord Rosser. I heard earlier today that my right ho...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 809 c556 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I gather that the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay of Clashfern, would like to speak...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 809 cc556-7 (Link to this contribution)

I think there is a question of consistency; if in one statute you have the word “reasonable”, whi...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 809 c557 (Link to this contribution)

I will use the opportunity because the noble Lord, Lord Carlile, talked about the codes of practi...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 809 c557 (Link to this contribution)

I now call the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee.

Baroness Hamwee | 809 c557 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to hear the news about James Brokenshire, whom I have known for a very long ...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 809 c557 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now come to the group beginning with Amendment 7. I remind noble Lords that Members ...

Lord Paddick | 809 c557 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Paddick

7: Clause 1, page 2, line 27, after “detecting” insert “serious...

Lord Paddick | 809 cc557-564 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 7, I will speak also to Amendments 8, 9 and 10 in my name and that ...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 809 cc564-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, for putting the argument for my Amendmen...

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 809 c565 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Ritchie of Downpatrick, has withdrawn, so I call the noble Bar...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 809 c565 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Chakrabarti. She mentioned complacency in the...

Lord West of Spithead | 809 cc565-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I join in passing best wishes on to James Brokenshire. The noble Baroness, Lady Chakrab...

Lord Beith | 809 cc566-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my thoughts for James Brokenshire, who was a member of the Justice Committee when...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 809 cc568-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I join in the good wishes to James Brokenshire. He has been a superb Minister over many...

Lord Judd | 809 cc569-570 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am associated with Amendment 7 and shall speak in support of my noble friend Lady Cha...

Lord King of Bridgwater | 809 c570 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I join so many noble Lords in paying a warm tribute to James Brokenshire and sending ou...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 809 cc570-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the first time I have spoken on the Bill on Report. First, I join others in sen...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 809 cc572-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords in this group who have paid their respects and tributes to my r...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 809 c573 (Link to this contribution)

I have received two requests to ask short questions, from the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 809 cc573-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for her comments, but I fear that she has misread Amendment 11. It ...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 809 c574 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister wish to reply? No? Okay—I call the noble Lord, Lord Paddick.

Lord Paddick | 809 c574 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions, but, first, I send my best wishes to t...

Lord Paddick | 809 cc574-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Paddick

9: Clause 1, page 2, line 30, at end insert “so far as those in...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 809 cc575-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Chakrabarti (Lab)

11: Clause 1, page 3, line 2, at end insert “; an...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 809 c578 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I indicated earlier, I would like to test the opinion of the House on this amendment...

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