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Wales Bill

Lords committee stage second day. Clauses 14 to 17 agreed to. Part 1 of 3.

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Reference

776 cc899-928 

Session

2016-17

Department

Wales Office

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

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House of Lords chamber
Wales Bill 2016-17. Brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 13 September 2016
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee fifth report.
Wednesday, 19 October 2016
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Wales Bill
Monday, 7 November 2016
Parliamentary proceedings
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Wigley | 776 c899 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wigley

23: After Clause 13, insert the following new Clause—

“App...

Lord Wigley | 776 cc899-901 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, after that rush of enthusiasm for the Wales Bill, I rise to move Amendment 23, which st...


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Lord Rowlands | 776 cc901-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as honorary president of the National Training Federation for Wal...

Baroness Gale | 776 c903 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had a very interesting debate. The noble Lord, Lord Wigley, and my noble friend...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 cc904-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have participated in the debate on the amendment. I thank the n...

Lord Rowlands | 776 c905 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that the way it is going to be delivered in England is through this so-called...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c905 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is right in the sense that the essence of devolution is that if the policy is devo...

Lord Wigley | 776 c905 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will press the Minister further on this. Does he accept that, for the Welsh Governmen...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c905 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this was precisely the point that I was dealing with. As I said, I will get a note roun...

Lord Crickhowell | 776 c905 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt. It is, of course, satisfactory that the Minister will write to...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c906 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not quite sure what my noble friend wants me to say, other than that, as I have ju...

Lord Wigley | 776 c906 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Bourne, for his response, but he must be feeling ...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 776 cc906-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move that Clause 17 does not stand part of the Bill and in so doing apologise ...

Baroness Humphreys | 776 cc908-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before contributing to this Clause 17 stand part debate, I apologise to the Committee, ...

Lord Wigley | 776 cc909-910 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for this opportunity to speak on Clause 17, which the noble Lord, Lord Mu...

Lord Morgan | 776 cc910-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not intended to intervene in this debate but I should like to make two points. Fi...

Lord Crickhowell | 776 c911 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I find myself agreeing with the noble Lord, Lord Morgan, on the subject of referendums ...

Baroness Randerson | 776 cc911-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the powers on income tax are one of the most important aspects of the Bill. As the Mini...

Lord Kinnock | 776 cc912-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in a tiny way this is a historic occasion: it is the first time in my recall that I div...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 776 c913 (Link to this contribution)

It might be helpful to recollect that when the referendum on devolution took place in Scotland, t...

Lord Kinnock | 776 c914 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord. At the time, I almost rejoiced in the full implement...

Lord Crickhowell | 776 c914 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord said that it was a great constitutional change and dismissed the argument advanced...

Lord Kinnock | 776 cc914-5 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the noble Lord. Certainly we have not only a constitutional but an electoral arrange...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 776 c915 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I might correct the noble Lord on a point of slight detail. The Scottish National Party, ...

Lord Kinnock | 776 c915 (Link to this contribution)

I accept the point entirely. I can respond to it only by saying that I await, without bating my b...

Lord Wigley | 776 c915 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord very kindly talked of our consistency on these matters; I also respect his consist...

Lord Kinnock | 776 cc915-6 (Link to this contribution)

I say to the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, who I respect greatly, that it would be—without oversimplif...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 776 cc916-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wonder whether I can assist the noble Lord, Lord Kinnock, in his final question by te...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 776 cc917-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will briefly emphasise a point strongly implied by my noble friend Lord Kinnock but p...

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 776 cc918-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was 12 in 1979 when we had the first referendum on whether we wanted devolution to co...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c919 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way. I do not think that she is speaking in favour...

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 776 c919 (Link to this contribution)

I am not speaking in favour of the amendment because of the next amendment. We need an increase i...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 cc919-920 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have participated in this debate. For the sake of clarity—I cor...

Lord Kinnock | 776 c920 (Link to this contribution)

I asked the noble Lord for justification of the change in the law that would be implied by the en...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c921 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I disagree with the noble Lord on this point. I remember the same argument being put fo...

Lord Kinnock | 776 c921 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord recognise that to justify his contention about the movement of opinion in Wal...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c921 (Link to this contribution)

No, it does not. Rather the reverse, it showed that opinion in Wales had changed much more than p...

Lord Crickhowell | 776 c921 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of detail, it was suggested that there was a Welsh Conservative manifesto commitment. ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c921 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful for that clarification. I do not think I had read it either. It is a...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 776 c922 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously, I shall not oppose the clause standing part, but I shall make two points in response t...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 776 c922 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord seems to think that this is about additional income tax but we are talking about t...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 776 cc922-3 (Link to this contribution)

I had not quite finished my remarks—I thought the noble Lord was intervening on me. The issue is ...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 776 c923 (Link to this contribution)

In Committee, I think I am entitled to speak as many times as I wish. I apologise to the noble Lo...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c923 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very happy to supply the information that I gave previously at Second Reading, whe...

Lord Wigley | 776 c923 (Link to this contribution)

I will press the Minister for clarification. Of course, if 10p is transferred over there will be ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c923 (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely right. The National Assembly for Wales doing something imaginative to raise in...

Lord Kinnock | 776 c923 (Link to this contribution)

On the issue of taxation levied on the people of Wales, will the Minister spend a moment explaini...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c924 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are being taken in a direction completely off the particular provision in the Bill. ...

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 776 c924 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Morgan of Ely

24: After Clause 17, insert the following new Clause—...

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 776 cc924-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to me this is one of the key clauses in the whole Bill. I have made no secret of my lac...

Lord Wigley | 776 cc925-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak briefly to Amendment 24 moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Morgan of Ely, w...

Lord Crickhowell | 776 c926 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not sure that I know what the upper limit should be. However, I sympathise with th...

Baroness Randerson | 776 cc926-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, undoubtedly £500 million is an anachronistic figure. As has been said several times thi...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 776 c927 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the figure of £500 million, set as the limit for borrowing by the Welsh Government, is ...

Lord Berkeley of Knighton | 776 c927 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if EU investment in south Wales suffers, as some of us fear it might, we could find our...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 cc927-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords who have participated in the debate on Amendment 24, and I than...

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 776 c928 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for those undertakings. I was particularly pleased to hear that the amount...

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