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Trade Bill

Lords committee stage fourth day. New clauses debated and withdrawn. Other amendments not moved or withdrawn from the Marshalled List. Clauses 6 to 16 agreed. Schedules 1 to 4 agreed. Bill reported without amendment.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

795 cc1333-1424 

Session

2017-19

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Trade Bill 2017-19. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 18 July 2018
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee thirty-third report.
Tuesday, 11 September 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Trade Bill. Constitution Committee (HL) thirteenth report.
Wednesday, 10 October 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 c1334 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

45: After Clause 5, insert the following new Cla...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 cc1334-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 45 is in my name and that of the noble Lord, Lord Purvis, for whose support I...


Show all contributions (143)
Lord Purvis of Tweed | 795 cc1336-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, for moving the amendment, which I happ...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 795 c1337 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, both the noble Lords, Lord Stevenson and Lord Purvis, have stressed how important the s...

Lord Liddle | 795 c1338 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support this amendment, which is of profound importance. I apologise for an ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 795 cc1338-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I follow the noble Lord, Lord Liddle, in pursuing the aspect of services, and I have a ...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 795 cc1339-1341 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that this is a very good amendment and I will come to the substance of it in a ...

Lord Lansley | 795 cc1341-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in following the noble Lord’s remarks, perhaps I may say that the unreality of debates ...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 795 c1342 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, 80% of the UK economy—in fact, I think the figure is 85%—comprises services. I support ...

Lord Bates | 795 cc1342-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on behalf of all those who have spoken, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Stevenson and Lor...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 795 c1343 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister moves on detailed points, perhaps this might be a good moment for him to tell...

Lord Bates | 795 c1343 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord will remember from day three of Committee last week that one of the questions aske...

Lord Liddle | 795 c1344 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on the point about freedom of movement, I have two specific questions for the Minister....

Lord Bates | 795 cc1344-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to do that, and perhaps get some notes—I know we have a group coming up on the mobilit...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 795 c1345 (Link to this contribution)

Can my noble friend clarify the point about services and goods? I asked whether we would be able ...

Lord Bates | 795 c1345 (Link to this contribution)

I will be glad to do so. In a lot of such agreements, especially for the major manufacturers, the...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 795 c1345 (Link to this contribution)

In the early part of his speech, the Minister read out an impressive list of points that had been...

Lord Bates | 795 c1346 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, except that the political declaration was of course part of the withdrawal agreement negotia...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 795 c1346 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Lansley, and I have referred to the WTO. My understanding is that there have...

Lord Bates | 795 c1346 (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to give further detail on that in the general update between Committee and Report...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 795 c1346 (Link to this contribution)

To clarify, my concern is about British companies establishing their services in what will be a t...

Lord Bates | 795 c1346 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that clarification. I shall make sure that that is what is addressed.

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 cc1346-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it sounds as if we are starting off a new train of activity or various letters. I suspe...

Lord Lansley | 795 cc1347-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lansley

61: After Clause 5, insert the following new Clause—

“Fre...

Lord Lansley | 795 cc1348-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for this opportunity to raise the issue of free zones. I thought I was likely to en...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 795 c1349 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. As he rightly says, free ports are distortionary ...

Lord Lansley | 795 c1349 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord will observe that the amendment seeks a consultation on the part of the Treasury, ...

Lord Bates | 795 cc1349-1350 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Lansley for moving this amendment. He has managed to get o...

Lord Lansley | 795 c1350 (Link to this contribution)

Since there is no recent substantial experience of free zones, does my noble friend not think it ...

Lord Bates | 795 c1350 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend will be aware that “consultation” has a specific meaning now in legal terms, whic...

Lord Lansley | 795 c1350 (Link to this contribution)

Once again, I am grateful to my noble friend and that is a very welcome comment. I look forward t...

Lord Fox | 795 c1350 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Fox

66: After Clause 5, insert the following new Clause—

“Trade a...

Lord Fox | 795 cc1351-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have come to the fourth day of Committee on the Bill. Before the noble Lord, Lord Li...

Lord Framlingham | 795 c1353 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening very carefully to the noble Lord. Does he accept or acknowledge that there are any...

Lord Fox | 795 c1353 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Lord reviews what I said in Hansard, he will see that I talked about two particular ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 795 cc1353-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Fox has introduced his amendment extremely eloquently and convinci...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 cc1356-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, a powerful case has been made by the party to my left. My sadness is that the framing o...

Lord Bates | 795 cc1357-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Fox, for introducing this amendment which deals with an imp...

Earl of Clancarty | 795 c1358 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, earlier the Minister mentioned crossing borders. Would that include onward movement, wh...

Lord Bates | 795 c1358 (Link to this contribution)

I may not be able to get a categorical answer on that, but I am happy to undertake to write to th...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 795 c1358 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister said that perhaps this amendment would be better placed elsewhere, but I wondered wh...

Lord Bates | 795 c1359 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously, those are discussions that will have to be concluded in the future framework. On the s...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 795 c1359 (Link to this contribution)

There has been a lot of concern in the past that the position of the Commonwealth, relative to th...

Lord Bates | 795 c1359 (Link to this contribution)

I listened very carefully to the final words that the noble Lord used when he talked about “equal...

Lord Fox | 795 c1359 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords for the minimal debate that we have had around this. I will look cl...

Lord Bates | 795 c1359 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down—I have always wanted to say that—I did have some notes on that. P...

Lord Fox | 795 c1360 (Link to this contribution)

It helps somewhat, and I urge the Government to consult extensively with the care and food servic...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 795 c1360 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lea of Crondall

66A: After Clause 5, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Lea of Crondall | 795 cc1360-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will begin by reading the amendment to set out what I am trying to do here:

“It...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 795 c1364 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I really had to get to my feet since I was referred to by the noble Lord, Lord Lea of C...

Lord Monks | 795 c1364 (Link to this contribution)

Just to correct that statement, it was John Major’s Government who negotiated an opt-out from the...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 795 c1364 (Link to this contribution)

As soon as I said that, I knew it was wrong, but in fact Mr Blair continued that way and did not ...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 795 c1365 (Link to this contribution)

That is the central point. The reason we could not do it at national level, whether in Europe or ...

Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 795 c1365 (Link to this contribution)

That, of course, is a matter of opinion. There are others who say that because we are members of ...

Lord Finkelstein | 795 c1365 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his compelling and persuasive speech. For those of us who are determin...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 795 c1365 (Link to this contribution)

I can help the noble Lord on that. In the six months since the summer, Jeremy Corbyn—whether you ...

Lord Finkelstein | 795 c1366 (Link to this contribution)

I think it is access to the single market, and we are both aware of the difference between those ...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 795 c1366 (Link to this contribution)

If the protocol of the House allows me, I will answer questions as they come in this way. The pro...

Lord Finkelstein | 795 c1366 (Link to this contribution)

It is a credible proposal, but only if it has some sort of political support. The questions I put...

Viscount Trenchard | 795 cc1366-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, against the framework of what the future relationship will be, I do not think that the ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 c1367 (Link to this contribution)

I hesitate to become too involved in this debate, which seems rather above the level at which I a...

Lord Bates | 795 cc1367-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lea, for setting out the rationale for his amendment. He was sincere...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 795 cc1369-1370 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that very courteous reply. I do indeed believe that he has taken the poi...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 795 c1370 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Purvis of Tweed

67: Clause 6, page 5, line 4, after “in” insert—

...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 795 cc1370-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 68. These are probing amendments the purpose of which i...

Lord Lansley | 795 cc1372-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I just want to say a word on this. I will not add much, because the noble Lord, Lord Pu...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 795 cc1373-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by thanking my noble friend Lord Lansley, who has paved the way quite well for ...

Duke of Montrose | 795 c1374 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the Minister for giving way. A case in point that my noble friend Lord Lans...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 795 c1374 (Link to this contribution)

I very much take note of what my noble friend has said. I have no doubt that that point, and so m...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 795 cc1374-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for his characteristically thorough response, except that we still ...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 795 c1375 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb

75: After Clause 6, insert the following new C...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 795 cc1375-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall try to keep this brief, so I will not read out my amendment. We have heard a lo...

Baroness Fairhead | 795 cc1377-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, for providing this opportunity to discuss these...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 795 c1378 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister accept that climate risk has to be part of any sort of trade negotiations, in t...

Baroness Fairhead | 795 c1378 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think I have reiterated just how important climate change is to the Government’s prio...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 c1378 (Link to this contribution)

I am trying to help both sides come to an arrangement. I do not think that the noble Baroness who...

Baroness Fairhead | 795 c1378 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for his intervention. Absolutely; I hope I restated that the WTO needs ref...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 795 c1379 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her answer and I thank the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, for suggesting th...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 c1379 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

77: After Clause 8, insert the following new Cla...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 cc1379-1381 (Link to this contribution)

Although this group of amendments points in different directions, the amendments have a common st...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 795 cc1381-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment in the names of the noble Lords, Lord Stevenson and Lord Purvis...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 795 cc1382-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very happy to have my name attached to these amendments. It shows the Government t...

Lord Hain | 795 c1385 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, following the excellent speeches we have just listened to, beginning with my noble frie...

Lord Lansley | 795 cc1385-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, what connects this group of amendments is that they are European Research Group’s amend...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 795 cc1386-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 77 for the reason that the noble Lord, Lord Lansley, has just given...

Lord Bates | 795 cc1387-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise more in hope than expectation of being able to persuade your Lordships. I pick u...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 795 c1388 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting the Minister. I want to add perhaps another degree of lunacy to the ...

Lord Bates | 795 cc1388-1390 (Link to this contribution)

I will make some progress, but I will come back to that point—when inspiration arrives.

No ...

Lord Berkeley of Knighton | 795 c1390 (Link to this contribution)

I ask this question as someone who is not a politician and who therefore sometimes gets quite con...

Lord Bates | 795 c1390 (Link to this contribution)

It is a challenge when someone with the noble Lord’s intellect begins a sentence by apologising f...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 795 c1390 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is making a very gallant effort and I applaud it. I enjoyed many of the things he sa...

Lord Bates | 795 c1391 (Link to this contribution)

That is the noble Lord’s position on this: the reality is that the Prime Minister is seeking an a...

Lord Fox | 795 c1391 (Link to this contribution)

On that last point, we keep talking about 29 March, but of course sales are already being made an...

Lord Bates | 795 c1391 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, there is a reason why we have brought back the agreement—to resolve the situation.

As ...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 795 cc1391-2 (Link to this contribution)

On this point about VAT, I hope the Minister will forgive me for saying that he and I are probabl...

Lord Bates | 795 c1392 (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to give an undertaking to the noble Lord that I will reflect with colleagues, par...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 cc1392-3 (Link to this contribution)

That was an interesting and enlivening evening. I have come up with a brilliant title for my fort...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 795 cc1393-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for this opportunity to debate whether Clause 9 and Schedule 4 should sta...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 795 cc1394-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have some sympathy with my noble friend Lady McIntosh of Pickering but for a quite di...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 c1395 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are dealing with a clause stand part amendment in the name of the noble Baroness, La...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 795 c1395 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord and will be content as long as my noble friend the Minister can a...

Lord McNicol of West Kilbride | 795 cc1395-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Stevenson talked about a speech, but I think he might have overemp...

Lord Lansley | 795 cc1396-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if we are going to anticipate the longer group of amendments, which impact on Schedule ...

Baroness Brown of Cambridge | 795 cc1397-1400 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 101A and 103B in my name. I thank my noble friend Lord Kinn...

Lord Fox | 795 c1400 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am struggling, because I fear we are mixing our drinks a little. On the one hand, we ...

Earl of Kinnoull | 795 cc1400-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly in support of the noble Baroness, Lady Brown, and associate myself with ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 795 c1401 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 101A and, without rehearsing the points, I entirely endorse ...

Lord Fox | 795 c1401 (Link to this contribution)

It will be very hard to do that—I was not suggesting that they should not have that support.

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 795 c1402 (Link to this contribution)

It will be hard, but I do not think we can let the matter go. That is why Amendment 101A should b...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 795 c1402 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to make two brief points in this large but important grouping. The first is in r...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 795 cc1402-3 (Link to this contribution)

On Amendment 101A, I agree with proposed new subsection 1(c), where you have,

“a chief exec...

Baroness Fairhead | 795 cc1403-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to this debate. In particular, I thank ...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 795 c1404 (Link to this contribution)

This is a new procedure, but presumably it is open to an individual Member of your Lordships’ Hou...

Baroness Fairhead | 795 c1404 (Link to this contribution)

I confess that I am unaware of the protocol in this regard. It is a ways and supplies Act and was...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 c1404 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that this will help very much, but a negative procedure is a negative procedure. It...

Baroness Fairhead | 795 cc1404-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for that clarification.

My noble friend also raised the economic int...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 c1407 (Link to this contribution)

I will intervene before the noble Lord, Lord Lansley, does—I am sure he was just about to. I do n...

Baroness Fairhead | 795 cc1407-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to take that back. I have heard the point. I asked whether there was a practice and wa...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 795 c1408 (Link to this contribution)

I do not wish to make a glib point, but the Minister has referred to the Office for Students. The...

Baroness Fairhead | 795 c1408 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that clarification, but that is one example that was just plucked out and it ha...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 795 c1408 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the Minister for her full response. Picking up the mood of the Committee, I...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 c1410 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

85: After Clause 10, insert the following new Cl...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 c1410 (Link to this contribution)

We can be relatively brief on these amendments; they are substantial in their drafting, and the p...

Lord Lansley | 795 c1410 (Link to this contribution)

I am not clear. Is the noble Lord’s intention behind the amendment that the Upper Tribunal would ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 c1411 (Link to this contribution)

I read that a few moments ago and now I have lost it. I think it is on the merits and on the proc...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 795 c1411 (Link to this contribution)

Has the noble Lord considered whether one could have an appeal to the courts? Of course, on the E...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 c1411 (Link to this contribution)

I will get through this very quickly and then questions can flow in. Amendment 85, which has alre...

Lord Lansley | 795 c1411 (Link to this contribution)

I agree that the public interest test is not defined anywhere, but is the economic interest test ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 cc1411-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for his interventions, which are always helpful, but I was going ...

Baroness Brown of Cambridge | 795 cc1412-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly to Amendments 90A and 90B in my name. Again, I thank my noble frie...

Earl of Kinnoull | 795 c1413 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not want to comment on the two amendments I have signed. I want to urge some suppo...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 795 c1413 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, for interrupting him. Of course, there i...

Lord Lansley | 795 cc1413-4 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, is absolutely right that the economic interest test is present in...

Baroness Fairhead | 795 cc1414-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Stevenson and Lord McNicol, and the noble Baroness, Lady ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 cc1416-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the Minister for that very full response. I think she covered most of the p...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 c1417 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara

98: After Clause 15, insert the following new Cl...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 cc1417-8 (Link to this contribution)

By this stage of the proceedings the Minister is usually tearing up her notes and packing her bag...

Lord Purvis of Tweed | 795 cc1418-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am happy to contribute to the successful realisation of the noble Lord’s ambition to ...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 795 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not sure that the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, did me a great favour by alleging th...

Lord Lansley | 795 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am speaking on behalf of my noble friend Lady Altmann, who is unable to be here and a...

Lord Hain | 795 cc1419-1422 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I realise that the hour is late, but I rise to support Amendment 98, which would make i...

Baroness Fairhead | 795 cc1421-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted to allow the noble Lord, Lord Stevenson, to realise his ambition, but I ...

Lord Stevenson of Balmacara | 795 c1424 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for her kind words and the way in which she turned down our hope of...

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