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Policing and Crime Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Wednesday, 9 November 2016, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage (fourth day, part two). Clauses 119-120, as amended, agreed to. Clauses 121-143 and Schedule 16, agreed to.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

776 cc1191-1284 

Session

2016-17

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Policing and Crime Bill 2015-16 to 2016-17
Tuesday, 14 June 2016
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee third report.
Wednesday, 6 July 2016
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee fourth report.
Friday, 9 September 2016
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Legislative scrutiny: (1) Children and Social Work Bill; (2) Policing and Crime Bill; (3) Cultural Property (Armed Conflicts) Bill. Human Rights Joint Committee third report.
Wednesday, 12 October 2016
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 c1191 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen

209A: Clause 119, page 134, line 34, at end inse...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 cc1191-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments relate to alcohol licensing. In particular, they introduce two new pro...


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Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 776 cc1193-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the Minister to her place and thank her for the manner in which she introduce...

Baroness Henig | 776 c1195 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support the noble Baroness, Lady McIntosh of Pickering, and to put on record how excell...

Baroness Grender | 776 cc1196-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, back the words of our able chair on this Select Committee, the noble Baroness, ...

Baroness Hamwee | 776 c1197 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had assumed when I saw these amendments that there must be quite a degree of urgency ...

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 776 c1197 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, briefly, I am also one of the members of the Select Committee under the great guidance ...

Lord Rosser | 776 c1197 (Link to this contribution)

The issue of the cumulative impact assessments was one that we pursued when the matter was discus...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 cc1197-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in this short debate. First, to answer my n...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 776 c1198 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the Minister for her reply, but can I just press her on the semantics? Coul...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 c1198 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot go further than I already have in saying that we will of course look very carefully at t...

Baroness Hamwee | 776 c1198 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps the noble Baroness can assist this Committee with the timing. I imagine that th...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 c1199 (Link to this contribution)

We will not pre-empt what the committee is going to say, so we have to wait until we hear from it...

Baroness Grender | 776 c1199 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has said we cannot deal in hypotheticals, and yet we are about to accept some amendm...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 c1199 (Link to this contribution)

I think I explained that the reason we proceeded with the amendments was because the alcohol prov...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 776 c1199 (Link to this contribution)

Can my noble friend confirm that these amendments were not discussed in the Commons? I do not bel...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 c1199 (Link to this contribution)

We want good legislation as well of course, and as I think I said, we will look carefully at the ...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 c1199 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen

209B: Clause 120, page 136, leave out lines 23 t...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 cc1200-1 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen

209C: After Clause 122, insert the following new...

Baroness Deech | 776 c1201 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Deech

210: After Clause 122, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Deech | 776 cc1202-3 (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 210 is in my name and the names of the noble Baronesses, Lady Thomas, Lady Pitkeathley ...

Baroness Thomas of Winchester | 776 cc1203-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is also on Amendment 210 which, as the noble Baroness, Lady Deech, has said, is...

Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 776 cc1204-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am also very pleased to add my name to Amendment 210 in the name of my noble friend B...

Lord Clement-Jones | 776 c1205 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 214A, which I believe is in the same group. I had rather ass...

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 776 cc1205-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is very kind of the noble Lord; I apologise for not being in my place. I shall spe...

Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 776 cc1208-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, during the Second World War, Archbishop William Temple once said:

“Whenever I tra...

Lord Wigley | 776 c1209 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise that I have not been able to take part in earlier discussions on this Bill....

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 776 c1209 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I now speak to Amendment 212, which is on placing child protection as a statutory consu...

Lord Clement-Jones | 776 cc1210-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a fascinating group of amendments, full of variety and suggestions of all kinds...

Earl of Clancarty | 776 cc1212-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in particular, I support the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Clement-Jones, Amendment...

Baroness McIntosh of Pickering | 776 c1213 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate noble Lords who have tabled and so eloquently moved and spoken to the am...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 cc1213-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have moved on to another part of the Bill. I should declare that I am an elected cou...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 cc1214-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 210, 211 and 214A in this group seek to add to the list of licensing objecti...

Lord Clement-Jones | 776 c1218 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not quite sure that the Minister has answered anything to do with Amendment 214A.<...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 c1218 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did. It may be that it was so dull a response that the noble Lord did not catch it. S...

Lord Clement-Jones | 776 c1218 (Link to this contribution)

I shall read her response, but it was very short.

Baroness Deech | 776 c1218 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lords who supported our Amendment 210, but clearly I am disa...

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 776 cc1218-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when I was speaking, the Minister was nodding so much that I thought she was agreeing w...

Lord Clement-Jones | 776 c1219 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I may have blinked and missed the extended response I am sure the Minister gave. Howeve...

Baroness Deech | 776 c1219 (Link to this contribution)

I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Lord Beecham | 776 cc1219-1220 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

214: After Clause 122, insert the following new Clause—

“...

Lord Beecham | 776 cc1220-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment stands in my name and that of the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of S...

Bishop of Salisbury | 776 cc1223-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, for moving the amendment. I stand in place of my ...

Lord Clement-Jones | 776 cc1224-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having put my name to this amendment, I support Amendments 214—and 214CA in the name of...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 776 cc1225-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 214, in the name of the right reverend Prelate the Bishop of St Alb...

Lord James of Blackheath | 776 cc1227-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking to Amendment 214 I should declare two interests. First, I ran a chain of ca...

Lord Paddick | 776 c1230 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall take a slightly different approach from that of the noble Lord, Lord Ashton of ...

Lord Rosser | 776 cc1230-1 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord James of Blackheath, for his contribution. I do not go into betting ...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 cc1231-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, and the right reverend Prelate explained, these amendm...

Lord Beecham | 776 cc1232-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for her reply, so far as it goes, which I fear is not very far at all....

Lord Moynihan | 776 cc1233-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Moynihan

214B: After Clause 122, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Moynihan | 776 cc1235-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 214B is the product of some 30 years of discussions I have had with successiv...

Lord Rosser | 776 cc1237-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Moynihan, has explained the purpose of this amendment and the exte...

Baroness Wheatcroft | 776 c1239 (Link to this contribution)

I support the amendment. I cannot claim to be an expert on sport, but my noble friend Lord Moynih...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 776 cc1239-1240 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the amendment. Like the noble Baroness, Lady Wheatcroft, I do not claim...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 cc1240-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Moynihan for raising the important issue of tackling doping...

Lord Moynihan | 776 cc1241-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all those who have participated in the debate and shall comment briefly on the ...

Baroness Berridge | 776 c1242 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Berridge

214C: After Clause 122, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Berridge | 776 cc1242-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 214C, I shall speak also to Amendment 214CB, both of which relate t...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 776 c1244 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Berridge, on tabling such a moderate amendment....

Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 776 cc1244-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Berridge, for bringing this amendment. I...

Earl Attlee | 776 cc1246-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder whether the Committee will permit me to speak even though I did not hear the s...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 776 c1247 (Link to this contribution)

What does the noble Earl mean by “serious accidents”? People are being killed and seriously injur...

Earl Attlee | 776 c1247 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I absolutely agree with the noble Baroness. Any alcohol whatever will to some extent ca...

Lord Paddick | 776 c1247 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am generally supportive of the amendments put forward by the noble Baroness, Lady Ber...

Baroness Berridge | 776 c1247 (Link to this contribution)

If I remember correctly from the statistics provided by the Minister at the meeting, 3% of the fa...

Lord Paddick | 776 cc1247-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Baroness for that explanation. To some extent, although it does n...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 776 c1248 (Link to this contribution)

I sometimes wonder about the priorities of this House and of government in considering these sort...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 cc1248-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 214C, moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Berridge, and supported by the noble ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 cc1249-1250 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I know that these amendments relate to concerns around the Government’s approach to dri...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 c1250 (Link to this contribution)

In this debate no one has said that we want to lower the penalties—just to lower the limits. We h...

Earl Attlee | 776 c1250 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the arguments proposed by noble Lords are ones we have heard for many years. The argume...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 776 c1250 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are not talking about the past but about now. We have an opportunity to do something...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 776 c1250 (Link to this contribution)

As my noble friend said, we are not talking about comparing ourselves with other countries, and n...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 776 c1251 (Link to this contribution)

Since we are having open season during this intervention in the Minister’s speech, could we also ...

Earl Attlee | 776 c1251 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the Minister will finish by saying that when we get the statistics from Scotland she will ...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 776 c1251 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are in Committee and we can do what we like. The noble Baroness, Lady Berridge, put ...

Earl Attlee | 776 c1251 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand the argument but the difficulty is that those offences could just be cause...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 cc1251-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can I intervene on myself? I totally understand what noble Lords are saying. I am not t...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 c1253 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister said that the statistics on what is happening in Scotland will be available shortly....

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 c1253 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the UK Government will look at them with great interest. There may be compelling eviden...

Earl Attlee | 776 c1253 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it seems that we will have to wait a very long time for these statistics, until summer ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 c1253 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we do not really have any jurisdiction to tell Scotland what to do about getting the st...

Baroness Berridge | 776 cc1253-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Jones, and the noble Lord, Lord Brooke of Alv...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 cc1254-8 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Williams of Trafford

214D: Before Schedule 16, insert the following...

Baroness Hamwee | 776 c1259 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

214DA: Clause 140, page 154, line 17, after “citizenship” in...

Baroness Hamwee | 776 cc1259-1260 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 140 provides for a requirement to produce a nationality document in the case whe...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 c1260 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness and the other members of the Joint Committee on Hum...

Baroness Hamwee | 776 c1260 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, four minutes has achieved more than I might have expected. I realise that perhaps, in r...

Lord Sharkey | 776 cc1260-1 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharkey

214E: After Clause 142, insert the following new Clause—

...

Lord Sharkey | 776 cc1261-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall also speak to Amendment 214F. Both amendments are in my name and those of the n...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 c1262 (Link to this contribution)

I intervene on the noble Lord to say that not only do the Government support this amendment, we s...

Lord Lexden | 776 cc1262-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a pleasure and, indeed, an honour to support the amendments tabled by my noble fr...

Lord Cashman | 776 cc1263-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments from the noble Lord, Lord Lexden, extending the provisions to ...

Earl Attlee | 776 c1265 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support the general thrust of these amendments because the underlying...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 cc1265-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been an important debate and I am pleased to be able to respond on behalf of t...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 cc1267-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to be able, on behalf of the Government, to warmly welcome Amendments 214E...

Lord Cashman | 776 c1268 (Link to this contribution)

I have listened with great interest and have two points to make. First, a pardon does not remove ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 cc1268-9 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord reminds me of a conversation that we had the other day. I quite happily undertake ...

Lord Sharkey | 776 c1269 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all those noble Lords who have spoken in favour of Amendments 214E and 214F, an...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 cc1269-1270 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Williams of Trafford

214F: After Clause 142, insert the following n...

Lord Lexden | 776 c1270 (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

Lord Lexden

214H: After Clause 142, insert the following new Clause—

...

Lord Lexden | 776 c1270 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the support that has been expressed by—for this purpose—my noble frie...

Lord Paddick | 776 c1270 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Paddick

214Q: After Clause 142, insert the following new Clause—

...

Lord Paddick | 776 cc1270-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with the leave of the House, I cannot let the opportunity go past without congratulatin...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 c1273 (Link to this contribution)

I have one question for the Minister when she responds to the noble Lord, Lord Paddick. Does she ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 776 c1274 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Paddick, has explained, Amendment 214Q seeks to confer a pardon...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 c1274 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister mean that she has no data here or no data at all?

Lord Paddick | 776 cc1274-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, from the Minister’s response I do not think she has quite grasped the essence of what t...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 cc1275-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen

215: After Clause 143, insert the following new ...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 c1279 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 143 provides for lifelong anonymity for all alleged or proven victims of forced ...

Baroness Berridge | 776 cc1279-1281 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 219CA. This lengthy amendment, which at the outset I accep...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 c1281 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Baroness, Lady Chisholm, told the Committee, this clause confers lifelong ...

Baroness Hamwee | 776 c1281 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we on these Benches very much support the noble Baroness’s amendment. She has obviously...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 cc1281-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend Baroness Berridge for explaining the purpose of her amendment. T...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 776 c1282 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the point the Minister is making about consent, difficult precedents, cohabitation a...

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 c1282 (Link to this contribution)

I was not suggesting that, just that there are difficulties—other reasons why it could be more di...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 776 c1282 (Link to this contribution)

What is the timescale for the review that the Minister mentioned?

Baroness Chisholm of Owlpen | 776 c1282 (Link to this contribution)

That is up to the review and we do not know yet.

Baroness Berridge | 776 cc1282-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the support from noble Lords. The first point I want to make is that the dispar...

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