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Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill

Lords committee stage first day. Clause 1 under consideration.

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808 cc145-213 

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2019-21

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Home Office

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Legislative Scrutiny: Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill. Human Rights Joint Committee tenth report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 4 November 2020
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons
Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill 2019-21. Brought from the Commons.
Monday, 19 October 2020
Bills
House of Lords
Covert Human Intelligence Sources (Criminal Conduct) Bill. Constitution Committee (HL) nineteenth report.
Thursday, 19 November 2020
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2021-0074
Thursday, 28 January 2021
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Hamwee | 808 c145 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 10, leave out “in the course of, o...

Baroness Hamwee | 808 cc145-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this may look like a very long group, but it almost entirely concerns a couple of point...


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Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 808 cc146-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, and the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, for...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 808 c147 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to follow the noble Lord. I would like to speak briefly to Amendments 1, 2, 4, 10,...

Baroness Whitaker | 808 c147 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would just add, in respect of Amendment 37, that we are rightly chary of imposing ret...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 808 cc148-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am going to speak quite a lot of times today. I do not really want to apologise for t...

Lord Cormack | 808 c149 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rather wish this Bill were called the “Authorised Criminal Conduct Bill”. I find it v...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 808 c149 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can be very brief, because others have put the point so well and also because of the ...

Lord Rosser | 808 cc149-150 (Link to this contribution)

As drafted, the Bill refers to criminal conduct as conduct

“in the course of, or otherwise ...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 808 cc150-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having made my maiden remarks at Second Reading, it is a pleasure now to assist the Hou...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 808 c152 (Link to this contribution)

I have received no requests to speak after the Minister, so I now call the noble Baroness, Lady H...

Baroness Hamwee | 808 c152 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by apologising to the noble Lord, Lord Cormack: I do not like the term CHIS eit...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 808 c152 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 3. I remind noble Lords that anyone wishing to ...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 808 c152 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Chakrabarti

3: Clause 1, page 1, leave out line 17

Member’s e...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 808 cc152-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 3 is linked to Amendment 5, which is at the nub of all this. I am supported i...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 808 cc156-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Chakrabarti, and support the amendm...

Baroness Warsi | 808 cc158-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 3 and 5, to which I have added my name alongside those of th...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 808 cc159-160 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always a pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Warsi, and I share her abhor...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 808 cc160-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford. I love these two am...

Baroness Bryan of Partick | 808 cc161-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is an honour to follow the speakers before me, who have such a range of experience. ...

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd | 808 cc162-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on the evidence I see great merit in these amendments. Our history of criminal law show...

Lord Hendy | 808 cc164-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a particular pleasure for me to follow the noble and learned Lord, Lord Thomas of...

Baroness Blower | 808 cc165-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow my noble friend Lord Hendy and the noble and learned L...

Lord Paddick | 808 cc167-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Baroness, Lady Chakrabarti, said in her opening remarks, these amendments ...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 808 cc169-170 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, who brings experience that non...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 808 cc170-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 3 and 5 from the noble Baroness, Lady Chakrabarti, seek, as she said, to mai...

Baroness Fookes | 808 c173 (Link to this contribution)

I have received one request, so far, to speak after the Minister. I call the noble Lord, Lord Pad...

Lord Paddick | 808 c173 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble and learned Lord for his remarks. He is right that there is widesprea...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 808 cc173-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord clearly heard what I said about the view that we have lost intelligence ...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 808 cc174-6 (Link to this contribution)

This Committee has made it a privilege to be a Member of your Lordships’ House, which today I hav...

Lord Alderdice | 808 cc176-7 (Link to this contribution)

We now come to the group beginning with Amendment 6. I remind noble Lords that anyone wishing to ...

Lord Paddick | 808 c177 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Paddick

6: Clause 1, page 1, line 19, at end insert—

“(3A) In sec...

Lord Paddick | 808 cc177-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 6, in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Hamwee, I will speak...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 808 cc178-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, with his eloquence and experie...

Lord Dubs | 808 cc179-180 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am also a member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, along with my noble friend L...

Lord Cormack | 808 c180 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have considerable sympathy with the remarks of the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, in movin...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 808 cc180-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, and the others who have tabled amendments in this...

Lord Judd | 808 c181 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are indeed fortunate to have working for us, in both Houses, the Joint Committee on ...

Lord Alderdice | 808 c181 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Moulsecoomb, has withdrawn so I call the noble Lord, Lord Ander...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 808 cc181-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments focuses on compensation for crimes committed pursuant to a cri...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 808 cc182-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can be brief on this group—because I gave my views on the importance of removing both...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 808 cc184-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to follow my noble friend Lady Chakrabarti, who has made a real contribution to th...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 808 cc185-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 6 and 8 seek to remove the exemption from civil liability for CHIS criminal ...

Lord Alderdice | 808 c186 (Link to this contribution)

I have received a request to speak after the Minister from the noble and learned Lord, Lord Falco...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 808 c186 (Link to this contribution)

It is new, because CHIS conduct under the existing Bill significantly did not include criminal co...

Lord Stewart of Dirleton | 808 c187 (Link to this contribution)

The remedy lies in the approach to the tribunal and the obligation on the commissioner to notify ...

Lord Falconer of Thoroton | 808 c187 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister confirm that the totally innocent victim can go to the Investigatory Powers Trib...

Lord Paddick | 808 c187 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. In speaking to the com...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 808 c188 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now come to the group beginning with Amendment 7. I remind noble Lords that anyone w...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 808 c188 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick

7: Clause 1, page 1, line 19, at end insert—...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 808 cc188-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support both amendments in this group; obviously, I particularly support Amendment 7,...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 808 cc189-190 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, obviously, a government agency cannot grant to an individual immunity from prosecution ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 808 c190 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I lend my support to Amendment 7 as a probing amendment, which was so eloquently moved ...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 808 c190 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an interesting pair of amendments, because they go to the territorial extent of...

Baroness Chakrabarti | 808 cc190-1 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness, Lady Ritchie, points out an enormous sensitivity, in relation not just to ext...

Baroness Hamwee | 808 c191 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 6 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Ritchie, and our amendment, are dir...

Lord Rosser | 808 c191 (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 7 in this group would ensure that criminal conduct authorisations are not covered by th...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 808 c192 (Link to this contribution)

Lord Rosser, we are losing you—we cannot hear you.

Lord Parkinson of Whitley Bay | 808 c1015 (Link to this contribution)

I think we might have lost connection with the noble Lord, Lord Rosser. If he can hear us and for...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 808 c1015 (Link to this contribution)

I now call the Minister, the noble Baroness, Lady Williams of Trafford.

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 808 cc1018-193 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate. I am sorry not to have heard the end ...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 808 c193 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think we have managed to re-establish connection with the noble Lord, Lord Rosser.

Lord Rosser | 808 c193 (Link to this contribution)

Yes—I am in some difficulty, because I do not know how much of what I said was heard. I think the...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 808 c1020 (Link to this contribution)

I have received no requests to speak after the Minister, so I now call the noble Baroness, Lady R...

Baroness Ritchie of Downpatrick | 808 cc1020-194 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a very interesting, albeit short, debate. My anxieties have not necessarily been di...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 808 c1022 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now come to the group beginning with Amendment 11. I remind noble Lords that anyone ...

Lord Dubs | 808 cc1022-3 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dubs

11: Clause 1, page 2, line 8, at end insert—

“(1A) Authorisa...

Lord Dubs | 808 cc1023-196 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the Committee again of my membership of the Joint Committee on Human Rights an...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 808 cc196-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, by and large, I endorse what my noble friend Lord Dubs said. It is right that there nee...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 808 cc198-200 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 46 and its Scottish equivalent, Amendment 73, which I traile...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 808 cc199-201 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Anderson, in speaking to my Amend...

Baroness Clark of Kilwinning | 808 cc201-2 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to speak to Amendment 77, which has been put down in my name and that of my noble friend L...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 808 c202 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, remind colleagues that I am a member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, as...

Lord Hain | 808 cc202-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to my Amendment 15, and I am grateful to my noble friend Lady Kennedy of ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 808 cc206-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have previously today made a case against permitting the authorisation of criminal co...

Lord Cormack | 808 cc207-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is another fascinating debate. A number of your Lordships are seeking to put forwa...

Baroness Fookes | 808 c208 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand that the noble Baroness, Lady Wheatcroft, has withdrawn, so I call the nob...

Lord Butler of Brockwell | 808 cc208-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have put my name to the amendment from my noble friend Lord Anderson. Over the years ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 808 cc209-210 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a privilege to follow my noble friend Lord Butler of Brockwell. His clarity and m...

Baroness Manningham-Buller | 808 cc210-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted to speak to Amendment 46 and to say a few general words. I have heard lo...

Baroness Hamwee | 808 cc212-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the House has been privileged to hear from the noble Baroness, Lady Manningham-Buller, ...

Baroness Penn | 808 c213 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move that the debate on this amendment be adjourned.

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