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Pension Schemes Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 2 March 2020, in the House of Lords, led by Earl Howe and Baroness Stedman-Scott.
Lords committee stage third day. Clauses 118 to 123 agreed to. Schedules 9 and 10 agreed to. Government new clause agreed to. Clause 124 agreed to as amended. Clause 125 agreed to.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

802 cc191-252GC 

Session

2019-21

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Pension Schemes Bill (HL) 2019-21
Tuesday, 7 January 2020
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee fourth report
Wednesday, 5 February 2020
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Pension Schemes Bill (HL). Constitution Committee (HL) second report.
Wednesday, 12 February 2020
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2020-0170
Tuesday, 24 March 2020
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 802 c191GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, the Committee will adjourn ...

Lord Young of Cookham | 802 c191GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Young of Cookham

38: Clause 118, page 105, line 7, at end insert “or an...


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Lord Young of Cookham | 802 cc191-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 38 in my name endeavours to fulfil the objectives of the pensions dashboard b...

Lord Flight | 802 c194GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 43 and 44 in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Young. He made the p...

Baroness Drake | 802 cc194-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the purpose of Amendment 39 is to contain the delegated powers in the Bill so that they...

Baroness Altmann | 802 cc196-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will make a few observations about this suite of amendments. It strikes me that the d...

Lord Flight | 802 c197GC (Link to this contribution)

With the state pension, you already get from social services advice on what your pension will be ...

Baroness Altmann | 802 cc197-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend. Of course, he is absolutely right but the point of the dashboard is that...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 c198GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not intending to speak to these amendments, but it has been quite an interesting ...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 cc198-202GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to the three amendments in my name in this group and respond to the others...

Earl Howe | 802 cc202-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken to this group of amendments. Perhaps I...

Viscount Eccles | 802 c203GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I should already know this, but will it be possible, in the additional technical work, fo...

Earl Howe | 802 c204GC (Link to this contribution)

It will be entirely up to the consumer to decide whether they wish to have a dashboard showing al...

Baroness Drake | 802 c204GC (Link to this contribution)

At one level it is entirely up to the consumer, but if somebody hacks into the system or steals t...

Earl Howe | 802 cc204-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I will come on to the question of identity in a second when I address the amendment tabled by my ...

Baroness Drake | 802 cc206-8GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may put three questions to the Minister in response to his comments. First, he opened b...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 cc208-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to ask a couple of questions so that the Minister does not need to come back to ...

Earl Howe | 802 c209GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on the final point made by the noble Baroness, it is fair to say that our debate last W...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 802 c210GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Sherlock, talked about the business model of these dashboards....

Earl Howe | 802 c210GC (Link to this contribution)

The Government’s vision is for consumers to have access to their own information if they wish, an...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 802 c210GC (Link to this contribution)

My apologies: my question was not clear. I was asking specifically about the business model behin...

Earl Howe | 802 c210GC (Link to this contribution)

Scheme providers have been absolutely clear that they are keen for this to happen, mainly because...

Lord Flight | 802 c210GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, is there not the point that, with people having on average 11 different jobs during the...

Lord Young of Cookham | 802 cc210-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a long debate, and I do not propose to lengthen it much more. I am gratef...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c211GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Altmann

41: Clause 118, page 105, line 9, at end insert—

“( )...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c212GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group stand in my name and those of my noble friend Lord Flight,...

Lord Flight | 802 cc212-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the point that I want to make is that there are four cases where the FCA is the regulat...

Lord Hutton of Furness | 802 c213GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak briefly to Amendment 68. I put my name to it and raised the issue at Seco...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 cc213-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the six amendments in this group in my name and that of my noble friend Lord McKenzie o...

Earl Howe | 802 cc214-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group are designed to ensure that consumers are placed at the he...

Lord Hutton of Furness | 802 c216GC (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the Minister is saying and am very grateful for the thoroughness with which he is res...

Earl Howe | 802 cc216-7GC (Link to this contribution)

Consumers will have various modes of redress available to them if they are not served legally or ...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c217GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for his very thorough response to this group of amendments. Is it not pos...

Earl Howe | 802 c217GC (Link to this contribution)

We come back to the question of a liability model. I might as well deal with that now. We set out...

Lord Flight | 802 c217GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, is not the big issue in this territory that when people have discovered that they have ...

Earl Howe | 802 c217GC (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend is quite right. The industry delivery group has these matters squarely on its age...

Baroness Drake | 802 c218GC (Link to this contribution)

The liability model has not been settled. That is perfectly understandable; I do not rush to crit...

Earl Howe | 802 c218GC (Link to this contribution)

I believe that to be so but I need to take advice; I will write to the noble Baroness on that poi...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 c218GC (Link to this contribution)

On a related point, I tried hard to listen to what the Minister said because I am particularly in...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 c218GC (Link to this contribution)

Excellent. In that case, I am trying to relate that to New Section 238A(5)(c), to be introduced b...

Earl Howe | 802 cc218-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly go away and consider that point, even if “fiduciary” is not the appropriate word...

Baroness Altmann | 802 cc219-220GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for his detailed response and the broadness of his willingness to conside...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 c220GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted

46: Clause 118, page 107, line 28, at end ins...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 cc220-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am conscious that, in the two groups we have already discussed, we have touched quite...

Lord Sharkey | 802 c222GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend’s amendment, among other things, speaks about advertising. The underlyi...

Baroness Drake | 802 c223GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have some sympathy with the noble Baroness’s amendment in wanting to set out in regul...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 cc223-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Bowles, for having opened up this territory. ...

Earl Howe | 802 cc224-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I fully appreciate that the noble Baroness is trying to ensure that consumers are prope...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 802 cc226-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response. As I said, this is a probing amendment but also ...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c228GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Altmann

54: Clause 119, page 111, line 45, at end insert—

“23...

Baroness Altmann | 802 cc228-230GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendments 54 and 65, both of which are on the same topic. I beg the...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 802 c230GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness paints a bleak picture; I do not doubt that she is absolutely right.

Is ...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c230GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord raises an important point which highlights that I have not necessarily covered all...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 c231GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not want to say very much, but I have a couple of questions on the back of what th...

Earl Howe | 802 cc231-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I completely appreciate my noble friend’s desire to ensure that the information on the ...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c233GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend very much for his response. I said that this was a probing amendment, and...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 802 c233GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Neville-Rolfe

72: After Clause 122, insert the following new Clause...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 802 cc234-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 72 would require the Secretary of State to lay an impact assessment before Pa...

Baroness Drake | 802 cc235-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I certainly agree with the spirit behind the amendment—that transparency is a good thing and that...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 802 c236GC (Link to this contribution)

I am a big supporter of auto-enrolment, which has been transformative and helps with this long-te...

Lord Vaux of Harrowden | 802 c237GC (Link to this contribution)

I am staggered by the numbers on the cost of doing this that are bandied around. As far as I can ...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c237GC (Link to this contribution)

I echo the words of the noble Baroness, Lady Drake. A number of elements of the expense shown in ...

Earl Howe | 802 cc237-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend for raising this important issue.

The Government published...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 802 c239GC (Link to this contribution)

As I said right at the beginning, I value the work that the department has already done on this m...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 cc240-1GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

73: After Clause 123, insert the following new Clause...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c242GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Stedman-Scott

77: Clause 124, page 118, line 11, after “(d)” insert...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c242GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 77 seeks to extend the scope of Clause 124 to include transfers from unfunded...

Baroness Altmann | 802 cc242-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend’s amendment and will speak to my Amendment 78, which is group...

Baroness Janke | 802 c243GC (Link to this contribution)

I have some amendments which we will come to later concerning similar issues. I very much support...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 802 c243GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are three amendments in this group. Amendment 78, in the name of the noble Barone...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 cc243-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend Lady Altmann for tabling her Amendment 78, which introduces further condi...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 802 c244GC (Link to this contribution)

My question related to Amendment 77 and unfunded public service DB schemes where there is a requi...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c244GC (Link to this contribution)

In the circumstances, I will write to the noble Lord if he will allow me.

In conclusion, fo...

Baroness Drake | 802 c244GC (Link to this contribution)

This has become more problematic because of pension freedom. Before that, you could not quickly r...

Baroness Sherlock | 802 c245GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to ask a question before the Minister comes back on this. In her reply, she gave...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 802 c245GC (Link to this contribution)

The suggestion made by the noble Baroness, Lady Sherlock, is very helpful. I would be happy to do...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c245GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for her reply, which does not come as a surprise to me. I also thank nobl...

Lord Sharkey | 802 cc245-6GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharkey

79: After Clause 124, insert the following new Clause—

“C...

Lord Sharkey | 802 cc246-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, many of the problems faced by our pensions system are to do with drawdown and transfer,...

Baroness Altmann | 802 c248GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to this amendment, which is a very important amendment in the cont...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 802 cc248-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment goes to the heart of protecting people’s pensions. We have touched upon ...

Earl Howe | 802 cc249-251GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Sharkey, and my noble friend Lady Altmann for tab...

Lord Sharkey | 802 cc251-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the Minister for that very comprehensive answer. There are one or two obser...

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