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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill

Lords committee stage eleventh day. Amendment to clause 19 debated and withdrawn. Clause 19 agreed to. Amendments to schedule 8 debated and withdrawn. Schedule 8 agreed to. Amendments to schedule 9 debated and withdrawn. Schedule 9 agreed to. Bill reported without amendment. Part 2 of 2.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

790 cc850-892 

Session

2017-19

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
European Union (Withdrawal) Bill 2017-19. Brought from the Commons.
Thursday, 18 January 2018
Bills
House of Lords
European Union (Withdrawal) Bill. Constitution Committee (HL) ninth report.
Wednesday, 24 January 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twelfth report.
Wednesday, 31 January 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
European Union (Withdrawal) Bill
Wednesday, 28 March 2018
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Wigley | 790 c850 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wigley

355B: Clause 19, page 15, line 18, at end insert “, subject to s...

Lord Wigley | 790 cc850-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall move Amendment 355B standing in my name and speak to Amendment 357ZA, also in m...


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Earl of Clancarty | 790 cc851-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I added my name to an amendment in this group. I spoke at length to a similar amendment...

Lord Adonis | 790 c852 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I completely understand the motivation of the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, and I am of cour...

Lord Wigley | 790 c852 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord understandably challenges the point, and he is right to do so, and I too would muc...

Lord Adonis | 790 cc852-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my understanding is that Greenland became independent of Denmark, so the situation was ...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 790 c853 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Wigley. Like the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, I thought that...

Lord Adonis | 790 c853 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend Lord Murphy has just made an ingenious suggestion. Under the Good Friday agreemen...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 790 cc853-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was intervened on and had not finished—in fact, I had barely started. The point is th...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 790 cc854-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, for the first time in these debates, I am, sadly, going to have to disagree with my gre...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 790 c855 (Link to this contribution)

I have the greatest respect for the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, but my head says that this will not ...

Lord Wigley | 790 c855 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord not accept that although it happened chronologically before the treaty of 199...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 790 cc855-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid it does not apply to 60 million of us. It did apply to 40,000 Greenlanders a long tim...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 790 c856 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it might be helpful if I, as a half-Dane, set out the position of Greenland. The noble ...

Viscount Waverley | 790 c856 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise for not being here at the start. I will say very briefly that one aspect ha...

Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 790 c856 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will intervene very briefly. Since the Maastricht treaty, 18 million people have been...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 cc857-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the words of those who tabled the amendments and their supporters, we hear the cry o...

Earl of Clancarty | 790 c858 (Link to this contribution)

I detect an elegiac and rather defeatist note in what the noble Baroness is saying. Has she read ...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 790 c858 (Link to this contribution)

Not only have I looked at that report and a number of other documents, but the noble Earl will ha...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c859 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at one stage I thought that, for the first time in many days, I was going to agree with...

Lord Dykes | 790 c859 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting at this juncture because the Minister has only just begun his intere...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c859 (Link to this contribution)

It is so utterly basic to the issue that it is difficult to conceive of many, if any, people who ...

Lord Adonis | 790 c859 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid I must disappoint the noble and learned Lord because I think we are continuing to agr...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c859 (Link to this contribution)

It is not in my gift. It would be a matter for international treaty negotiation between the Unite...

Baroness Altmann | 790 c859 (Link to this contribution)

As a point of interest, perhaps one should recommend to all pregnant mothers in Great Britain tha...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 cc859-860 (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to indulge in an issue regarding maternity at this stage. Let us try to keep focus...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c860 (Link to this contribution)

I shall just finish the sentence, so will the noble Lord please sit down? It would effectively pr...

Lord Wigley | 790 c860 (Link to this contribution)

I am very sorry to hear that this would prevent the Bill reaching the statute book. Notwithstandi...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c860 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the noble Lord did not pay good money for that opinion. He will perhaps elaborate on the p...

Lord Wigley | 790 c860 (Link to this contribution)

I will not come back after this intervention, but has he read the document to which I referred, o...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c860 (Link to this contribution)

I have not read the opinion in question, but I am not unfamiliar with the terms of the Vienna con...

Lord Wigley | 790 c861 (Link to this contribution)

If between now and Report he or his advisers have an opportunity to read that opinion and, having...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c861 (Link to this contribution)

I am perfectly content to look at the opinion.

Lord Davies of Stamford | 790 c861 (Link to this contribution)

I will take up a point that the noble and learned Lord was making before he took the very sensibl...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c861 (Link to this contribution)

The reality is that if Brexit takes place we will not continue to be EU citizens.

Lord Wigley | 790 c861 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to everyone who has participated in this short debate, particularly ...

Lord Goldsmith | 790 c861 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Goldsmith

358: Clause 19, page 15, line 21, at end insert—

“( ) I...

Lord Goldsmith | 790 cc861-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the purpose of this amendment is to prevent Section 6 coming into force until after the...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 790 cc863-4 (Link to this contribution)

My name is to this amendment, but I have little to say because the case for the amendment has bee...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 790 cc864-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am mystified as to why there is any controversy at all on this matter and why the Gov...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 790 c865 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise in the absence of my noble and learned friend Lord Wallace of Tankerness, who ha...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 790 c865 (Link to this contribution)

I think it was the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, who pressed this point. The answer we rec...

Baroness Smith of Newnham | 790 c865 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the noble and learned Lord. In a sense, that puts us in an even more diffic...

Duke of Montrose | 790 c866 (Link to this contribution)

I had a son who worked in the European Court. As far as I understand it, if an issue comes up whi...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 790 c866 (Link to this contribution)

There will be no United Kingdom judge: when we are not members of the European Union, we are not ...

Lord Vinson | 790 c866 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the ECJ works at a snail’s pace. There will be a massive amount of undigested legislati...

Lord Pannick | 790 c866 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment. One of the primary purposes of the Bill is to promote legal c...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 790 c866 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too support this amendment. I will be very brief. It seems that if the Government try...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 cc866-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am obliged to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Goldsmith, for raising the issue of Cl...

Lord Dykes | 790 c867 (Link to this contribution)

Presumably that means, too, that because there are so many gigantic individual subjects to be agr...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c867 (Link to this contribution)

The Government’s objective is to conclude a withdrawal agreement by October of this year. That ha...

Lord Beith | 790 c867 (Link to this contribution)

The noble and learned Lord has been quite clear that it will be the withdrawal Bill that is the m...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c868 (Link to this contribution)

We have been clear that the withdrawal agreement and implementation Bill will legislate for the w...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 790 c868 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has just been paying tribute to the delicacy of the drafting of the noble and learne...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c868 (Link to this contribution)

It is not a question of difficulty; it is a question of how we have decided to approach dealing w...

Baroness Ludford | 790 c868 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister not appreciate the absurdity some of us feel? As the noble Lord, Lord Hannay, p...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c868 (Link to this contribution)

I sympathise with the idea of being left in a somewhat surreal position. As I said at the outset ...

Lord Cormack | 790 c868 (Link to this contribution)

Does my noble friend not think of Sir Thomas More:

“I trust I make myself obscure”?

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c869 (Link to this contribution)

I often think of Sir Thomas More, but not on this occasion.

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 790 c869 (Link to this contribution)

I find it rather hard from the Cross Benches and as a non-politician to make this point, but I wo...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c869 (Link to this contribution)

There is no betrayal and no perfidy, but I feel misrepresented by the noble Lord because he said ...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 790 c869 (Link to this contribution)

I hate to add to the surreal nature of this, but the formula “Nothing is agreed until everything ...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c869 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are engaged in a bilateral negotiation; it has not yet concluded. This Bill is desig...

Baroness Altmann | 790 c869 (Link to this contribution)

Will my noble friend clarify for the Committee, if nothing is agreed until everything is agreed a...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c869 (Link to this contribution)

Because that addresses a distinct issue, which is the exit date from the EU. It is quite distinct...

Lord Pannick | 790 c870 (Link to this contribution)

It is plain and obvious that nothing is agreed, but can the noble and learned Lord be clear with ...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c870 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure I agree with the term “red lines”; it is not one that I am inclined to use. I am ne...

Lord Goldsmith | 790 c870 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there have been moments during the 11 Committee days that we have had so far on this Bi...

Lord Goldsmith | 790 cc870-1 (Link to this contribution)

The 11th hour of the 11th day, as my noble friend Lady Hayter says. If we had had a breakthrough,...

Lord Pannick | 790 c871 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Pannick

358C: Schedule 8, page 55, line 33, leave out sub-paragraphs (1...

Lord Pannick | 790 c872 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is in my name and those of three other members of your Lordships’ Consti...

Lord Beith | 790 cc872-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am glad to be associated with the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, in supporting this amendm...

Lord Goldsmith | 790 c873 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment. There is not much to add to what the noble Lord, Lord Pannick,...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 cc873-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am obliged to noble Lords. I begin by making two observations. These amendments are linked clos...

Lord Beith | 790 c874 (Link to this contribution)

The noble and learned Lord is being reasonable, but he is inviting us to presume that we have mov...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 cc874-5 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the noble Lord’s point. He appreciates the statements of intent that we have made wi...

Lord Wallace of Saltaire | 790 c875 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, since we have returned to the subject of Henry VIII powers, I would like to inform the ...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c876 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, our constitutional position has altered over the last few years—say, the last 500—and,...

Lord Goldsmith | 790 c876 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord announces the fate of his amendment, I have a question for the Minister. He...

Lord Keen of Elie | 790 c876 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot give the noble and learned Lord an answer as to dates, but clearly we are concerned to e...

Lord Pannick | 790 cc876-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord, who I have always regarded as a true Renaissance Min...

Lord Lisvane | 790 c877 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lisvane

365: Schedule 8, page 64, line 33, leave out from first “time” ...

Lord Lisvane | 790 cc877-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can hear the strains of the “Farewell” Symphony as we prepare to tackle the penultima...

Lord Goldsmith | 790 c878 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment and am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Lisvane, for bringing ...

Lord Callanan | 790 cc878-880 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Lisvane, for introducing this amendment, which stands also in the na...

Lord Lisvane | 790 c880 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister and to his Opposition shadow for what they have said...

Lord Adonis | 790 c880 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Adonis

372: Schedule 9, page 67, leave out line 38

Lord Adonis | 790 cc880-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it appears to fall to me to move the 372nd and last amendment to the Bill. By my calcul...

Lord Pannick | 790 c882 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened with admiration to the contributions of the noble Lord, Lord Adonis, th...

Lord Liddle | 790 c882 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to intervene briefly to support my noble friend Lord Adonis, and I do this...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 790 cc882-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand that that political point can be shortly made and it would dispense with a...

Lord Adonis | 790 c883 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that it is not consequential that the repeal of the 2011 Act under this sched...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 790 c883 (Link to this contribution)

That does not prevent the repeal of the 2011 Act being consequential on the main provision in thi...

Lord Dykes | 790 cc883-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, one has distinct memories of the European Union Bill and it then becoming an Act. The n...

Baroness Altmann | 790 cc884-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the 2011 Act was introduced by the elected Chamber for the express purpose of safeguard...

Baroness Ludford | 790 cc885-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted to take part in this the last debate of the Committee stage, and I am gr...

Lord Faulks | 790 c886 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a piece of political opportunism. The context of the 2011 Act, as those who wer...

Lord Goldsmith | 790 c887 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it must be unprecedented to have such a long and well-attended debate on what is almost...

Lord Adonis | 790 c887 (Link to this contribution)

Can my noble and learned friend give his view on whether it is appropriate that the 2011 Act shou...

Lord Goldsmith | 790 cc887-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is perfectly appropriate, although I do not like the word “appropriate”, as we all know. Perha...

Lord Callanan | 790 cc888-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, after 115 hours of Committee debate, as observed by the noble Lord, Lord Lisvane, it is...

Lord Adonis | 790 c889 (Link to this contribution)

If I could have a last celebratory intervention on the Minister in Committee, can he indicate to ...

Lord Callanan | 790 c889 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to give the noble Lord a precise date at this time. We will wait until the legislat...

Lord Adonis | 790 c889 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister indicating that the Government may repeal the 2011 Act in advance of the repeal o...

Lord Callanan | 790 c889 (Link to this contribution)

I will not comment any further on the repeal date, I am afraid, no matter how many times the nobl...

Lord Liddle | 790 c889 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is saying things that directly contradict what the Prime Minister has said: that we ...

Lord Callanan | 790 c890 (Link to this contribution)

I will not accept that point. We have not agreed anything yet. We are still to have those negotia...

Lord Liddle | 790 c890 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister saying that he rejects what the Prime Minister said in her Mansion House speech?<...

Lord Callanan | 790 c890 (Link to this contribution)

Of course I am not saying that. I am saying that we are in the process of conducting a negotiatio...

Lord Adonis | 790 c890 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am immensely grateful to the noble Lord for the gift of the Adonis nut bar. I tried t...

Lord Dobbs | 790 c890 (Link to this contribution)

I found one of these nut bars the other day. It has lots of impenetrable small talk and carried a...

Lord Adonis | 790 c891 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have always disregarded health warnings on the grounds that one would never eat anyth...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 790 c891 (Link to this contribution)

It cannot happen until immediately after Parliament has passed a Bill fixing a date for leaving t...

Lord Adonis | 790 c891 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we might not leave the European Union next year. We have not enacted the legislation to...

Baroness Ludford | 790 c891 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord agree that there is no relationship between exit day and the repeal of the Eu...

Lord Adonis | 790 c891 (Link to this contribution)

That is the precise point. The big question that the Minister would not answer—I do not think he ...

Lord Goldsmith | 790 c892 (Link to this contribution)

To clarify, I did not say that. I deliberately did not express a view as to whether that argument...

Lord Adonis | 790 c892 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, those legal proceedings will by definition cease if the 2011 Act is repealed soon after...

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