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European Union (Withdrawal) Bill

Lords committee stage fourth day. New clauses debated and withdrawn. Amendment to clause 5 debated and withdrawn. Other amendments not moved. Part 1 of 2.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

789 cc833-898 

Session

2017-19

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
European Union (Withdrawal) Bill 2017-19. Brought from the Commons.
Thursday, 18 January 2018
Bills
House of Lords
European Union (Withdrawal) Bill. Constitution Committee (HL) ninth report.
Wednesday, 24 January 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twelfth report.
Wednesday, 31 January 2018
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
European Union (Withdrawal) Bill
Monday, 5 March 2018
Parliamentary proceedings
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Sherlock | 789 c833 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Sherlock

29: After Clause 4, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Sherlock | 789 cc833-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 29 I shall speak also to Amendments 53, 120 and 336, all tabled in ...


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Lord Grocott | 789 c837 (Link to this contribution)

Just before my noble friend leaves Amendment 53, I will say that I have followed her almost entir...

Baroness Sherlock | 789 cc837-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is standard legal terminology, and I thank my noble friend for his question. It would mean hav...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 789 cc838-840 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 29 and the supporting amendments. My noble friend Lady Hamwee has p...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 789 cc840-1 (Link to this contribution)

As a family judge, I regularly tried international family cases, so I entirely agree with the nob...

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 789 cc841-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 29 and will speak briefly to Amendment 336, to which my name is att...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 789 cc842-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support my noble friend Lady Sherlock in this group of amendments. I apprecia...

Lord Farmer | 789 cc844-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise that this is the first time I have spoken during the passage of the Bill: I...

Baroness Ludford | 789 c845 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for giving way; I was anxious to ask him this before he sat down. I respec...

Lord Farmer | 789 c845 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for her intervention. I believe it will be better in the long run. We ...

Archbishop of York | 789 c845 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for giving way. He really needs to answer the question posed by the noble ...

Lord Farmer | 789 c846 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the most reverend Primate for his intervention. There is a requirement that our courts, a...

Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 789 c846 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way, but I have some doubts about his repeated asserti...

Lord Farmer | 789 cc846-8 (Link to this contribution)

Am I going to be able to make my speech? I thank the noble Lord for that intervention. I will be ...

Lord Liddle | 789 c848 (Link to this contribution)

This is not my area of expertise, but it seems to me that the noble Lord, in his very detailed sp...

Lord Farmer | 789 cc848-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for another intervention. They are a matter of negotiation and finding the...

Baroness Kennedy of the Shaws | 789 c849 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry that I was not here at the beginning of the discussion on this amendment. My...

Lord Farmer | 789 cc849-850 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for her intervention. Perhaps I can speak to her afterwards concerning...

Lord Carlile of Berriew | 789 cc850-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Farmer, is rightly respected for his expertise on a number of subj...

Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale | 789 c851 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much welcome the amendment in the name of my noble friend Lady Sherlock, and the...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 789 cc851-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hoped that I would get an opportunity to intervene, as the person who first presented...

Baroness Deech | 789 cc852-3 (Link to this contribution)

May I ask the Minister a few questions, because I suspect that his response is going to proceed o...

Lord Keen of Elie | 789 cc853-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am obliged. “Reciprocity” was the term used and emphasised by the noble Baroness, Lad...

Lord McConnell of Glenscorrodale | 789 c855 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for giving way. Of course discussions are taking place between officials in ...

Lord Keen of Elie | 789 cc855-6 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot say that agreements are being reached at this time because we are only setting out on th...

Baroness Ludford | 789 c856 (Link to this contribution)

In his lengthy reply, the Minister appears to perpetuate some of the misunderstanding that underl...

Lord Keen of Elie | 789 c857 (Link to this contribution)

With respect, neither I nor the Prime Minister misunderstood any of that. With great respect, I w...

Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 789 c857 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely understand the response the noble and learned Lord gave to the effect that you can, of...

Lord Keen of Elie | 789 c858 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to repeat the observation I made earlier: these difficult cases are resolved, for exam...

Baroness Sherlock | 789 cc858-860 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have contributed and the Minister for his reply. When I tab...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 789 c860 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb

30: After Clause 4, insert the following new C...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 789 cc860-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this very amendment has been debated in the other House and was voted down by 18 votes....

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 789 cc861-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it gives me great pleasure to follow the noble Baroness—I am sure we will have another ...

Lord Hain | 789 c863 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness is making a very compelling argument about the agricultural and livestock issu...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 789 c863 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for that point. He is much more familiar with Northern Ireland an...

Baroness O'Neill of Bengarve | 789 c863 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I too find the word “phytosanitary”—the Brussels term—a bit of a nuisance. “Biosecurity...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 789 cc863-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the noble Baroness and I think she confirmed the need for physical checks. ...

Baroness Bakewell of Hardington Mandeville | 789 cc864-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Moulsecoomb, on Amendment 30, to which I ha...

Lord Wigley | 789 c867 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have my name to Amendment 30, which I will address in a moment, but before doing so I...

Lord Deben | 789 c867 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure the noble Lord is aware that there is only one vet in an abattoir who is not a national...

Lord Wigley | 789 cc867-8 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely—I accept that entirely. I was painting the picture that had been depicted by the noble...

Lord Deben | 789 cc868-871 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as the owner of a few Red Poll cattle, which are the local cows o...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 789 cc869-873 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, on introducing the amendment very clearl...

Viscount Ridley | 789 c872 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is repeating a point he made last week about American agriculture. I let it pass t...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 789 cc872-4 (Link to this contribution)

I will come to the relevance to EU withdrawal in a moment. I will just say that I feel that I hav...

Lord Bowness | 789 cc874-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, noble Lords will be pleased to know that I will be brief. I put on record my support fo...

Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 789 c875 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my support to this important amendment, which has received widespread support fro...

Lord Teverson | 789 cc875-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lady Bakewell was absolutely right to talk about Britain as a country o...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 789 cc877-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to speak to my own amendment in this group, as well as supporting the other amen...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 789 c878 (Link to this contribution)

Does my noble friend agree that the excuse that the Government cannot accept this amendment becau...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 789 c878 (Link to this contribution)

That is our position: we should have this amendment now but work on it in the longer term. I am s...

Lord Callanan | 789 cc878-880 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been an excellent debate and I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to i...

Lord Deben | 789 c880 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend has said that the reason we are not including that part of the article which is e...

Lord Callanan | 789 c880 (Link to this contribution)

Because we do not think that Article 13 works in the context of UK law; it applies only to EU law...

Lord Wigley | 789 c880 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister emphasised that he hoped this would be brought forward by Report. If it is not, woul...

Lord Callanan | 789 cc880-2 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to give the noble Lord an exact commitment but, as I have said, we hope to have it ...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 789 cc882-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response and all noble Lords who have contributed to the d...

Lord Pannick | 789 c883 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Pannick

31: Clause 5, page 3, line 11, leave out subsections (1) to (3)...

Lord Pannick | 789 cc883-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 31 and 33 arise again out of a report from your Lordships’ Constitution Comm...

Baroness Morris of Bolton | 789 c885 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if Amendment 31 is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 32 for reasons of pre-emption.

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 789 c885 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when I first heard of a Pannick amendment, I thought it was something like an emergency...

Lord Dykes | 789 c886 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by very quickly thanking the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, for his comments—with wh...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 789 cc886-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are now looking again at the principle of supremacy and status. I agree with a great...

Lord Beith | 789 c888 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lady Bowles has identified a problem that goes beyond what the committe...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 789 cc888-890 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree very substantially with my noble friend Lord Pannick’s general approach. Any at...

Lord Campbell of Pittenweem | 789 c890 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can be brief. I wish to support the various submissions made by the noble Lord, Lord ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 789 cc890-1 (Link to this contribution)

I indicated at Second Reading that I would support the propositions that the noble Lord, Lord Pan...

Lord Adonis | 789 c891 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when we last debated this issue, the Advocate-General for Scotland said that he was ver...

Lord Goldsmith | 789 cc891-2 (Link to this contribution)

We need to speak from these Benches as well.

The noble Lord, Lord Pannick, made a powerful ...

Lord Keen of Elie | 789 c892 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am obliged for all the contributions and for the opportunity to respond to this debat...

Lord Goldsmith | 789 c892 (Link to this contribution)

I was referring to the different proposals by the Constitution Committee and the Bingham Centre, ...

Lord Keen of Elie | 789 cc892-4 (Link to this contribution)

Then I reassure the noble and learned Lord that we are all intent on arriving in the same place; ...

Lord Pannick | 789 c894 (Link to this contribution)

It is more fundamental than that. The difficulty is, why use the concept of the supremacy of EU a...

Lord Keen of Elie | 789 c894 (Link to this contribution)

Not necessarily in the context of retained EU law, which comes over with that principle of suprem...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 789 c894 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister moves on to the consequences, perhaps I might draw his attention to the statu...

Lord Keen of Elie | 789 cc895-7 (Link to this contribution)

First, with respect to the noble Baroness, I do not accept that the way in which environmental la...

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted | 789 c897 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may make an observation. Leaving general principles out of it, if you categorise all th...

Lord Keen of Elie | 789 c897 (Link to this contribution)

I am obliged to the noble Baroness for that observation. Obviously, that is something that we wou...

Lord Pannick | 789 c897 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, “case-by-case basis” suggests lots of work for lawyers and a lot of legal uncertainty....

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 789 c897 (Link to this contribution)

Did my noble friend hear Paul Craig say at a seminar, as I did, that it would take four competent...

Lord Pannick | 789 cc897-8 (Link to this contribution)

Well, it depends. How long is a piece of string—how long does it take EU lawyers to allocate? But...

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