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House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) (Abolition of By-Elections) Bill [HL]

Debate on bills on Friday, 8 September 2017, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Grocott. The answering member was Lord Young of Cookham.
Lords second reading. Agreed to on question. Bill committed to a Committee of the Whole House.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

783 cc2151-2186 

Session

2017-19

Legislative stage

Second reading

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Proceeding contributions

Lord Grocott | 783 c2151 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, just a year ago I introduced a Bill with exactly the same objective as the one I am pro...

783 c2151 (Link to this contribution)

Hear, hear!


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Lord Grocott | 783 cc2151-4 (Link to this contribution)

Well, I will give the answer—and I hope that Members will give their answers during their speeche...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 783 c2154 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as a hereditary Peer I have a brief say at the beginning of this debate. We have a long...

Lord Trefgarne | 783 cc2154-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, has said, this Bill is very similar, if not identical,...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 783 c2155 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have noticed that the most ardent defenders of the status quo are certain noble Lords...

Lord Trefgarne | 783 c2155 (Link to this contribution)

I would have to reflect on that question before I answered it.

My Lords, against the backgr...

Baroness D'Souza | 783 cc2155-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall begin by making it clear that there is nothing ad hominem about this debate. We...

Lord Rennard | 783 cc2157-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, “It feels like ‘Groundhog Day’,” is an expression that is bound to be used as we debate...

Baroness Taylor of Bolton | 783 c2158 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. Does he think it significant, as the previous spe...

Lord Rennard | 783 c2158 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that intervention; that is a highly significant point. It is very clear that so...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 783 c2158 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for giving way. The noble Lord, Lord Rennard, was, like me, appointed to t...

Lord Rennard | 783 c2158 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord considers it a whim—I suspect many other noble Lords would disagree. There are at ...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 783 cc2158-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support the Bill, moved so ably and wittily by my noble friend Lord Grocott. ...

Lord Snape | 783 c2159 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend for giving way. Can he tell the House whether he would like to e...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 783 c2159 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to refer to the noble Lord, Lord Snape, as my noble friend, but I am not sure whether...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 783 c2160 (Link to this contribution)

Something witty to say in our speeches. My noble friend Lord Grocott has some help to do that, al...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 783 c2160 (Link to this contribution)

Previous speakers have gone on even longer. Turning to the Bill, I will just say that I strongly ...

Lord Cope of Berkeley | 783 cc2160-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord has got a whole series of different complaints which are not relevant to...

Earl of Caithness | 783 c2161 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I regret the introduction of the Bill, but not as much as I regret the fact that we hav...

Earl of Caithness | 783 cc2161-2 (Link to this contribution)

No, I listened to the noble Lord for 12 minutes and I only have five.

The noble Lord, Lord ...

Lord Pannick | 783 cc2162-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the Bill. The House should be very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, ...

Lord Cormack | 783 cc2163-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, introduced the Bill with his customary wit and made an ex...

Lord Brabazon of Tara | 783 cc2164-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when I was elected one of the 90 in 1999, I never supposed that I would still be here 1...

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 783 c2165 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I only wish that other noble Lords were prepared to give that same assurance. We might ...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 783 c2165 (Link to this contribution)

Surely the effect of an election is that you sort out the best candidates.

Lord Anderson of Swansea | 783 cc2165-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am not wholly sure that that is always the position in the House of Commons, and, given the sma...

Lord Elton | 783 cc2166-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak as an elected hereditary Peer. I was elected not by my party but by the whole H...

Baroness Berridge | 783 cc2167-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, begin by applauding the hard work of hereditary Peers in this House, such as my...

Earl of Erroll | 783 cc2169-2170 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am in favour of reform of the methods of getting into the House of Lords, but this Bi...

Lord Mancroft | 783 c2170 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are two main premises to this Bill. The first is that the hereditary Peers’ by-el...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 783 c2170 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord agree with me that it would be appropriate for Members to pay attention to th...

Lord Mancroft | 783 c2170 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Lord for his comments, as I always am. I will pass them...

Earl of Erroll | 783 c2171 (Link to this contribution)

It is Questions that should not be read, not speeches.

Lord Mancroft | 783 cc2171-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not wish to get involved in that debate. The one initiated by the noble Lord, Lord...

Viscount Trenchard | 783 c2172 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as an elected hereditary Peer who voted for the passage of the House of Lords Act 1999,...

Lord Pannick | 783 c2172 (Link to this contribution)

Following those arguments, does the noble Viscount think that we should have more hereditary Peer...

Viscount Trenchard | 783 c2173 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I mentioned, I voted for the passage of the House of Lords Act as a reasonable compr...

Lord Snape | 783 cc2173-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I join noble Lords on both sides of the House in congratulating my noble friend on brin...

Lord True | 783 cc2175-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am too polite to return the noble Lord’s words to him, but his entertaining speech ra...

Lord Tyler | 783 cc2176-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, very sincerely on his persistence and on h...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 783 cc2178-9 (Link to this contribution)

For a second time, it is my pleasure to congratulate my noble friend on the Bill and to give it a...

Lord Elton | 783 c2179 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Baroness subscribe to the view of the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, that our births we...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 783 cc2179-2180 (Link to this contribution)

Well, we are all here by that way.

This is an appointed House: it just depends on the centu...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 783 c2180 (Link to this contribution)

Can the noble Baroness deal with the point made by my noble friend Lord True? Should this Bill go...

Baroness Hayter of Kentish Town | 783 cc2180-1 (Link to this contribution)

I have answered that. I said a few moments ago that it has already been done because of the numbe...

Lord Young of Cookham | 783 cc2181-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is good to start this season of Private Members’ Bills with a traditional number—one...

Lord Young of Cookham | 783 cc2183-4 (Link to this contribution)

The committee has been asked to examine practical and politically viable options for reducing the...

Lord Grocott | 783 cc2184-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to the debate and massively grate...

Lord Mancroft | 783 c2185 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not displaying nostalgia; I was reflecting upon the very real fact that the natur...

Lord Grocott | 783 c2185 (Link to this contribution)

I advise the noble Lord to stop digging. This wondrous independence and spirit of quality and int...

Lord Snape | 783 c2185 (Link to this contribution)

Will my noble friend accept the perception of my views at that time? He has come along very well ...

Lord Grocott | 783 cc2185-6 (Link to this contribution)

I saw no arguments in favour of the by-elections, apart from the one that I really want to put to...

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