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Housing and Planning Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Wednesday, 23 March 2016, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage (ninth day, part two). Clause 144-151 agreed to. Motion to resume withdrawn. Clauses 152-183, 185-191, 193 and Schedules 14-19 agreed to. Clauses 184 and 192, as amended, agreed to. Bill reported with amendments.

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Reference

769 cc2439-2518 

Session

2015-16

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Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Housing and Planning Bill 2015-16. Brought from the Commons
Wednesday, 13 January 2016
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twentieth report.
Wednesday, 3 February 2016
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2016-0343
Friday, 8 April 2016
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Greaves | 769 c2439 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greaves

102CZA: After Clause 143, insert the following new Clause—

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Lord Greaves | 769 cc2439-2441 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a small issue, in a sense. It is a kite-flying amendment not directly related t...


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Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c2441 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Greaves for his amendment. The Government introduced the p...

Lord Greaves | 769 cc2441-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the last sentence of that reply. I am talking not about pooling Section 106 con...

Lord Greaves | 769 c2442 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greaves

102CA: Clause 144, page 73, line 17, leave out “related” and in...

Lord Greaves | 769 cc2442-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now move on to the part of the Bill that is about housing development linked to appl...

Lord Shipley | 769 c2444 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is associated with Clause 144 stand part, and I agree entirely with what my nob...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 769 cc2444-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Lord for setting out the basis of his amendment. This clause will...

Lord Greaves | 769 c2445 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for explaining the Government’s position in great detail. Having he...

Duke of Somerset | 769 c2446 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Duke of Somerset

102CK: Clause 144, page 73, line 40, at end insert—

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Duke of Somerset | 769 cc2446-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will also speak to the other amendments in this group. I do so on behalf of my noble ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 cc2448-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not want to exhaust the patience of the Committee but once again I draw attention ...

Lord Beecham | 769 c2449 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 103BB deals with a minor but to some people significant point, which is the c...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 769 cc2449-2450 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I turn to the detail of the compensation amendments, Amendments 102CK and 103BB, tabled...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c2450 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister said that he will write to the noble Duke. Can we all see a copy of that letter, and...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 769 cc2450-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am not in a position to make any guarantees this afternoon, but I will certainly include all no...

Lord Williams of Elvel | 769 c2451 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot see what attitude the Minister is taking towards the CLA amendments, as was ra...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 769 c2451 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, I believe it will be best for me to include the technical details in the letter that I...

Duke of Somerset | 769 c2451 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his very full reply and the two noble Lords who have contribut...

Lord Greaves | 769 c2451 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greaves

102CL: Clause 145, page 74, line 6, at end insert—

“( ) A...

Lord Greaves | 769 cc2453-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at last we arrive at perhaps the remaining flashpoint in the Bill. I rise to move Amend...

Lord Beecham | 769 cc2455-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I respectfully adopt most of the arguments advanced by the noble Lord in his critique o...

Lord Foster of Bath | 769 cc2458-2460 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, so often during our deliberations on the Bill we have been hampered by a lack of inform...

Lord Deben | 769 cc2460-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not wish to repeat the concerns I have had for some time over the amount of inform...

Lord Greaves | 769 c2462 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is very entertaining although I am not sure what his speech has to do with this Bi...

Lord Deben | 769 cc2462-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am so pleased that I tempted the noble Lord to intervene at that stage, because I can now tell ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c2463 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened very carefully to the noble Lord, Lord Deben. He seems to think that the pro...

Lord Borwick | 769 cc2463-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 102D. I declare many different property interests, both di...

Lord True | 769 c2464 (Link to this contribution)

This is a useful amendment. Perhaps I am tempted to intervene by the rodomontade of my noble frie...

Lord True | 769 cc2464-6 (Link to this contribution)

No—if the noble Lord had been here earlier, he would have heard that this came in at a very late ...

Lord Young of Norwood Green | 769 cc2466-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise primarily to speak to Amendment 102D, to which my name is attached, but I cannot...

Lord Carrington of Fulham | 769 c2467 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not intend to detain your Lordships’ House for very long on this; everything that ...

Baroness Jones of Moulsecoomb | 769 c2467 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support everything that has been said on this side so far and, in particular, Amendme...

Lord Porter of Spalding | 769 c2468 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I refer the Committee to my pre-declared bunch of interests. I do not know whether I ha...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 769 cc2468-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I recognise that it is late in the day to be contributing to this amendment but I have ...

Lord Shipley | 769 cc2469-2470 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Young of Old Scone. I have two amendments in abou...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 769 cc2470-1 (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords for their contributions to an extremely interesting debate. Before I resp...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c2471 (Link to this contribution)

What is to stop an applicant going to the contractor and saying, “Look, I won’t give the local au...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 769 c2471 (Link to this contribution)

The final decision on the application will be up to the committee. The noble Lord, Lord Beecham, ...

Lord Shipley | 769 c2472 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister confirm whether an independent council planning officer who is employed by that ...

Lord True | 769 c2472 (Link to this contribution)

The problem that my noble friend might reflect on is that paragraph 463 of the Explanatory Notes ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c2472 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister did not exactly reply to my question before. The applicant could go to the contracto...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 769 cc2472-3 (Link to this contribution)

I will respond to my noble friend first. It would be inappropriate to tell the planning inspector...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c2473 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, the Minister has not answered my question. I would like to see it answered before Rep...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 769 c2473 (Link to this contribution)

I will take that back and write to the noble Lord. I will respond on one other general point befo...

Lord Foster of Bath | 769 c2473 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry but the Minister specifically said yesterday that it would be before the House rises. ...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 769 cc2473-4 (Link to this contribution)

I will come back to that in a second, but as I say, we will be publishing the response by the end...

Lord Beecham | 769 c2474 (Link to this contribution)

I think the Minister has overlooked the fact that the amendment also refers to “public bodies” be...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 769 cc2474-5 (Link to this contribution)

My apologies. However, my argument stands. We want to encourage the private sector to be involved...

Lord Foster of Bath | 769 c2475 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise, but will the Minister answer my other question about the technical consultation? It ...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 769 c2475 (Link to this contribution)

I said earlier that we do not intend to force local authorities to outsource their functions. I w...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 769 c2475 (Link to this contribution)

I have given the noble Lord the answer that I can. I am sorry that he is unhappy with it. I will ...

Lord Greaves | 769 cc2475-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is a lot there to look at, read and think about. In the last argument there was s...

Lord Greaves | 769 c2477 (Link to this contribution)

I had to reply to the noble Lord, Lord Deben. I have one further point.

Lord Greaves | 769 c2477 (Link to this contribution)

It is a very constructive point. There is time to discuss this part of the Bill further before Re...

Lord Greaves | 769 c2477 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greaves

102DC: Clause 145, page 74, line 36, at end insert—

“( ) ...

Lord Greaves | 769 cc2477-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I put this in a separate amendment because I wanted it set out and because it is the fu...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 769 c2478 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, for putting this unexpected discussion b...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c2478 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, why can we not simply convert the first day of Report into a Committee day and have a p...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c2478 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hate to intervene because the hour is getting late. These matters are generally decid...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 769 cc2478-9 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord’s Amendment 102DC is excessive, not least because local authorities tell us that i...

Lord Greaves | 769 c2479 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will. That was extremely helpful and I will read it carefully. On that basis, I beg l...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 769 c2480 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, given that the Government Chief Whip has not yet arrived in the Chamber to explain what...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 769 c2480 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I argue that the House should not resume. Discussions are ongoing with the Chief Whip a...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 769 c2480 (Link to this contribution)

On the basis of that assurance that the Government Chief Whip will be joining us in about 10 minu...

Lord Greaves | 769 c2480 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greaves

102F: After Clause 145, insert the following new Clause—

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Lord Greaves | 769 cc2480-1 (Link to this contribution)

Briefly, my Lords, there were suggestions earlier from the noble Lord, Lord Deben, who is no long...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 769 c2481 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord and I will respond very briefly. We recognise that the process of getting ...

Lord Greaves | 769 c2481 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am happy to beg leave to do so.

Lord Harris of Haringey | 769 c2482 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government Chief Whip briefly appeared in the Chamber. I now see that the Leader an...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 769 c2482 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the noble Lord, Lord Harris, continues, for the benefit of the House I should li...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 769 c2482 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that this will be helpful. It is clearly progress and we all want to get on with this. ...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 769 c2482 (Link to this contribution)

It may be helpful for the noble Lord to know that is has been agreed with the usual channels to h...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 769 c2482 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure that that is the case, but I am not a member of the usual channels. There are...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c2482 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I might speak as the Minister who is on the Bill. We have spent many weeks on i...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c2482 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now have nine groups which has normally been a day’s work. Are the Government expect...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 769 c2483 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend has been very clear. Following discussions with the usual channels, my ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c2483 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to persist, but these are very important matters. Why does not the Leader of the House...

Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 769 c2483 (Link to this contribution)

I say to the noble Lord that the best thing for us to do now is just to continue with the work of...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c2483 (Link to this contribution)

That might be the view of the Leader of the House, but it is not my view. The House is being unfa...

Lord True | 769 c2483 (Link to this contribution)

I absolve the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, because he has been present for most of the Bill...

Lord Tunnicliffe | 769 c2484 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, for the convenience of the House I shall now seek, representing the opposition Chief Wh...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 769 c2484 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if it helps the House, given the assurance from my noble friend that these discussions ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 769 cc2484-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McKenzie of Luton

103: After Clause 151, insert the following new Claus...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 769 cc2485-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak briefly—that was the plan—to Amendment 103, tabled by my noble friends ...

Lord Taylor of Goss Moor | 769 cc2486-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 103A and 103B and in support of Amendment 103. Given the ho...

Lord Best | 769 c2487 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I intend to make myself extremely popular by not speaking to this amendment, other than...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 769 cc2487-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to speak to this group of amendments because I think they are very important. Ea...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 769 cc2488-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendments are indeed very timely. On Amendment 103, I say at the outset that I who...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 769 c2489 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lords, Lord Taylor and Lord Best, and my noble friend Lord H...

Lord Taylor of Goss Moor | 769 c2489 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously I will not seek to press these amendments but I very much welcome what the Minister sai...

Baroness Parminter | 769 c2490 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Parminter

103C: Clause 179, page 93, line 21, at end insert—

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Baroness Parminter | 769 cc2490-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the absence of the noble Baroness, Lady Andrews, who has a long-standing engagement ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c2491 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Parminter, for raising this very important issue in th...

Baroness Parminter | 769 c2491 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister most warmly for those very encouraging words. I shall obviously discuss the ...

Lord Skelmersdale | 769 cc2491-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Skelmersdale

104: After Clause 179, insert the following new Clause—

Lord Skelmersdale | 769 cc2492-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, after the last half hour, it goes without saying that we have had a long and exhaustive...

Lord Greaves | 769 c2493 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare my interest as the vice-president of the Open Spaces Society, as well as my o...

Baroness Byford | 769 cc2493-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment has my name attached to it. My noble friend has gone into the detail of ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 769 cc2494-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, we have concerns with the amendment. The Countryside...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 cc2495-6 (Link to this contribution)

I applaud my noble friend Lord Skelmersdale’s efforts to help those who face problems with a publ...

Lord Skelmersdale | 769 cc2496-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to my noble friend Lady Byford for staying so late, I believe at the...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 769 c2497 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I see the Chief Whip hovering and unless he is coming to the Dispatch Box now, I will b...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 769 c2497 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have had discussions in the usual channels, and we are going to be able to make quite...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c2497 (Link to this contribution)

Does bringing the amendments back on Report and debating them under Committee rules mean we will ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 769 c2497 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I do not think that the noble Lord understands exactly what I am saying. I would ...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 769 c2497 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have my name on one of the last two amendments and seek clarification from the Govern...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 769 c2498 (Link to this contribution)

I will be very happy if we resolve all these amendments this evening, but it has been suggested t...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c2498 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but it has now been explained that we will have only one opportunity prior to Third R...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 769 c2498 (Link to this contribution)

No, that was my first option because I understood that noble Lords were very keen to go away and ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c2498 (Link to this contribution)

We sat here until after midnight on Monday. The public outside should know that we sat here until...

Lord Newby | 769 c2498 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been a cause of trouble on the Bill, in that I was very keen that we finished ex...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 769 c2498 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think I have moved that the House do now resume. Can I just clarify before I decide w...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 769 c2499 (Link to this contribution)

I urge the noble Lord not to press his proposal that the House do now resume so that the Committe...

Lord Tope | 769 c2499 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Tope

105: Clause 183, page 95, line 15, after “authority” insert “outsi...

Lord Tope | 769 c2499 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 105 I will speak very briefly to Amendments 106 to 118. I am very g...

Baroness Valentine | 769 c2499 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Tope. Making better use of surplus public land represent...

Lord True | 769 c2500 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will not give the House a heart attack, but would the noble Lord consider before Repo...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 769 c2500 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I know that the noble Lord, Lord Tope, will be surprised at this, but I support his ame...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 769 cc2500-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, will try to be relatively brief. It is very good to be here at last; good thing...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 769 c2501 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the noble Lord, Lord Tope, decides whether or not to withdraw his amendment, can...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 769 c2501 (Link to this contribution)

I would be happy to discuss this with the noble Lord privately to explain our views. We believe i...

Lord Tope | 769 cc2501-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Valentine, for coming in to demonstrate ...

Lord Carrington of Fulham | 769 c2503 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before we proceed I have a question on Amendment 183. I do not intend to delay the Hous...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 769 c2503 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I sense that an answer is winging its way to me. I am aware of these concerns, and we w...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 769 c2503 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bridges of Headley

109A: Clause 184, page 96, line 33, after “means” in...

Lord Bridges of Headley | 769 cc2503-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move this amendment in the name of my noble friend Lady Williams. This is a mi...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c2504 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Williams of Trafford

118A: Clause 192, page 100, line 27, after “13...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c2504 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I propose to make a minor change to Clause 192, through Amendments 118A and 118B, to en...

Lord Greaves | 769 c2504 (Link to this contribution)

I think that 70 local authorities are taking part in the pilot scheme. I should declare that one ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c2504 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the regulations will apply to the pilot schemes.

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c2505 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Williams of Trafford

118B: Clause 192, page 100, line 32, leave out...

Baroness Parminter | 769 c2505 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Parminter

119: Clause 192, page 100, line 34, at end insert “, subj...

Baroness Parminter | 769 cc2505-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful that we have the opportunity to discuss these amendments this evening. Wh...

Lord Krebs | 769 cc2506-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak briefly to this because the noble Baroness, Lady Parminter, has made most...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 769 cc2508-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am conscious of the fact that noble Lords are dying for me to shut up, because I am p...

Lord Deben | 769 cc2509-2510 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as chairman of the Committee on Climate Change, and I rise to sup...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 cc2510-1 (Link to this contribution)

I support strongly Amendments 119 and 120, which are important. Before turning to them, I point o...

Earl of Liverpool | 769 c2511 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak—with the greatest brevity—in support of these amendments. My only reason f...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 769 cc2511-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to endorse the comments made by noble Lords from around the Committee on t...

Lord Porter of Spalding | 769 cc2512-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not know how to add this new interest into the debate, but at some point, I will h...

Lord Krebs | 769 c2513 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may respond briefly to that last comment. I do not think that Amendment 120 i...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 cc2513-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall deal first with some of the latter remarks. Following December’s floods, it was...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 769 c2514 (Link to this contribution)

Can I prevail upon the noble Baroness to write to us indicating which stakeholders she has taken ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c2514 (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly do that. We would also welcome suggestions from the Adaptation Sub-Committee bas...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c2514 (Link to this contribution)

I am not being unreasonable in asking this but have Ministers fully considered the effect that th...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c2515 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it depends where the culverts are. Clearly some are on private land and some are on pub...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 769 c2515 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to prolong the sitting but I should declare an interest as a former chief executive of...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c2516 (Link to this contribution)

I completely take the noble Baroness’s point, but I reiterate our point that local planning autho...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c2516 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Porter, sitting immediately behind the Minister, brought us into the world o...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 c2516 (Link to this contribution)

If I have interpreted my noble friend’s words correctly, he tells us that he lives in an area tha...

Lord Deben | 769 c2516 (Link to this contribution)

Can my noble friend explain why the Government are not willing at this stage at least to say they...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 cc2516-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend brings up a really important point, but some of these things will be di...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 769 c2517 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness said “shortly”. Is there any chance of it before Report?

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 769 cc2517-8 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think I can give that assurance, but I shall certainly try to put a timescale on it befo...

Baroness Parminter | 769 c2518 (Link to this contribution)

Briefly, I thank the Minister for her recognition that the issue of sustainable homes is serious....

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