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Scotland Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Tuesday, 19 January 2016, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage (second day, part one). Clauses 34, 36-50 and Schedule 2 agreed to. Clause 35, as amended, agreed to.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

768 cc653-717 

Session

2015-16

Department

Scotland Office

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Scotland Bill 2015-16. Brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 10 November 2015
Bills
House of Lords
Scotland Bill. Constitution Committee (HL) sixth report.
Friday, 20 November 2015
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee fifteenth report.
Wednesday, 2 December 2015
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Davidson of Glen Clova | 768 c653 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Davidson of Glen Clova

43: Clause 34, page 33, line 18, leave out “may”...

Lord Davidson of Glen Clova | 768 cc653-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 46 standing in my name and that of my noble friend Lord...


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Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 768 cc655-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, a number of amendments in this group stand in my name and that of my noble friend Lord ...

Lord McCluskey | 768 c658 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to several of these amendments and I need add nothing to what has ...

Lord Gordon of Strathblane | 768 c658 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall intervene briefly on two points. First, as regards the discussion about “may” a...

Earl of Kinnoull | 768 cc658-660 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 45 and 47. First, I thank the Minister and his officials fo...

Lord Sanderson of Bowden | 768 c660 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the thrust of the amendments from the noble Earl, Lord Kinnoull. The Crown Es...

Earl of Dundee | 768 c660 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should also like to support these amendments, including those in the name of the nobl...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 768 c661 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I might raise a specific point which I had intended to raise under the group of...

Lord Lang of Monkton | 768 cc661-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, a number of points have been raised on this group of amendments. Amendment 43 refers to...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 768 cc662-3 (Link to this contribution)

Just as a footnote to the point that noble Lords have made about Fort Kinnaird, one can see from ...

Lord Mackay of Drumadoon | 768 c663 (Link to this contribution)

As my name can be found in some proximity to the amendments that are being discussed in this open...

Lord Dunlop | 768 cc663-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all those who have contributed to this debate: the noble and learned Lords, Lor...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 768 c665 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way and for the way he is responding. Does he accept tha...

Lord Dunlop | 768 cc665-8 (Link to this contribution)

I note what the noble and learned Lord says, and I will reflect on his point; I am sure that we w...

Lord McCluskey | 768 c668 (Link to this contribution)

The Smith commission report states in paragraph 32 that what was to be transferred to the Parliam...

Lord Dunlop | 768 cc668-9 (Link to this contribution)

We feel that in the clause, in giving the Scottish Parliament the legislative competence but then...

Lord Davidson of Glen Clova | 768 c669 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a useful and quite technical discussion. I thank the Minister for his cla...

Lord Davidson of Glen Clova | 768 c670 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Davidson of Glen Clova

52: Clause 35, page 37, leave out lines 6 to 23 ...

Lord Davidson of Glen Clova | 768 cc670-1 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to the amendment standing in my name and that of my noble friend Lord McAvoy. Thi...

Lord Stephen | 768 cc671-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to the amendments in my name and that of my colleague, my noble and learn...

Lord Dunlop | 768 cc673-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I echo what the noble and learned Lord opposite and the noble Lord, Lord Stephen, said....

Lord Davidson of Glen Clova | 768 c676 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his explanations both generally and in relation to the Government’s tech...

Lord Dunlop | 768 c676 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dunlop

52AA: Clause 35, page 37, line 14, leave out “the Equality Act 2...

Lord Dunlop | 768 c676 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Dunlop

52CA: Clause 35, page 37, line 32, leave out from first “Act” to...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 768 c677 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Wallace of Tankerness

52F: Clause 37, page 39, leave out lines 22 and 2...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 768 cc677-680 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Stephen. It relates to th...

Lord Davidson of Glen Clova | 768 c678 (Link to this contribution)

I know that the noble and learned Lord is enthusiastic to get to his feet. We on this side see so...

Lord Keen of Elie | 768 cc678-682 (Link to this contribution)

I am obliged for the scrutiny that your Lordships’ House has given Clause 37, in particular to th...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 768 c682 (Link to this contribution)

The noble and learned Lord has not addressed Amendment 52H and what other tribunals it is anticip...

Lord Keen of Elie | 768 c682 (Link to this contribution)

That is, as it were, a known unknown at this stage. There are no particular tribunals in mind so ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 768 c682 (Link to this contribution)

On the point made by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Wallace of Tankerness, about taking cases f...

Lord Keen of Elie | 768 c682 (Link to this contribution)

I am obliged to the noble and learned Lord, Lord Mackay of Clashfern. First of all, of course, we...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 768 c683 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much thank the noble and learned Lord, Lord Keen, for his response and the noble...

Lord Keen of Elie | 768 c683 (Link to this contribution)

I undertake to advise the noble and learned Lord as to where a copy of the draft Order in Council...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 768 c683 (Link to this contribution)

That would be helpful. In these circumstances, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Lord Davidson of Glen Clova | 768 c684 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Davidson of Glen Clova

53: After Clause 41, insert the following new Cl...

Lord Davidson of Glen Clova | 768 cc684-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 53 standing in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Mc...

Lord Steel of Aikwood | 768 cc685-6 (Link to this contribution)

I support subsection (3) of the new clause proposed by the amendment moved by the Official Opposi...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 768 c686 (Link to this contribution)

I also support the amendment which was moved so eloquently by my noble and learned friend Lord Da...

Earl of Kinnoull | 768 c687 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder if the noble Lord can advise the House what the Gaelic for “Cumnock” is.

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 768 c687 (Link to this contribution)

That would take some time. I am not a Gaelic speaker. I can speak in Doric if required. I remembe...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 768 c687 (Link to this contribution)

I see that has received some approval, even from the Liberal Front Bench. I know that the noble L...

Lord Lyell | 768 c687 (Link to this contribution)

I declare a case of anger solidarity with the noble and learned Lord, Lord Davidson of Glen Clova...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 768 cc687-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I could add to the anger solidarity by disagreeing with my noble friend and the...

Lord Sanderson of Bowden | 768 c688 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think there ought to be a bit of border solidarity here. I agree entirely with the no...

Lord Empey | 768 c688 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was somewhat amused by the views of the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes of Cumnock, because ...

Lord Berkeley | 768 cc688-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps we need an amendment stating that all road signs about broken pavements should ...

Lord Dunlop | 768 cc689-690 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I pay tribute to the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, for his ingenuity in taking the d...

Lord Davidson of Glen Clova | 768 c690 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his reply. I would observe, however, that the noble Lord, Lord Steel, ma...

Lord Empey | 768 c690 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Empey

53A: Clause 42, page 45, line 44, after “property” insert “; but ...

Lord Empey | 768 cc690-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I commence, perhaps I could just follow up on a serious note the point made in t...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 768 cc691-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Empey, as this is a crucial pro...

Lord McFall of Alcluith | 768 c693 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord not agree that one of the real problems a number of years ago was when they g...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 768 cc693-4 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree with the noble Lord. He is absolutely right. In my old constituency of Stirling,...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 768 cc694-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend Lord Stephen and I tabled clause stand part debates on Clauses 42 and 4...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 768 c695 (Link to this contribution)

I did, but, for extraordinary reasons, it decided not to take my advice.

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 768 cc695-7 (Link to this contribution)

Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

I am uncomfortable about the arguments about what...

Lord McCluskey | 768 c697 (Link to this contribution)

I spent more than 50 years in the criminal and civil Scottish courts, as an advocate and prosecut...

Lord Sanderson of Bowden | 768 c697 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, have grave concerns about this part of the Smith commission report, in paragraph 67, on t...

Lord Berkeley | 768 cc697-9 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether it would be useful to reflect on some of the things that the British Transport P...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 768 c699 (Link to this contribution)

I was not suggesting that the name would be changed—I was saying that it might suit the nationali...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 768 c699 (Link to this contribution)

When the Minister replies on Clause 43, could he give us some other examples of cross-border auth...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 768 cc699-700 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a remarkable debate, and I am sure that British Transport Police officers will be d...

Lord Berkeley | 768 c700 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend is too modest to say that he led that legislation through Parliament.

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 768 c700 (Link to this contribution)

That is very kind of my noble friend, but I do not think it matters who claims credit for what. W...

Earl of Kinnoull | 768 cc700-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my interest in this was sparked by a conversation with an SNP MP in December in a passa...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 768 c701 (Link to this contribution)

Is there not another complication: the fact that the financing comes from the operators? Who pays...

Earl of Kinnoull | 768 c701 (Link to this contribution)

It would be interesting and very lengthy. I thank the noble Lord for yet another item in the list...

Lord Empey | 768 c701 (Link to this contribution)

That was how our problem with the National Crime Agency was resolved: through reporting mechanism...

Earl of Kinnoull | 768 c701 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful for that as well. In my commercial career, that option has sorted out a number...

Lord McAvoy | 768 cc701-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the Committee for not being able to be here for start of the proceedings...

Lord McAvoy | 768 c702 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord was a bit slow to intervene tonight.

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 768 c702 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, devolution is devolution, but, as was made clear earlier in the debate, this is a matter tha...

Lord McAvoy | 768 cc702-3 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Forsyth of Drumlean, always takes a keen interest in the position of the Lab...

Lord Berkeley | 768 c703 (Link to this contribution)

If my noble friend is suggesting that it is Labour Party policy to devolve the British Transport ...

Lord McAvoy | 768 c703 (Link to this contribution)

I thought I had all the trouble in front of me, but I have some behind me here as well.

Lord McAvoy | 768 c703 (Link to this contribution)

We will see about that. The facts of life are that the Labour Party is a democratic institution. ...

Lord Empey | 768 cc703-4 (Link to this contribution)

I know that the noble Lord is a great supporter of devolution; he has indicated that on many occa...

Lord McAvoy | 768 cc704-5 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Empey, for his contribution, but no one said that there should be no...

Lord Dunlop | 768 c705 (Link to this contribution)

I thank your Lordships for what has been a set of powerful and knowledgeable contributions to thi...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 768 c705 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister said “other light rail networks”. Does the BTP have any responsibility for the Edinb...

Lord Dunlop | 768 c705 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very good question to which I do not know the answer, but I will be very happy to clari...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 768 cc705-6 (Link to this contribution)

Could my noble friend tell the House what he thinks is meant by the words in paragraph 67 of the ...

Lord Dunlop | 768 c706 (Link to this contribution)

If my noble friend will let me continue, I hope to set out what our approach is here and address ...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 768 c706 (Link to this contribution)

Of course I want my noble friend to address the points that have been made, but could he just ans...

Lord Dunlop | 768 cc706-7 (Link to this contribution)

What the Smith commission meant is precisely what it said. If my noble friend will allow me to co...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 768 c707 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, can the Minister describe to me what will happen with trains that travel between E...

Lord Dunlop | 768 cc707-8 (Link to this contribution)

We anticipate that the BTP will continue to have limited functions in that scenario; I will come ...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 768 c708 (Link to this contribution)

I raised a number of questions, one of which concerned funding. I know that the devil is in the d...

Lord Dunlop | 768 cc708-9 (Link to this contribution)

As I have just said, this is about devolution to the Scottish Parliament. Following devolution—an...

Lord Berkeley | 768 c709 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord mentioned funding by the train operators. He will be aware that, as the noble Lord...

Lord McCluskey | 768 c709 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the Minister would take a short question from me. Is he advising the Committee that Claus...

Lord Dunlop | 768 c709 (Link to this contribution)

I am saying that these clauses provide the framework that allows us to go forward, but the Scotti...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 768 cc709-710 (Link to this contribution)

I do not understand why the Government are bringing proposals to this House which have not been t...

Lord Dunlop | 768 c710 (Link to this contribution)

In answer to my noble friend, the function of the BTP is the policing of railways, which is the s...

Lord Berkeley | 768 c710 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister answer the question that I put to him a few minutes ago, please, on the financi...

Lord Dunlop | 768 c710 (Link to this contribution)

I did answer it, to the extent that there is a plethora of detail that lies behind this. However,...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 768 c710 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, and in reflecting on his answer to the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, and his earlier ...

Lord Berkeley of Knighton | 768 c710 (Link to this contribution)

Just before the Minister answers that question, and at the risk of throwing another Berkeley into...

Lord Dunlop | 768 c711 (Link to this contribution)

I hesitate at this point in the evening to introduce the concept of no detriment, and I look forw...

Earl of Kinnoull | 768 c711 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord, Lord Empey, and I suggested that a solution to this could be a dual reporting str...

Lord Dunlop | 768 c711 (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly reflect on the points that have been raised in this passionate debate. No doubt ...

Lord Empey | 768 c711 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Dunlop, is a very capable Minister but, throughout his contributio...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 768 c712 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had no intention of speaking on this matter or detaining the House, but I have to say...

Lord McAvoy | 768 c712 (Link to this contribution)

I made no such suggestion. If the noble Lord would stop looking astonished at every second word t...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 768 c713 (Link to this contribution)

I am not denigrating anybody, but I gently remind the noble Lord that quite a few of those who to...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 768 c713 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord agree that consultation of the sort that he just described, which I would war...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 768 cc713-4 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, that is why I am so distressed by my noble friend’s response and the fact that it has not...

Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 768 c714 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bruce of Bennachie

54: Clause 49, page 51, line 36, leave out from “aut...

Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 768 cc714-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to move this amendment in the name of my noble friends, with apologies to the Co...

Lord Davidson of Glen Clova | 768 cc715-6 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to Amendments 55 and 57 in my name and that of my noble friend Lord McAvoy. The a...

Lord Dunlop | 768 cc716-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may set the scene for Clause 49, which refers to gaming machines in licensed ...

Lord Bruce of Bennachie | 768 c717 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister. As he will know, these amendments were proposed by the Law Society...

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