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Fisheries Bill [HL]

Lords committee stage third day. Clauses 17 to 27 agreed to. Schedules 3 and 4 agreed to. New clauses debated and withdrawn. Part 2 of 2.

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2019-21

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Fisheries Bill (HL) 2019-21.
Wednesday, 29 January 2020
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Teverson | 802 cc851-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Teverson

81: Clause 17, page 13, line 25, at end insert—

“( ) A l...

Lord Teverson | 802 c852 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also support Amendment 82 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Grantchester. Before I ...


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Lord Grantchester | 802 cc852-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, for tabling Amendment 81, and rise to s...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 802 c853 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my support for Amendment 81 on the equitable treatment of British and foreign-lic...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 cc853-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to noble Lords for this short debate, particularly to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson...

Lord Teverson | 802 c854 (Link to this contribution)

I am very convinced by the Minister. However, coming back to the fact that this is devolved, I mu...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 cc854-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch

83: After Clause 17, insert the following new C...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 cc855-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my proposed new clause seeks to clarify whether we have sufficient resources to patrol ...

Lord Teverson | 802 c856 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, for an excellent and important amendment. There...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc856-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for her amendment. The UK Government’s robust fisheries enfo...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c858 (Link to this contribution)

There were other questions posed by the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, to which I hope the Minister w...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc858-9 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely understand the point made by the noble Baroness. My assessment is that this is at th...

Lord Teverson | 802 c859 (Link to this contribution)

How long will the temporary financing of extra resources last and when it will end? At that point...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc859-860 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the noble Lord and the noble Baroness that I have no further detail other than to ...

Lord Teverson | 802 c860 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the Minister can write to me with the figures for the current enforcement budget for Engl...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 c860 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I will endeavour to ensure that a letter is directed to the noble Lord and the noble Barones...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c860 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that reply. We wish him well in his application in the spending review. ...

Lord Grantchester | 802 c860 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Grantchester

88: Clause 19, page 13, line 35, at end insert “not exceed...

Lord Grantchester | 802 c861 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall move Amendment 88 and speak to Amendment 89. These are the subject of this grou...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 cc861-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment had me a little puzzled. I wondered whether the noble Lord had, like me,...

Lord Grantchester | 802 c862 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for her complete explanation. I beg leave to withdraw my amendment....

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c862 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch

90: Before Clause 23, insert the following new ...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 cc862-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment addresses a running concern in the Bill that Parliament will be preclude...

Lord Teverson | 802 cc863-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very pleased to support the amendment. If there has been one mistake made since th...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc864-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am also grateful to the noble Baroness for her amendment. The UK Government remain co...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c865 (Link to this contribution)

I think I am going to ask one of my dumb questions, which I know the Minister will tolerate. I am...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 c865 (Link to this contribution)

I think it would be best if I just repeat that the Prime Minister has already committed to provid...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c865 (Link to this contribution)

In that case, I am grateful to the noble Lord and I think it would be helpful if he could just ch...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c866 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch

92: Clause 23, page 15, line 16, leave out “may...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 cc866-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 92 and 97 are in the name of my noble friend Lord Grantchester and Amendment...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 802 cc867-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I associate myself with the amendments in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of...

Baroness Worthington | 802 cc868-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have Amendment 103 in this group. I feel we are getting into the heart of the Bill he...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 c869 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Grantchester, for his amendment, and to the noble...

Lord Teverson | 802 c869 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that there is the potential to do that, and I look forward to the meeting; I am very pl...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc869-870 (Link to this contribution)

There was, shall we say, licence on my part there because I thought it might excite intervention....

Baroness Worthington | 802 c870 (Link to this contribution)

To be absolutely clear, does the Minister mean that we will honour the allocation of the FQAs in ...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc870-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will write to the noble Baroness on that. The reason for taking this decision at this...

Baroness Worthington | 802 c872 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the Minister’s response. I would just like to clarify that my amendment did not...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 c872 (Link to this contribution)

I take the noble Baroness’s point. It is why, in rerunning the objectives debate on Clause 1, the...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 802 c873 (Link to this contribution)

Is my understanding correct? Did my noble friend say that Clause 23(2) could be used to allocate ...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 c873 (Link to this contribution)

I had better look at the Bill again, and check exactly what I said so that I do not, in any way, ...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c873 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister has given a lot of detail, so I feel that I too will have to go back and r...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc873-4 (Link to this contribution)

Again, the problem with the amendment stating “must” is that it concerns the determination of all...

Lord Teverson | 802 c874 (Link to this contribution)

I strongly support this amendment and, if that is the case, clearly the Government should just br...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 c874 (Link to this contribution)

Again, the provision talks about “for a calendar year”, so these are annual fishing opportunities...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 cc874-5 (Link to this contribution)

I feel that the more we dig, the more complicated and confusing this gets. I understand that the ...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 802 cc875-6 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville

93: Clause 23, page 15, line 23, ...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 802 cc876-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment introduces binding legal commitments not to fish above scientifically re...

Lord Krebs | 802 cc877-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak briefly in support of the amendment because it provides me with an oppo...

Baroness Worthington | 802 c878 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot say much more than the noble Baroness has already said, very eloquently. I len...

Lord Grantchester | 802 cc878-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, and the noble Baroness, Lady Bakewell, ...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc879-881 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her Amendment 93, which sets out a number of re...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 802 cc881-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response and all noble Lords who have contributed to this short deba...

Lord Teverson | 802 c882 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Teverson

94: Clause 23, page 15, line 27, at end insert—

“( ) Any...

Lord Teverson | 802 cc882-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I come to two amendments; I cannot imagine there is any way the Government could disagr...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 802 cc883-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to my Amendment 104. Like the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, I am concerned...

Baroness Worthington | 802 cc884-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 105 in my name. We are getting to the heart of the Bill in...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 802 cc887-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I put my name to Amendment 105 because I think that this group of amendments, around Cl...

Lord Lansley | 802 cc888-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for my late arrival at the Committee. I believe my noble friend Lady McInto...

Baroness Worthington | 802 c889 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to clarify things. We see the need for two tiers of transparent objective criteria: o...

Lord Lansley | 802 cc889-890 (Link to this contribution)

Happily, I think we are in agreement about this. There are two tiers of allocation: the determina...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 cc890-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, for tabling his amendments, which addre...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 cc891-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, and the noble Baroness, Lady Bakewell, ...

Baroness Worthington | 802 c894 (Link to this contribution)

I have heard that phrase before that fish are somehow held on trust. Fish are considered to be wi...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 c894 (Link to this contribution)

It is understood.

The issue of public property would, we believe, be covered by the socio-e...

Baroness Worthington | 802 c894 (Link to this contribution)

Before moving on to the next amendment, I just wish to clarify that the main objection to this re...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 c895 (Link to this contribution)

I go back to Clause 23, which applies to the Secretary of State setting the UK quota. Clause 25 r...

Baroness Worthington | 802 c895 (Link to this contribution)

Clause 23 applies only when we have an international agreement. It is clear that UNCLOS, which is...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 cc895-6 (Link to this contribution)

I shall write to the noble Baroness on that detailed point.

On Amendment 106, which address...

Lord Teverson | 802 c896 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for those 101 reasons why it is difficult. My question is: do the Government...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 c896 (Link to this contribution)

I think that I just said that we do, and how we could do it with additional quota.

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Baroness Worthington | 802 c896 (Link to this contribution)

The fundamental point that we are making is: can we ever imagine a point in the future where we c...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 c896 (Link to this contribution)

I note the noble Baroness’s disappointment, but that is the Government’s position and we have no ...

Lord Teverson | 802 c896 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for going through all that, but another term for stability and cer...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 c896 (Link to this contribution)

I am assured that the economic benefit objective will have some bearing on that.

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 802 c896 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have not spoken on this amendment, but I am pretty horrified with the way that it has...

Lord Teverson | 802 c897 (Link to this contribution)

Anyway, I look forward to the new entrants scheme. That is good. I misunderstood the Minister, wh...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c897 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch

107: Clause 27, page 18, line 6, at end insert—...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 cc898-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 107 in my name follows on from our previous debate about the management of, a...

Lord Teverson | 802 c899 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Whitchurch, for putting steel in my backbone again and ...

Baroness Worthington | 802 cc899-900 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 110 in my name. I have, perhaps overconfidently, attempted...

Baroness Worthington | 802 c900 (Link to this contribution)

I will ignore that last comment. I thank noble Lords very much.

Baroness Wilcox | 802 cc900-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been sitting here and listening for a long time. I have worked with these people...

Lord Teverson | 802 c901 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness on her work on the lobster hatchery in Cornwall, whic...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 cc901-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too thank my noble friend Lady Wilcox very much for her distinguished support for fis...

Baroness Worthington | 802 c903 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for those comments. Could we have one of those meetings with the specialists...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 c903 (Link to this contribution)

Most definitely. On the basis of my explanation, I hope that the noble Baroness will feel able to...

Lord Teverson | 802 c904 (Link to this contribution)

I just seek a couple of clarifications. With any new fishing opportunities, there will have to be...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 802 c904 (Link to this contribution)

Clause 27 is about English fishing opportunities as far as I recall. The other thing I should say...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 802 c904 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is extremely helpful. If the Minister’s think piece is going to cover the circumst...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 802 cc905-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the opportunity to debate this. We heard the figures earlier for the ...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 c906 (Link to this contribution)

Clause 27 allows for the sale of rights to English fishing opportunities —quota and days at sea, ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 802 c906 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have to say that I find it very disappointing, as the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, sai...

Baroness Bloomfield of Hinton Waldrist | 802 c907 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can commit to writing on the issues of tradeability of fishing rights and non-active ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 802 c907 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think I shall get any satisfaction this evening so I shall not press this matter now, bu...

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