Housing and Planning Bill
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Moved by
Lord Beecham
38: Clause 2, page 1, line 12, leave out from “a” to end and in...
My Lords, I shall also speak to Amendments 39, 39A and 40 in this group.
“There is no speci...
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Once again I express the need for us to see, at a very early stage today, this document that sets...
I cannot answer that question, of course. I am not sure the Minister will be able to either, but ...
I have to inform your Lordships that if this amendment is agreed to, I cannot call Amendment 39 o...
My Lords, it is time for the Cross Benches to join in. Amendment 41A is in the names of the noble...
That is an area that confuses me. When we talk about repayment, who is actually being repaid? I c...
The Bill and my amendment leave open whether repayment would be to the local authority where the ...
My Lords, I support Amendment 41A, spoken to so ably by the noble Lord, Lord Best. I declare my i...
My Lords, before I speak briefly on Amendment 39A, I want to touch on the point that both the nob...
The noble Lord, Lord Young, said that in return for paying a slightly lower rent, they would effe...
I am reading from the briefing from Rentplus:
“The affordable rent to buy tenure addresses ...
My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 46. I support all the amendments in this group and the commen...
My Lords, I will comment very briefly on the remarks made by the noble Lord, Lord Kerslake, who m...
I am grateful for the opportunity to come back on this point. The noble Lord is entirely right to...
I entirely agree with that. My way would be to recognise that the sort of lift in the cap on borr...
My Lords, I am a signatory to Amendment 46. I want to refer to the report from Generation Rent, w...
I am sorry to intervene but I cannot understand how this would work. I am not trying to be critic...
I agree with the noble Lord. I am as concerned as he is about these matters. Of course, I had ass...
In terms of the perpetual restriction, does the noble Lord think that it would be possible to dis...
My Lords, that is a very helpful intervention and it could well be one way in which we could proc...
My Lords, I put my name to Amendment 41. I was going to list the range of various abuses that I f...
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for giving way. I just do not want to happen today what happened...
I do apologise; I meant Amendment 41A.
The point that everyone has made, including the nobl...
My Lords, might I ask the Minister a question following the powerful speeches from the Cross Benc...
I shall very briefly intervene on this occasion just to say that I only wish that Amendment 89L i...
My Lords, I have sat on my hands for a considerable while since we started in Committee this morn...
My Lords, I apologise: council duties earlier this week led me to miss the extremely interesting ...
My Lords, I accept the point about the manifesto commitment—we came in in 1997 in the same way. B...
My Lords, I respect the noble Baroness. We have heard from her many times today and if she would ...
My Lords, while listening to this debate I have been trying to get my mind around the mechanics o...
My Lords, I really like Amendment 41A but I believe the money should go to the local authority in...
I accept entirely that the recovery could be by the local authority rather than the Government.
My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Kennedy and Lord Beecham, for Amendments 38 and 39, and t...
The noble Lord, Lord Kerslake, challenged the Government’s figures on this question of affordabil...
I can, my Lords. We can all argue about statistics and, given that I have not seen the report, it...
In her earlier remarks, the Minister said that authorities could negotiate a higher discount on t...
Because the whole point of the starter home is that it will be available at a discounted level to...
That is very helpful, thank you. We used to hear from the Benches opposite about how local author...
I do not think that anything changes there. Nobody would promote any louder than I the view that ...
Will it be there next week?
I will try for next week and see what is in the art of the possible.
We have examined the a...
That is the figure being challenged.
That is the figure being challenged and we will return to it later but in the absence of seeing t...
Can I remind the Minister of my request to see a comparison of newly-built first-time purchases a...
I take it that the letters will be circulated to all Members taking part in the debate?
Absolutely, and they will be placed in the Library. I have the implied first-time price of new bu...
I am not saying that the current 20% Help to Buy support has not been helpful in the marketplace....
I thought that the noble Lord had said discounts, so I apologise if I misheard him. I think I nee...
In that case, why does the Minister think she needs a 20% discount on top of a 40% equity loan—wh...
My Lords, I think I have been over the arguments many times. As I say, this is a new product intr...
Would not such people still get the benefit of house price inflation, irrespective of the discoun...
My Lords, they would. But the principle behind the Government’s initiative is that within a few y...
My Lords, I am puzzled by what the Minister is saying. There are hundreds of thousands of young p...
My Lords, the noble Baroness asks who will benefit. Young people will benefit, and history shows ...
There is a critical point here, which has perhaps been missed. When a couple or an individual see...
My Lords, I think we are going to have to disagree on this. The noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours...
So people in this particular group who might be subject to deflation are again picked out to be t...
My Lords, this is all relative. When house prices come down, the next house up on the ladder will...
We all want people who work hard to move up the housing ladder, but the problem here is that this...
Can the Minister explain something? I think most of us would sympathise with trying to find the b...
My Lords, housing is an issue for government and there is a huge demand on housing in this countr...
I asked a Question this week about people on the living wage for whom homes are out of reach—peop...
I did not disagree with the noble Lord. I pointed out the various things that were available, suc...
There is Section 106.
There is Section 106, if it is viable for the scheme. There is £20 billion going into the housing...
For all the reasons I have outlined, because of the gap in the market. However, if people find it...
My Lords, could the Minister please explain who would be responsible for assessing market value?<...
My Lords, as I said this morning, we would expect an independent valuation to take place. That wo...
I ask the Minister to imagine a sale where a house is being sold on the second occasion. After th...
For “fixtures and fittings”.
The noble Lord makes an extremely valid point and I will ask about what the mechanism would be th...
My noble friend indeed makes a valid point. If people went on to do that, it would be fraudulent ...
I do not disagree. We would not want to introduce a system that was fraught with potential fraud....
But the easy way around that is that you pay £20,000 or £25,000 for the white goods and the carpe...
My Lords, I turn to Amendment 39A, which would enable Rent to Buy products to be considered as st...
Before the Minister sits down, I understand that Shelter will publish its data very shortly. I wa...
I can say to the noble Lord that we will certainly request that—he has been teasing us all aftern...
My Lords, I express the thanks of the House to the noble Baroness. She has had a long, difficult ...
Moved by
Lord Kennedy of Southwark
41: Clause 2, page 1, line 13, after “cap,” insert...
My Lords, when I first spoke today I should have drawn the House’s attention to my declared inter...
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 42 in my name, which would exempt councils that wish to rege...
My Lords, I add my support to what I think is an excellent amendment from the noble Baroness, Lad...
My Lords, I add my voice to the support for Amendment 42 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady ...
My Lords, I also agree with the underlying force of the amendments. They do not apply only to lar...
My Lords, I remind the House of my interest of chairing a company which tries to help people to d...
My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Kennedy, Lord Beecham and Lord Kerslake, and the noble Ba...
I apologise for intervening again, but there is a critical point to be made here. When you consid...
I take the noble Lord’s point that the requirement to deliver starter homes might affect the viab...
I just hope that my noble friend will remember that it is not just the green belt that I wish to ...
Yes, I understand my noble friend’s point. Under our proposals in the NPPF national planning poli...
On that point, the idea for this policy was originally to build on brownfield sites and get them ...
I am in total agreement with the noble Lord and with my noble friend. One thing we are testing is...
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in this short debate—the noble Baroness, Lady D...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
42A: Clause 2, page 2, line 4, leave out “has ...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
44A: Clause 2, page 2, line 16, after “regulat...
Moved by
Baroness Williams of Trafford
45A: Clause 2, page 2, line 21, at end insert—...
Moved by
Lord Cameron of Dillington
50A: Clause 4, page 3, line 16, at end insert—
My Lords, the two amendments in the group concern exception sites and, for the purposes of clarit...
My Lords, it will come as no surprise to my noble friend when I indicate that I have some support...
My Lords, as another of those involved in getting this policy in the first place, I remember the ...
I want to intervene very briefly. In the old days—certainly when the noble Lord, Lord Deben, was ...
They certainly could; the noble Lord is absolutely right. But they would have to exist in a way w...
If I remember rightly, under Section 52 agreements, that was precisely the case: the permission a...
My Lords, I remind the Committee of my interests as chair of Housing & Care 21. The noble Lord, L...
My Lords, I support both these amendments and declare my interest as a rural landowner. Although ...
Could the noble Duke repeat that?
I was under the impression that we had had two contrary replies. On one occasion the Minister sai...
My Lords, I think the noble Duke is referring to when I talked about second-home owners purchasin...
I thank the Minister. Surely it must be sensible to protect the 20% discount in perpetuity, as th...
My Lords, my name is on Amendments 50A and 50C and I rise to support my noble friend, Lord Camero...
My Lords, I am fully in support of both these amendments. I agree with virtually all the contribu...
My Lords, I also support these amendments. As a child and as a teenager, I was brought up in a vi...
My Lords, I wonder if I might intervene again. In some ways I find myself at odds with much of th...
My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Best, Lord Cameron, Lord Kennedy, and Lord Stoneham, and ...
Does the Minister have any idea yet whether she is talking about sites accommodating 12 or 20 hom...
I do not know but, as I said either earlier today or on Tuesday—the days are rolling together—I e...
I thank the noble Baroness for giving way—she has been very kind in that respect. Part of the pro...
Perhaps I may make another point about covenants, which many philanthropic landlords attach to th...
Forgive me for interrupting, but can the Minister tell us when we will know what the minimum size...
My Lords, I would strongly imagine that we are talking about numbers of units.
Does the Minister have any idea what sort of numbers she is talking about?
I do not. What I have said is that I strongly expect—although I do not know—that it would be very...
The Minister said that people living in rural communities should have the right to benefit from t...
I do not agree with much of what the noble Lord said. Obviously, the mix of tenures is essential,...
Before the noble Lord does that, and I have no doubt that he will, the Minister made some interes...
My Lords, I think it will be done through amended neighbourhood plans. It also may be done throug...
Under the starter home arrangements, I envisage in a village half a dozen or a dozen terraced hou...
My Lords, six terraced houses would be quite a small site size. It is important for noble Lords t...
Just one final point. I was pleased to hear that we may be agreeing after all; I am not sure that...
I think I addressed quite a lot of my remarks to the local test.
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords for their participation in the debate and for their nearly univ...
Perhaps I may intervene and say that before we go home in a really gloomy state of mind, I did ca...
As I say, I have no doubt that we will be able to discuss this between now and Report. In the mea...
Moved by
Lord Kennedy of Southwark
50F: After Clause 4, insert the following new Clau...
My Lords, I am conscious of the time. The amendment, tabled in my name and that of my noble frien...
My Lords, I support my noble friend in his Amendment 50F. If we do not do what my noble friend sa...
My Lords, Amendment 53, in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Shipley, calls for an annual ...
My Lords, I generally support both amendments, up to a point. On Amendment 50F, so ably moved by ...
My Lords, I support a great deal of what the noble Earl, Lord Lytton, has said about the importan...
My Lords, regardless of whether the Labour Front Bench brings this amendment back on Report, it s...
I support the noble Baroness opposite. This is not a sensible amendment and I am sure that my nob...
My Lords, this has been an interesting debate and I thank all of your Lordships who have taken pa...
My noble friend Lord Greaves was actually talking about the main Labour amendment and not Amendme...
I do apologise—I was trying to give him credit because I disagree with him on quite a lot of thin...
I think that the Minister was trying to stir up trouble on these Benches—I would not dare to cont...
I was not trying to stir up trouble—honestly, my Lords, it is getting a bit late for that. Amendm...
Before the noble Lord speaks, I have a question for the Minister. I am trying to work out how the...
My Lords, I think that they will be for future plans, because they will include starter homes, bu...
In that case, why is it necessary to do this? Why cannot any defect in relation to starter homes ...
My Lords, that is a very good question. Can I come back to the noble Lord on that?
My Lords, I thank everyone who has spoken in the debate this evening. My amendment was only a pro...
Moved by
Lord Kennedy of Southwark
53E: After Clause 7, insert the following new Clau...
My Lords, I will be as brief as I can. This amendment is in my name and that of my noble friend L...
My Lords, the noble Lord has just left me with a very horrible thought, but I thank him and the n...
I am very happy to withdraw my amendment, but want to place on the record our thanks from these B...