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Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Monday, 29 October 2018, in the House of Lords, led by Earl Howe.
Lords committee stage first day. Clause 4 agreed to. Part 2 of 2.

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Reference

793 cc67-71 

Session

2017-19

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Ministry of Defence

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Committee stage

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House of Lords chamber
Counter-terrorism and Border Security Bill 2017-19. Brought from the Commons
Wednesday, 12 September 2018
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Second legislative scrutiny report: Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill. Human Rights Joint Select Committee eleventh report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 10 October 2018
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee thirty-fifth report.
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Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill. Constitution Committee (HL) fourteenth report.
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Rosser | 793 c67 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

18: Clause 4, page 3, line 10, leave out “prove” and insert “sta...

Lord Rosser | 793 c67 (Link to this contribution)

In Clause 4, new Section 58B, entitled “Entering or remaining in a designated area”, states that:...


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Baroness Hamwee | 793 cc67-1199 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I can ask both the noble Lord and the Minister a question: first, one to the Minister. Is...

Earl Howe | 793 cc1199-1200 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as we have discussed, the offence of entering or remaining in a designated area, which ...

Lord Judge | 793 c1200 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely troubled by the idea that new Section 58B(2) should have a different form of wordi...

Earl Howe | 793 c1200 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord. I was seeking to make the point that we must not div...

Lord Judge | 793 c1200 (Link to this contribution)

That is exactly how it reads. Any judge looking at this will say, “Good heavens, here is a situat...

Earl Howe | 793 c1200 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble and learned Lord, Lord Judge, has raised this, I cannot ignore what he has...

Earl Attlee | 793 c1200 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, did not my noble friend the Minister state that other similar offences were drafted in ...

Earl Howe | 793 cc1200-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend is quite right. “Prove” is used in some six other sections of the 2000 ...

Baroness Hamwee | 793 c1201 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord responds, I am not sure whether I heard the Minister correctly. It sounded ...

Earl Howe | 793 c1201 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I misspoke or misread, I apologise. I was seeking to say that, as long as a defendan...

Lord Rosser | 793 c1201 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response, other noble Lords who have participated in this debate and...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 793 c68 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Anderson of Ipswich

24: Clause 4, page 3, line 43, leave out “condition...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 793 cc68-1202 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 24 and 25 would recognise the highly exceptional nature of the designated ar...

Lord Judge | 793 c1202 (Link to this contribution)

I agree and have nothing to add.

Earl Howe | 793 cc1202-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Anderson, has helpfully explained, these amendments relate to t...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 793 c1203 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his thoughtful response. It made me wish that we had had a full consulta...

Baroness Hamwee | 793 c1203 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord withdraws his amendment, does he share my concern about the creation of a p...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 793 c1204 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness makes a very good point. It put me in mind of debates on the proscription of n...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 793 cc1204-69 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Anderson of Ipswich

26: Clause 4, page 4, line 6, after “must” insert “...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 793 c69 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments in this group are in the nature of a tightening up. New Section 58C(4) i...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 793 cc69-1205 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 26, in the names of the noble Lord, Lord Anderson of Ipswich, and the noble a...

Lord Paddick | 793 c1205 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 26 and 27 in the names of the noble Lord, Lord Anderson of Ipswich...

Earl Howe | 793 cc1205-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 26 and 27 would add to the existing requirement in the Bill that the Secreta...

Lord Anderson of Ipswich | 793 cc1207-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his very courteous response. I also thank the noble Baroness, Lady Willi...

Baroness Hamwee | 793 cc1208-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have debated Clause 4 pretty thoroughly. I will make just a couple of points and ask...

Earl Attlee | 793 c1209 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the power to designate an area is a significant power, as pointed out by the noble Lord...

Lord Stunell | 793 c1209 (Link to this contribution)

I should like to add to the remarks of my noble friend Lady Hamwee by making two points. First, i...

Earl Howe | 793 cc1209-1210 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is probably best if I write to the noble Baroness in response to her specific questi...

Baroness Hamwee | 793 c1210 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when the Minister writes, could he confirm that the “one month” in new Section 58B(3)(b...

Earl Howe | 793 c1210 (Link to this contribution)

I must correct myself. I did not mean a lunar month; I meant a calendar month.

Baroness Hamwee | 793 c1210 (Link to this contribution)

So it could be different depending on the month.

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