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Bus Services Bill [HL]

Lords committee stage second day. Amendments discussed, some made. Part 2 of 3.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

773 cc1773-1806 

Session

2016-17

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Bus Services Bill (HL) 2016-17
Thursday, 19 May 2016
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee first report.
Wednesday, 15 June 2016
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2016-0624
Wednesday, 13 July 2016
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2016-0633
Thursday, 14 July 2016
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 773 c1773 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Kennedy of Southwark

34: Clause 4, page 15, line 43, at end insert—

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Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 773 cc1773-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 34 is proposed by me and my noble friend Lady Jones of Whitchurch. It would r...


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Earl Attlee | 773 cc1774-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, not-for-profit bus services, or community transport, cover a wide spectrum of services,...

Baroness Randerson | 773 c1775 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in contrast, I support the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, in his amendment, because I believ...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 773 c1775 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the comments of my noble friend. I had not intended to speak, but the noble E...

Earl Attlee | 773 c1775 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I can stimulate a contribution from the noble Baroness, I have done the Committee a ...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 773 c1776 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy, for his amendment, which would require franchisin...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 773 c1776 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister say a little more about why he thinks that this should be in guidance? He says ...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 773 c1776 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have already said that there are provisions within the Bill that protect that element...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 773 c1777 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure the Minister answered the point I was making there. I am thinking of organisations ...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 773 c1777 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think I can add any more. If the noble Lord feels that the strength of what the Governme...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 773 c1777 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that contribution. I will take up his kind offer to have a discussion ou...

Earl Attlee | 773 c1777 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

35: Clause 4, page 15, line 43, at end insert—

“(g) whethe...

Earl Attlee | 773 cc1777-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is all about compensation for loss of business, and its purpose is to ma...

Lord Berkeley | 773 cc1778-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am interested in the noble Earl’s comments about the poor small investor who has put ...

Lord Snape | 773 c1779 (Link to this contribution)

I have great sympathy with the amendment moved by the noble Earl, Lord Attlee. I have also listen...

Lord Berkeley | 773 c1779 (Link to this contribution)

I think that my noble friend is speaking for himself; he is not speaking for me.

Lord Snape | 773 cc1779-1780 (Link to this contribution)

I suspect that when we come to debate the future of the railway industry I will be speaking for m...

Baroness Randerson | 773 c1780 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I say in response to the noble Lord, Lord Snape, that of course the arguments he makes ...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 773 cc1780-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 35, which has been proposed by the noble Earl, Lord Attlee, is not one that I...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 773 cc1781-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend Lord Attlee for his amendment, which would require franchising ...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 773 c1782 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister say more about something I find hard to understand about the amendment? I am a c...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 773 c1782 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend tabled an amendment and it is right that we have a discussion in Committee. I hop...

Earl Attlee | 773 cc1782-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I have brought both Front Benches together, I have achieved something. Some noble Lo...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 773 c1783 (Link to this contribution)

I would never dream of having a go at my noble friend; I am merely thankful that he has given way...

Earl Attlee | 773 c1783 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend for that response and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment, subject to t...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 773 c1783 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Scott of Needham Market

41: Clause 4, page 16, line 26, after “an” ...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 773 cc1783-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment stands in my name and those of my noble friends Lady Randerson and Lord S...

Lord Snape | 773 cc1784-5 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to Amendment 43 in this group, which seems to do something similar to the amendme...

Lord Bradley | 773 c1785 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak briefly to Amendment 42 in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Berke...

Lord Shipley | 773 cc1785-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should first declare my vice-presidency of the Local Government Association. In princ...

Lord Berkeley | 773 c1786 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on the amendments that we have discussed in Committee, many noble Lords have said how i...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 773 c1787 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we very much support the intent of the first amendment introduced by the noble Baroness...

Lord Snape | 773 c1787 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend sits down—I am sorry that she finds herself unable to support what is, in ...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 773 c1787 (Link to this contribution)

Without wishing to get into a dialogue, I think that we felt that as long the role was prescribed...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 773 cc1787-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are a number of amendments in this group, all related to the audit function requi...

Baroness Randerson | 773 c1788 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord accept that it is not just a case of qualifications but of perceptions? It is...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 773 cc1788-9 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the noble Baroness inasmuch as it is important that it is not just the process, but ...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 773 c1789 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in the debate on this set of amendments, and...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 773 c1789 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness again raises a very valid point. Once we have established our full response to...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 773 c1790 (Link to this contribution)

It is certainly an issue of our time that perception is pretty much everything.

With that, ...

Lord Whitty | 773 c1790 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Whitty

44: Clause 4, page 17, line 24, leave out “such” and insert “Tra...

Lord Whitty | 773 cc1790-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a slightly odd group, although all the amendments in it deal with consultation ...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 773 c1791 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have four minor amendments in this group and wish to say a word or two about each of ...

Earl Attlee | 773 cc1791-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is very difficult to find anything to argue about with these amendments on consultat...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 773 cc1793-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 48 and 51 in my name. I very much support the amendment tabl...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 773 cc1794-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group contains a number of amendments to the consultation process that a franchisi...

Lord Whitty | 773 c1795 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the Department for Transport on being so forthcoming on this group of am...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 773 c1798 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon

50: Clause 4, page 18, leave out lines 5 and 6

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 773 c1798 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

54: Clause 4, page 19, line 6, after first “the” ...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 773 c1798 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to a group of amendments to Clause 4 and Schedule 2. Amendments 54 to 64 a...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 773 c1798 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have no problem with the amendment but I want some further clarification. As I said i...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 773 c1799 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very reasonable comment. My noble friend Lord Ahmad was asked a similar question during...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 773 c1799 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that it is a tidying-up exercise, but my point is that I am surprised that this could no...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 773 c1799 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that my follow-up is going to give any further clarity. I simply point out that the...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 773 c1799 (Link to this contribution)

That is fine. I will not pursue the point further, but for the Minister to come to the Dispatch B...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 773 cc1799-1800 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Younger of Leckie

55: Clause 4, page 19, line 15, after “the” inser...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 773 c1800 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch

58A: Clause 4, page 19, line 40, at end insert—...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 773 cc1800-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 58A and 99ZA call upon commissioners of bus services under franchise, and th...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 773 c1801 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very pleased to see that the noble Baroness has tabled this amendment. I raised th...

Lord Berkeley | 773 cc1801-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment, and will also speak to the others in the group—Amendments 58B...

Earl Attlee | 773 c1802 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure that these are sensible and valuable amendments for the Committee to consider...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 773 c1802 (Link to this contribution)

The point I was making was the government amendments that were tabled seemed to be making little ...

Lord Judd | 773 c1802 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, late or not, one has to look at the potential and the value of the particular amendment...

Lord Bradley | 773 c1803 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, very briefly, I also strongly support these amendments—late or not. We hear under the d...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 773 c1803 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, just to pick up on a couple of points, whenever you see something that can be improved,...

Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 773 c1803 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I received a letter on the questions about rural public transport, which I raised at Second ...

Lord Berkeley | 773 c1803 (Link to this contribution)

I received a lovely letter from the Minister, but only this morning.

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 773 cc1803-5 (Link to this contribution)

As long as it was lovely, that is the important point to bear in mind. I thank all noble Lords, p...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 773 c1805 (Link to this contribution)

I know the Minister is trying to be very helpful today and we are very grateful to him for that. ...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 773 c1805 (Link to this contribution)

In the interests of time, if the noble Baroness, Lady Scott, does not mind I shall share the lett...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 773 c1805 (Link to this contribution)

I think I got the letter, but I am afraid I not have actually read it yet. It arrived this mornin...

Lord Berkeley | 773 c1805 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, has the Minister told the Committee when the guidance might be published in draft ...

Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 773 c1805 (Link to this contribution)

Apparently I did not get the letter after all. I certainly got a letter from the Minister this mo...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 773 c1805 (Link to this contribution)

As I have reflected on before, while we are in the holy month of Ramadan, noble Lords should be t...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 773 cc1805-6 (Link to this contribution)

I think the Minister for his response and I thank all noble Lords who contributed. For a little w...

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