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Tenant Fees Bill

Lords committee stage first day. Clauses 1 to 32 agreed to. Schedule 1 under consideration.

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793 cc167-228GC 

Session

2017-19

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Committee stage

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Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Tenant Fees Bill 2017-19. Brought from the Commons.
Thursday, 6 September 2018
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee thirty-fifth report.
Wednesday, 17 October 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Fookes | 793 c167GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am always required to announce that should there be a Division in the House, we will ...

Baroness Grender | 793 c167GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Grender

1: Clause 5, page 4, line 32, at end insert—

“(2) The...


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Baroness Grender | 793 cc167-9GC (Link to this contribution)

In moving Amendment 1, I shall speak also to Amendment 17. First, I thank the Minister and his of...

Lord Shipley | 793 cc169-170GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 18. I remind your Lordships that I am a vice-president of th...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 cc170-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as this is my first contribution to today’s proceedings, I draw the attention of the Gr...

Earl of Lytton | 793 cc171-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I have not spoken at all on this Bill, perhaps it is right that I declare my interes...

Baroness Grender | 793 c172GC (Link to this contribution)

In this case, it is not a question of fault. The tenants have offered to pay the cost of the refe...

Earl of Lytton | 793 cc172-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I accept entirely what the noble Baroness said; I am glad that we are probably much more ad idem ...

Lord Best | 793 cc173-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interests as set out in the register, in particular that with my wife I am...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 793 c174GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as a landlord. I think one’s week rent is fairly good and clear a...

Baroness Grender | 793 c175GC (Link to this contribution)

I believe that the noble Baroness is talking about the use of deposits at the end of a tenancy, w...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 793 c175GC (Link to this contribution)

I accept what the noble Baroness says but I think she will find that a deposit is usually paid by...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 cc175-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords very much for participating in the debate on this part of the Bill....

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c176GC (Link to this contribution)

On the point about slowing the legislation down, the Bill will come into force. Most of the provi...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 c177GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is right up to a point. That is the case but, obviously, it would be extended if w...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c177GC (Link to this contribution)

Could the noble Lord address guidance again? This will come up again and again as we go through t...

Baroness Grender | 793 c178GC (Link to this contribution)

May I contribute to that question by saying that it has already been done with regard to default?...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 c178GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, those are two very separate points. On guidance versus regulations, the noble Lord will...

Baroness Grender | 793 c178GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister, especially for agreeing to take a look at multiple holdings. I look forward...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c178GC (Link to this contribution)

On the guidance, I accept the noble Lord’s point that it is a question of judgment and that he ca...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 c178GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not sure that I do accept that. It is different in nature: some things are better ...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c179GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Kennedy of Southwark

2: After Clause 5, insert the following new Clause...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 cc179-180GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 2 seeks to enable a deposit to be transferred to another landlord or letting ...

Lord Shipley | 793 cc180-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is attached to Amendments 15 and 16 in this group. Amendment 2 is a very reason...

Earl of Lytton | 793 cc181-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very pleased that these amendments have been tabled. They enable me to make one or...

Lord Best | 793 c182GC (Link to this contribution)

I support the amendment on transferable deposits. It is an absolutely commendable concept. How ca...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 793 c182GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the question of how much deposit you can pay back immediately to a tenant is a difficul...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 cc183-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords who have participated in this debate. In particular, I thank th...

Lord Shipley | 793 c184GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may ask the Minister two questions on points I raised earlier. The first is t...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c185GC (Link to this contribution)

On a similar point, we understand that in the Queen’s Speech the Government mentioned a period of...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 c185GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords for those points. The consideration was around the notion of an upper limit, ...

Earl of Lytton | 793 c185GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in connection with what was mentioned earlier about tenants who do not have a particula...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 c185GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am happy to pass that on to the working group, but one has to be careful what one wis...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c186GC (Link to this contribution)

I want to come back to deposits. I accept that it is not easy to sort out, but a tenant in the pr...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 c186GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord will know that I have a lot of sympathy with that point, not only in thi...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c186GC (Link to this contribution)

In the Queen’s Speech, the cap was announced as four weeks. The Government have looked at this an...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 c186GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is good to see the noble Lord being so supportive of the Queen’s Speech, on this occ...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c186GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for that. I will leave it there and seek to withdraw the amendment, but it...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c187GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Kennedy of Southwark

3: After Clause 5, insert the following new Clause...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 cc187-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 3 seeks to shine some light on the whole process for the benefit of landlords...

Lord Shipley | 793 c188GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly express my support for the amendment. It seems to be extremely helpful. ...

Earl of Lytton | 793 cc188-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the first part of this amendment is, to put it bluntly, a no-brainer. It is perfectly r...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 793 c189GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the Minister knows, I am very concerned that people are letting their flats for shor...

Lord Best | 793 c189GC (Link to this contribution)

I would like to offer a word of support for the intent behind this proposed new clause. Perhaps t...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 cc189-190GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who participated in the discussion on Amendment 3. I will seek ...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c190GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that. I hope he can help us with a couple of points. He said earlier tha...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 c191GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very happy to. On the point made by the noble Lord—in relation not just to respons...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c191GC (Link to this contribution)

Obviously, at this stage I will withdraw the amendment. I just want to address the points made by...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c191GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Kennedy of Southwark

4: After Clause 7, insert the following new Clause...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 cc191-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 4 and 5 in my name are concerned with enforcement in respect of the costs in...

Lord Shipley | 793 cc192-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am interested to hear the Minister’s response to this. Of the two amendments, Amendme...

Lord Young of Cookham | 793 cc193-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the co-pilot is in charge of this leg of the legislative journey, so there might be som...

Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 793 c194GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, although an answer was given earlier by the other Minister, why in a Written Answer to ...

Lord Young of Cookham | 793 c195GC (Link to this contribution)

As my noble friend the Minister said a few moments ago, the Bill covers assured shortholds and ot...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c195GC (Link to this contribution)

Before I withdraw my amendment, can the Minister tell me something about the amount of money prov...

Lord Young of Cookham | 793 c195GC (Link to this contribution)

About 125 trading standards offices could potentially be eligible for this. It would be wrong to ...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 cc195-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that answer. I accept that the money may not necessarily be divided up. ...

Lord Young of Cookham | 793 c196GC (Link to this contribution)

I hope the noble Lord will accept that, unlike other occasions when new responsibilities have bee...

Lord Best | 793 c196GC (Link to this contribution)

Will the proceeds of the financial penalties be hypothecated for more enforcement? Trading standa...

Lord Young of Cookham | 793 c196GC (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to give the noble Lord the assurance that he seeks that the money will be reimbursed t...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c196GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response, and all other noble Lords who spoke in the debate. At this...

Baroness Grender | 793 c196GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Grender

6: Clause 8, page 6, line 11, at end insert “, or

“(d...

Baroness Grender | 793 cc197-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the purpose of Amendment 6 is to allow tenants seeking repayment of illegal fees at the...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 cc198-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 6, moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Grender, would amend Clause 8, which is ...

Lord Deben | 793 c199GC (Link to this contribution)

I wonder if my noble friend will address the point raised by the noble Baroness when she referred...

Lord Young of Cookham | 793 cc199-200GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in this debate. The Bill proposes a number o...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c200GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was a little surprised at the Minister’s response on the question of compensation. We...

Lord Young of Cookham | 793 c200GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has a choice. He can have either a situation where the tenant gets the compensatio...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c201GC (Link to this contribution)

I think the Minister will find that, in other areas, people can be fined and be required to pay c...

Baroness Grender | 793 c201GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response, kind of. I gave four examples where, in industry, the Gove...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c201GC (Link to this contribution)

On my Amendment 8, if somebody has gone to a tribunal and the landlord has won then fair enough, ...

Lord Young of Cookham | 793 c201GC (Link to this contribution)

The defect in the noble Lord’s amendment is that, if the landlord won the appeal, he would still ...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c201GC (Link to this contribution)

Clearly, this must be a result of my poor drafting, as that was not my intention, which I hope I ...

Baroness Grender | 793 c202GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his olive branch, which I happily and heartily accept. I look forward to...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 793 cc202-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Committee will recall that, as a result of pressure in this House and following the...

Lord Palmer of Childs Hill | 793 cc206-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I pay tribute to the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter, for her imaginative use of Clause 21 ...

Lord Deben | 793 cc207-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I wonder if I can help the noble Lord. I know he always worries when I get up and say that I am g...

Lord Best | 793 c208GC (Link to this contribution)

I want to offer my support to the noble Baroness, Lady Hayter, who has done so well in getting us...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 c208GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I thank all noble Lords who participated in the debate, and the noble Baroness, ...

Lord Palmer of Childs Hill | 793 c208GC (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is emphasising the point that if the money held by these large organisations is in c...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 c209GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am absolutely clear on that. The cap that we are talking about will not be appropriat...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 793 c209GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister. I think he has said more than in our meeting. In our meeting, he said that ...

Lord Shipley | 793 c209GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Shipley

9: Clause 23, page 15, line 22, leave out subsection (2) and in...

Lord Shipley | 793 cc209-210GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this grouping is extremely important. The intentions behind my Amendment 9 and the amen...

Lord Haskel | 793 c210GC (Link to this contribution)

If Amendment 9 is agreed, I cannot call Amendment 10 because of pre-emption.

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c210GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 9, moved by the noble Lord, Lord Shipley, as we have heard from him, seeks to...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 c211GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords who have participated in the consideration of enforcement autho...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c211GC (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord accept that such guidance, compared with regulations, has less force behind i...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 c211GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has made that point before. I think it is a case of what is appropriate. I absolut...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c211GC (Link to this contribution)

I accept that the noble Lord believes that this is appropriate. However, my point is that you can...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 c211GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I suspect that we disagree on this point. There are many occasions when I agree with th...

Lord Shipley | 793 cc211-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have found what the Minister has said helpful but I do not feel that it is satisfacto...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c212GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Kennedy of Southwark

11: After Clause 24, insert the following new Clau...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c212GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 11 seeks to put a new clause into the Bill. If agreed, it would require the S...

Lord Young of Cookham | 793 cc213-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, for his amendment. I assure him that we plan to mo...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c214GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for that response and I am pleased with some of the commitments that he ha...

Baroness Barran | 793 c214GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Barran

12: Clause 25, page 17, line 12, at end insert—

“(3A) ...

Baroness Barran | 793 cc214-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment builds on the points raised by my noble friend Lady Jenkin in her speech...

Lord Shipley | 793 c215GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, very briefly, I spoke at Second Reading on the importance of exempting home-share schem...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c216GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am happy to have added my name to Amendment 12, proposed by the noble Baroness, Lady ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 cc216-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords for this amendment, in particular my noble friend Lady Barran. I wo...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c217GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can I be absolutely clear on what the Minister is saying? He will bring back on Report ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 c217GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope to engage with noble Lords ahead of that to discuss the way forward, but I am ke...

Baroness Barran | 793 c217GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend the Minister for his reassuring comments and warm reflections on the work...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c217GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Kennedy of Southwark

13: Clause 28, page 20, line 33, leave out “one ye...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 cc217-8GC (Link to this contribution)

In moving Amendment 13 I shall speak also to Amendment 14, which is tabled in my name. Both amend...

Baroness Grender | 793 cc218-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support these amendments. I have already raised my considerable concern about the tim...

Lord Young of Cookham | 793 cc219-220GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to noble Lords for taking part in the debate. They have made their impatience over ...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 c220GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for responding to the debate. I suppose that we will not agree, which is d...

Baroness Grender | 793 c220GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Grender

23: Schedule 1, page 24, line 30, leave out paragraph 4

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Baroness Grender | 793 cc221-4GC (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 23 takes us to the default payments issue, which, as the Minister is aware, we have dis...

Earl of Lytton | 793 cc223-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Grender, for raising this. I wondered slightl...

Lord Best | 793 c225GC (Link to this contribution)

I think we are all aware that if there is the possibility of a loophole being discovered, somebod...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 cc225-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 23, moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Grender, has my full support. It would ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 793 cc226-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who participated in the debate on this important section of the...

Baroness Grender | 793 c228GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister very much for that reply. I would of course welcome the opportunity to work ...

Lord Young of Cookham | 793 c228GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Committee has been sitting for nearly four hours, so I think that this might be a c...

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