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European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 5) Bill

Debate on bills on Thursday, 4 April 2019, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Rooker. The answering member was Lord Callanan.
Lords second reading. Agreed to on question. Bill committed to a Committee of the Whole House.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

797 cc331-380 

Session

2017-19

Legislative stage

Second reading

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Proceeding contributions

Lord Rooker | 797 c331 (Link to this contribution)

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Lord Rooker

Lord Rooker | 797 cc331-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been present for every speech today. I was sorely tempted to intervene on the od...


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Lord Hain | 797 c332 (Link to this contribution)

Will my noble friend also remind the House that the Cabinet Secretary warned that there would be ...

Lord Rooker | 797 cc332-3 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, he did. I have kept away from the debate on Northern Ireland. I had one year there as a dire...

Lord Howard of Lympne | 797 cc333-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a genuine pleasure to follow the noble Lord. He and I crossed swords many times i...

Lord Cormack | 797 c334 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, is my noble friend saying that he will vote against Second Reading?

Lord Howard of Lympne | 797 c334 (Link to this contribution)

No, of course not. I accept the procedures of this House, but there will come an opportunity for ...

Baroness Ludford | 797 cc334-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the Bill and I thank the noble Lord, Lord Rooker, for taking up the mantle of...

Lord Robathan | 797 c335 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, are these not the same people who warned us, when we voted three years ago, that pandem...

Baroness Ludford | 797 c335 (Link to this contribution)

I think that the noble Lord is somewhat out of date. There has been a serious impact on the econo...

Lord Flight | 797 c336 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, is it not a question of weighing the short-term inconveniences against the long-term pi...

Baroness Ludford | 797 c336 (Link to this contribution)

That is not the consensus of reputable economists, who all say that we will do worse outside the ...

Lord Wigley | 797 c336 (Link to this contribution)

Will the noble Baroness comment on whether she is satisfied that the drafting of the Bill is wate...

Baroness Ludford | 797 c336 (Link to this contribution)

It would take a braver woman than I to say that it is watertight. I do not know whether there is ...

Lord Pannick | 797 cc336-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had planned to be at the National Theatre tonight, on date night with my wife. We had...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 797 cc337-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, with his crystal clear ...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 797 c338 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is always a pleasure for me to follow the noble Lord, Lord Howell, who is the chair ...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 797 cc338-340 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend Lady Deech did not move an amendment; nor did the noble Lord, Lord Howell. I am t...

Lord Framlingham | 797 c340 (Link to this contribution)

For the sake of the record, would the noble Lord confirm to the House that he is doing all he pos...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 797 cc340-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to say that some of the noble Lord’s friends this afternoon did not even have the cour...

Lord Norton of Louth | 797 cc341-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall be brief in making a point that I regard as fundamental. The length of my speec...

Baroness Deech | 797 cc342-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, not only is the procedure relating to this Bill unacceptable and unconventional, but th...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 797 cc343-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Baroness, Lady Deech. I have great respect f...

Lord Adonis | 797 cc345-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a privilege to follow the noble Lord, Lord Anderson. He is absolutely right to hi...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 797 c347 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is both wrong and right. He is right that the referendum was a simple choice. What...

Lord Adonis | 797 c347 (Link to this contribution)

I am precisely proposing a compromise, which is to take the Prime Minister’s deal, which is the b...

Lord Bilimoria | 797 c347 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for giving way. I say to the noble Lord, Lord Howell, that people were con...

Lord Adonis | 797 c348 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord makes a very powerful further argument for the second referendum. I support his ar...

Lord Cormack | 797 cc348-351 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, always gives a compelling and fascinating speech, but ther...

Baroness Noakes | 797 cc351-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not going to give the speech that I had planned to give at this late stage of the ...

Lord Warner | 797 cc352-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Brexit debate has increasingly reminded me of the film that shot James Dean to fame...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 797 cc353-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with only two things that the noble Lord, Lord Warner, said: one is the lack of...

Lord Robertson of Port Ellen | 797 c354 (Link to this contribution)

Can I ask the noble Lord a question? Had the referendum gone the other way, would he and his frie...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 797 c354 (Link to this contribution)

Of course we would have accepted the referendum result—we would have had to. We would not have sa...

Lord Bilimoria | 797 c355 (Link to this contribution)

Could the noble Lord clarify the results he has just cited? When he says, “against”, is it no dea...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 797 c355 (Link to this contribution)

It is no deal versus remain in the EU. That is what the question was in the YouGov poll this morn...

Lord Bilimoria | 797 c355 (Link to this contribution)

I have got the figures right here. The latest YouGov poll, which I looked at today, says that 37%...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 797 c355 (Link to this contribution)

That is very different from the poll I saw. Perhaps after this debate the noble Lord and I might ...

Lord Stern of Brentford | 797 cc355-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we need the protection provided by the Bill because the potential losses from a no-deal...

Baroness Wheatcroft | 797 cc356-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Stern, whose informed comments about th...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 797 cc357-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this Bill is misconceived in every aspect. It mandates the Prime Minister to seek an Ar...

Lord Judd | 797 c358 (Link to this contribution)

We all have immense respect for my noble friend, but he has associated concepts and thoughts with...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 797 c358 (Link to this contribution)

I have the greatest respect for my noble friend. He is of course right that that was the founding...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 797 cc358-360 (Link to this contribution)

I must proceed, if my noble friend will allow me. I am grateful to him.

I find it extraordi...

Lord Fairfax of Cameron | 797 cc360-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Howarth. I want to adopt many of ...

Lord Adonis | 797 c361 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, does the noble Lord not think that we should take our lead from the House of Commons, w...

Lord Fairfax of Cameron | 797 c361 (Link to this contribution)

As I tried to say earlier, there is a massive disconnect between the current composition of the H...

Lord Adonis | 797 c361 (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Lord saying that the House of Commons should not be expressing a view on the conduct...

Lord Fairfax of Cameron | 797 c361 (Link to this contribution)

I am saying that 55% of voters at the moment apparently thinking that Parliament is attempting to...

Lord Liddle | 797 c361 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is normally form in this House to say what a pleasure it is to follow the previous s...

Lord Fairfax of Cameron | 797 c363 (Link to this contribution)

I am looking at this from the perspective of the 17.4 million people who voted to leave.

Lord Liddle | 797 c363 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that, but you would think that they are the only people who count. What about the 6 ...

Lord Adonis | 797 c363 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for giving way. How many of the 17.4 million does my noble friend think v...

Lord Fairfax of Cameron | 797 c363 (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Lord inviting me to respond? Of course I will if he wishes me to do so.

Lord Liddle | 797 cc363-4 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend, as always, has taken the best parts of my speech. However, he is right.

We...

Lord Willoughby de Broke | 797 c364 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord therefore support a bad deal? Is that what he is saying?

Lord Liddle | 797 c364 (Link to this contribution)

I am certainly not saying that. I am saying that you have to recognise the realities of the 45 ye...

Lord Warner | 797 c364 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord recall that the noble Lord, Lord King of Lothbury, is acknowledged to have be...

Lord Liddle | 797 c364 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Warner, makes a point, but I did not want to get into that.

What has n...

Lord Bilimoria | 797 cc364-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was on the phone at 7 am to one of my fellow directors in Australia. I said to him, “...

Baroness Noakes | 797 c365 (Link to this contribution)

I have been a member of the Finance Bill Sub-Committee for many years, though not absolutely ever...

Lord Bilimoria | 797 c365 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely not. The noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, is here. She was a member of that committee, and...

Lord Bilimoria | 797 c365 (Link to this contribution)

Do not ruin my momentum, please; I will give way in a second. Nothing has been agreed.

Lord Howard of Lympne | 797 c365 (Link to this contribution)

I have great sympathy with the point made by the noble Lord. Is it not a fact that it was the Eur...

Lord Bilimoria | 797 c368 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, with all his experience, has pre-empted what I was about to say next. The Europea...

Lord Callanan | 797 c368 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord should have gone.

Lord Bilimoria | 797 c368 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord may not like what I am saying, but it is true. There is lots he has not heard. It ...

Earl Cathcart | 797 cc368-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the first time I have spoken today, but I will try to be brief. I do not think ...

Lord Bilimoria | 797 c369 (Link to this contribution)

The overall result for the whole country, if you include Scotland and Northern Ireland, was 44% t...

Earl Cathcart | 797 cc369-370 (Link to this contribution)

The result was still in favour of leaving with no deal. We are told that emergency legislation is...

Duke of Wellington | 797 cc370-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare, as before, my various European interests, as detailed in the register. I hav...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 797 cc371-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in the gap and to follow the words of wisdom of my roommate and noble f...

Lord Wigley | 797 c372 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted to share the gap with the noble Baroness, Lady Neville-Rolfe. I will say...

Lord Goldsmith | 797 cc372-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am happy to support the Bill from these Benches, and I thank my noble friend Lord Roo...

Baroness Deech | 797 cc374-5 (Link to this contribution)

The noble and learned Lord referred to this as the greatest crisis since the Second World War. Br...

Lord Goldsmith | 797 c375 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness. I remember that case very well, of course, though I did not ...

Lord Callanan | 797 cc375-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as this is not, of course, a government Bill, I am sure noble Lords will be delighted t...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 797 c376 (Link to this contribution)

Before he sits down, could the Minister answer two questions? I asked the first earlier, and I wo...

Lord Callanan | 797 cc376-7 (Link to this contribution)

Of course we do not. I can answer both his questions with the same statement. The Government will...

Lord Rooker | 797 c377 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not hear much compromise in that last speech. The only reason we are here discuss...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 797 c377 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, what about Russian money, for instance, which is another example?

Lord Rooker | 797 cc377-8 (Link to this contribution)

Dirty Russian money flooding into London, which allegedly funded part of the campaign on digital ...

Lord Cormack | 797 c378 (Link to this contribution)

Is my friend, the noble Lord, aware also of the frightening predictions that have been made by th...

Lord Rooker | 797 c378 (Link to this contribution)

Yes. The NFU has been the quiet dog on this issue for three years. It never had a position on Bre...

Lord Cormack | 797 c378 (Link to this contribution)

That may be so, and I agree, but the president has recently come out very clearly on this, and it...

Lord Rooker | 797 c378 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I absolutely agree, and I applaud the role that the new president has taken.

Lord Newby | 797 c378 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt the noble Lord’s peroration. He may be aware that, contrary to what a num...

Lord Rooker | 797 cc378-380 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord. My very last point—it is my very last point, because it follows ...

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