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Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 17 December 2018, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Williams of Trafford.
Lords report stage second day. Amendment to clause 20 debated and withdrawn. Another amendment debated and agreed to on division (214 votes to 196). New clause (Amendment to the criteria for proscription), after clause 20, debated and withdrawn. Part 1 of 2.

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Reference

794 cc1622-1651 

Session

2017-19

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Report stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Second legislative scrutiny report: Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill. Human Rights Joint Select Committee eleventh report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 10 October 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee thirty-fifth report.
Wednesday, 17 October 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Counter-terrorism and Border Security Bill 2017-19. As amended in Lords Committee.
Wednesday, 14 November 2018
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee fortieth report.
Thursday, 29 November 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

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Proceeding contributions

Lord Stunell | 794 cc1622-3 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Stunell

31: Clause 19, page 21, line 37, at end insert—

“( ) Afte...

Lord Stunell | 794 cc1623-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Paddick and I tabled Amendment 31 because of the serious concerns ...


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Lord Carlile of Berriew | 794 cc1624-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I draw the noble Lord’s attention to the existence of the Prevent oversight boar...

Lord West of Spithead | 794 c1625 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been involved in the Prevent programme since 2007. It is like the curate’s egg: ...

Lord Hylton | 794 c1625 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Carlile, that Muslim communities in this country are ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c1626 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord agree that it would possibly be better to talk about this in the next amendme...

Lord Hylton | 794 c1626 (Link to this contribution)

I will conclude what I was saying. I believe that this amendment is modest and necessary and will...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 794 c1626 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this issue was raised by the noble Lord, Lord Stunell, in Committee and again today on ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 cc1626-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have spoken to this amendment, particularly the noble Lord, Lor...

Lord Stunell | 794 c1627 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister and other noble Lords who have contributed to the debate. I am glad that nei...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 794 c1628 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Kennedy of Southwark

32: Clause 19, page 22, line 2, at end insert—

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Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 794 c1628 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an issue that we debated in Committee when an independent review of Prevent was...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 794 cc1628-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we should have pride in the achievements of the many excellent people who work locally ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 794 cc1629-1630 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not disagree with much of what has been said by my noble friend Lord Anderson. How...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 794 cc1630-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow two distinguished reviewers of counterterrorism legislation,...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 794 cc1631-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are coming at this from slightly different directions, which is very healthy in a de...

Lord West of Spithead | 794 c1632 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is interesting that eight years ago today, Mohamed Bouazizi set fire to himself in T...

Lord Stunell | 794 cc1632-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment. We have rehearsed this issue at each stage of the Bill and I r...

Lord Marlesford | 794 c1633 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Prevent is an important part of the Government’s anti-terrorism strategy. We have heard...

Baroness Warsi | 794 cc1633-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with the leave of the House—and I have spoken to both our Front Bench and the clerk—I w...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 794 c1634 (Link to this contribution)

I read the noble Baroness’s book with great interest and I am glad to see that she is now taking ...

Baroness Warsi | 794 cc1634-5 (Link to this contribution)

As the noble Lord is aware, I took part in the Bill’s Second Reading debate and made my views cle...

Lord West of Spithead | 794 c1635 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may say to the noble Baroness that it is not that every part of the Muslim community ha...

Baroness Warsi | 794 c1635 (Link to this contribution)

That is the point. When Prevent has been applied correctly and has been led by and with the commu...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 cc1635-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. As the noble Lord, Lord West, h...

Lord West of Spithead | 794 c1637 (Link to this contribution)

Everything the noble Baroness is saying supports the importance of Prevent, which I think all nob...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 cc1637-8 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble Lord will indulge me, I was about to explain how the Prevent programme is evolving a...

Lord Stunell | 794 c1638 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister able to tell us when the preceding meeting of the oversight board was held, and w...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c1638 (Link to this contribution)

I am not, but I suspect the noble Lord, Lord Carlile, can.

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 794 c1638 (Link to this contribution)

I can. The previous meeting—and the noble Lord is making a fair point—took place 18 months previo...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c1638 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Carlile, and I think that is right. If this debate has done nothing ...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 794 c1638 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt again, but can the Minister also deal with the point made by the noble Lo...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 c1638 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is absolutely right, and that team is growing. I think my noble friend Lord Marles...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 794 c1639 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to the debate today, in particular the ...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 794 c1639 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Anderson of Ipswich

32A: After Clause 20, insert the following new Clau...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 794 cc1639-1643 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group have their origins in a fact admitted by the Government, p...

Lord Paddick | 794 c1643 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support the amendments in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Anderson of Ipswic...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 794 c1643 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the first thing to say is that organisations can apply to be de-proscribed; that should...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 794 c1643 (Link to this contribution)

I did not mean to interrupt the noble Lord mid-sentence but, on a point of information, the Minis...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 794 c1644 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to my noble friend, who is more up to date than I am. My understanding is that...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 794 c1644 (Link to this contribution)

I may have misunderstood the noble Lord and I am grateful to him for giving way. If he is objecti...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 794 c1644 (Link to this contribution)

The last paragraph would remain: a record would have to be placed before Parliament. What I am co...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 794 c1645 (Link to this contribution)

In my view, it is implicit in the publication of each such decision that decisions have to be rea...

Lord Garnier | 794 c1645 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it might encourage my noble friends on the Front Bench to do as the noble Lord, Lord Ca...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 794 cc1645-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this issue was also looked at in detail in Committee. The noble Lord, Lord Anderson of ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 794 cc1646-1650 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments return to an issue raised with some force by the noble Lord, Lord Ande...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 794 cc1648-1651 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lords, Lord Paddick, Lord Carlile, and Lord Kennedy of Southwark, and ...

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