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Wales Bill

Lords committee stage second day. Clause 3 agreed to as amended. Part 3 of 3.

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776 cc980-1021 

Session

2016-17

Department

Wales Office

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Committee stage

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House of Lords chamber
Wales Bill 2016-17. Brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 13 September 2016
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee fifth report.
Wednesday, 19 October 2016
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Wales Bill
Monday, 7 November 2016
Parliamentary proceedings
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 776 c980 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Morgan of Ely

38: Clause 3, page 2, line 28, after “7A)” insert “an...

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 776 cc980-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, many amendments have been put together in this group, but I will focus in the first pla...


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Lord Elis-Thomas | 776 cc983-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my amendments in this group are all focused on attempting to ensure that the legislativ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 cc984-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Morgan of Ely and to the noble Lord, Lor...

Lord Wigley | 776 c988 (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 82 was discussed in the other place and the Minister gave the same assurance to my coll...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c989 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think I follow the noble Lord’s point. It is obviously a hallmark of good legislation th...

Lord Wigley | 776 c989 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps we could discuss it further.

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 cc989-990 (Link to this contribution)

I shall be very happy to discuss it further with the noble Lord.

The inclusion of exception...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 776 c990 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Elis-Thomas, in introducing his Amendments 77 and 78, did not expa...

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 776 c990 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his comprehensive answer. There is a lot to digest.

It g...

Lord Wigley | 776 c991 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wigley

42: Clause 3, page 2, line 40, at end insert—

“(c) relates...

Lord Wigley | 776 cc991-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 42 relates to the Welsh community in Patagonia, which is located entirely wit...

Lord Crickhowell | 776 c992 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, a good many years ago I and my wife visited the Welsh settlement in Patagonia. We were ...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 776 c992 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, while I share the aspirations of the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, I would like to ask him a...

Lord Wigley | 776 c992 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. Education in Chubut is a wholly devolved matter in Argentina. The state legislature of Ch...

Lord Morgan | 776 c992 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, what the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, said is totally correct. Y Wladfa, the Welsh communit...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c993 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, for introducing the amendment and other noble Lord...

Lord Wigley | 776 c993 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank everyone who contributed to this short debate and am grateful for the positive ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c994 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

42A: Clause 3, page 3, line 3, leave out “paragra...

Lord Elis-Thomas | 776 c994 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Elis-Thomas

43: Clause 3, page 3, leave out lines 5 and 6

Lord Elis-Thomas | 776 cc994-5 (Link to this contribution)

I have always believed that constitutional legislation in any state should be intelligible, or as...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 776 c995 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have huge sympathy with what the noble Lord, Lord Elis-Thomas, just said. Why have th...

Lord Crickhowell | 776 c995 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have every sympathy for what has been said about consolidation. My difficulty is more...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 776 cc995-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to the second of these amendments, but I should have added it to b...

Baroness Gale | 776 cc996-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, by now, after the contributions that have been made, the Minister will be quite clear t...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 776 c997 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am a lawyer, but I have no idea what Clause 3(5) means. I look forward to the Ministe...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 776 c997 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend Lady Randerson. I was getting my names mixed up for a moment. She said the other ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 cc997-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords for their participation in this part of the Bill. Through these ame...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 776 c998 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to my noble friend Lady Randerson. What she said on the first day in Committee, which...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c999 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is a commercial opportunity there. I commend the noble Baroness, Lady Randerson, ...

Lord Crickhowell | 776 c999 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to intervene again, but I thought I was being pretty stupid at a late hour at night wh...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c999 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I believe it means—and I will write to noble Lords if I am incorrect in this, as I may ...

Lord Elis-Thomas | 776 c999 (Link to this contribution)

I am, of course, disappointed by the Minister’s response, but I should be disappointed at least o...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 776 c999 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Elystan-Morgan

45: After Clause 3, insert the following new Clause—

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Lord Elystan-Morgan | 776 cc999-1002 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these two amendments, Amendment 45 and Amendment 46, are intended to stimulate thought—...

Lord Wigley | 776 cc1002-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my friend, the noble Lord, Elystan-Morgan, on Amendment 45, which he moved so...

Lord Murphy of Torfaen | 776 c1004 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I yield to no one in my admiration for my noble friend Lord Elystan-Morgan, but althoug...

Lord Thomas of Gresford | 776 cc1004-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is really heart-warming to hear my noble friend Lord Elystan-Morgan—and I call him that—go bac...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 776 c1006 (Link to this contribution)

Will the noble Lord accept my word for it that I am not in any way advocating any jurisdiction fo...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 776 c1006 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will not embark on a personal excursion into Welsh history. However, apropos the exce...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 cc1006-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have participated in the debate on this part of the Bill. I par...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 776 c1007 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on the question of dominion status, I was tempted to make the mischievous point that fo...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c1008 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

47A: Schedule 1, page 46, line 45, leave out from...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 cc1008-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, turning to the next group of amendments, I am pleased to speak, first, to government Am...

Lord Crickhowell | 776 c1009 (Link to this contribution)

On this very point, at Second Reading I asked the Minister to explain why it appeared that powers...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 cc1009-1011 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall deal with that briefly before I resume. I recall my noble friend raising this a...

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 776 c1010 (Link to this contribution)

I think the noble Lord has decoupled that amendment. We will deal with heating and cooling at a d...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c1010 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise. I am grateful for the intervention. In that case, I have dealt with our amendments. ...

Lord Wigley | 776 c1010 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have great personal respect for the Minister, as he well knows, but it is absolutely ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c1012 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the noble Lord. Had he got up at an earlier stage I would have happily given way t...

Lord Wigley | 776 cc1012-4 (Link to this contribution)

I accept entirely the Minister’s point that they have been grouped in this way, but when I realis...

Baroness Randerson | 776 cc1014-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I greatly regret that we are discussing one of the key features of the Bill at this ver...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 776 cc1016-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I know that the hour is late. I want to endorse the sentiment expressed so clearly just...

Lord Howarth of Newport | 776 cc1017-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is simply demeaning for Wales that public order and policing should not be devolved....

Baroness Morgan of Ely | 776 cc1018-1020 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I know it is very late, but this a critical group of amendments. This is the first time...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 cc1020-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, once again I apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Wigley, in particular. I was a victim of...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 776 c1021 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

47B: Schedule 1, page 48, leave out lines 21 to 2...

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