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Welfare Reform and Work Bill

Lords committee stage fifth day. Clauses 21 to 32 agreed to, with clauses 22, 27 and 31 agreed to as amended. Schedule 2 agreed to as amended. Bill reported with amendments (HL Bill 86).

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Reference

768 cc202-262 

Session

2015-16

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Welfare Reform and Work Bill 2015-16. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 28 October 2015
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee thirteenth report.
Wednesday, 18 November 2015
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Welfare Reform and Work Bill 2015-16. As amended in Committee (HL).
Tuesday, 12 January 2016
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 768 c202 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park

104BC: Clause 21, page 20, line 23, after “bega...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 768 cc202-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to the government amendments which are largely technical in nature and ste...


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Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 cc203-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we thank the Minister, the noble Baroness, Lady Evans, for her introduction and we are ...

Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 768 c206 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support what the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, has just said. He is right to say that th...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 768 c206 (Link to this contribution)

I thank both noble Lords for their contributions and take note of the points that they raised. In...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 c207 (Link to this contribution)

Can I just press the Minister a bit to say what “in due course” means? Can we narrow that timelin...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 768 c207 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, we will look at what information we can provide for Report; I am afraid that I cannot ...

Lord Kerslake | 768 c207 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Kerslake

104C: Clause 21, page 20, line 36, leave out “, second or thir...

Lord Kerslake | 768 cc207-210 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to move Amendment 104C. In doing so, I declare my interest as chair of Peabody a...

Lord Best | 768 cc210-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to support the amendments in the name of my noble friend Lord Kerslake and to sp...

Lord Beecham | 768 cc213-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I represent a ward in Newcastle-upon-Tyne—I declare my interest as a serving councillor...

Lord Horam | 768 cc214-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am very sympathetic to the views put forward by the noble Lord, Lord Kerslake, in moving his am...

Lord Scriven | 768 cc216-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support a lot of what the noble Lord, Lord Kerslake, said. The noble Lord and I do no...

Baroness Blackstone | 768 cc218-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking briefly to these amendments I declare an interest as the chair of the board...

Lord Triesman | 768 cc219-220 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also declare an interest, which is on the register, as a director of a housing associ...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 768 cc221-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to raise a slightly wider point, as I see the 1% rent cut as the most recent of ...

Lord Elton | 768 c223 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a fraction of the knowledge and experience in this field of the noble Baroness, ...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 768 c223 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, to respond to the noble Lord, the latest estimate is that 60% or more of property sold ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 cc223-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this debate focusing on six specific amendments has become quite broad and—dare I say i...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 cc224-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken to these amendments. I have listened with care ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 c227 (Link to this contribution)

How much of that £20 billion is going to be applied for social housing for rent?

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c227 (Link to this contribution)

It will be £1.6 billion to provide 100,000 homes for rent.

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 768 c227 (Link to this contribution)

So the Minister is saying that £20 billion is set aside for affordable housing, but only £1.6 bil...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 cc227-8 (Link to this contribution)

The £20 billion will be invested in housebuilding over this spending review, and £1.6 billion of ...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 768 c228 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister agree to the circulation before Report to all Members of your Lordships’ House ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c228 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am afraid that I cannot give that level of comfort to the noble Baroness. As I say, w...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c228 (Link to this contribution)

If I may finish, all I can say is that we take very seriously housing providers that might suffer...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 768 c228 (Link to this contribution)

So what the Minister is saying is that the Government will come in after the event, when provider...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c228 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, exemptions will apply to providers that demonstrate to the Government that they will fa...

Baroness Manzoor | 768 c228 (Link to this contribution)

My apologies; my throat is not very good, so I hope that noble Lords can hear me. What is the Gov...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c229 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are several different types of accommodation. There is supported housing, which i...

Baroness Manzoor | 768 c229 (Link to this contribution)

Forgive me for having to get up again; after all, we are coming to this subject on Amendments 107...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 c229 (Link to this contribution)

Might the noble Baroness take the opportunity to clarify the distinction between exceptions and e...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c229 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has just read my mind. Doing so might be helpful because I think that we are now t...

Lord Beecham | 768 c229 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Baroness sits down, she referred to the private rented sector and implied that i...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c230 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think I explained that the Government do not intend to take action on the private ren...

Lord Kerslake | 768 cc230-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I thank the Minister for her comprehensive response. I also thank my noble frien...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c231 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Williams of Trafford

104DA: Clause 21, page 20, line 39, at end ins...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 c231 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McKenzie of Luton

105: Clause 21, page 20, line 46, at end insert—

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Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 cc231-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 105 stands in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Sherlock. We are pleas...

Earl of Listowel | 768 c233 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment. I am very concerned about the rise in child homelessness and t...

Baroness Manzoor | 768 cc233-4 (Link to this contribution)

I add my support for the amendment. I do not have much to add to what has already been said by th...

Baroness Blackstone | 768 c234 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not get up again and ask the Minister for a reply to the question that I put at t...

Lord Horam | 768 c234 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Blackstone, may be amazed to know that I rather agree with her...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 c234 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord accept that there is a distinction between trying to understand what the Gove...

Lord Horam | 768 c234 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate that. Clearly, we ought to know as much as we can now about the effect of the Govern...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c235 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 105 seeks to require the Secretary of State to produce a plan within 12 month...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 768 c235 (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether the Minister could rephrase her comment about social rents being out of kilter w...

Earl of Listowel | 768 c236 (Link to this contribution)

That is certainly my understanding too: that more and more the poorest people are being pushed in...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c236 (Link to this contribution)

I am very happy to write to the noble Earl. I do not make a judgment about why social rents have,...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 768 c236 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, essentially, the Minister is saying that it is now acceptable to punish local authoriti...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c236 (Link to this contribution)

No, my Lords; I am saying that we need to reset the picture for the social rented sector.

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 768 c236 (Link to this contribution)

Does that mean that the Minister did not know a year ago what the effect of the policies would be...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c236 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not the Minister a year ago. However, I get the noble Baroness’s drift. The point...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 c236 (Link to this contribution)

Is any guidance given to local authorities on prudent reserves?

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c237 (Link to this contribution)

As an ex-local authority leader, I can tell the noble Lord that we were always advised through CP...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c237 (Link to this contribution)

But they have revenue and capital reserves. I do understand local authority obligations on reserv...

Baroness Blackstone | 768 c237 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that the Minister has understood my question. It was about the impact of a reductio...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c237 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may write to the noble Baroness; I understand her point. However, I also understand the...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 cc237-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have participated in this short debate. The noble Earl, Lor...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 c238 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McKenzie of Luton

107: Clause 22, page 21, line 6, at end insert—

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 cc238-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 107 calls for certain types of property to be excepted from the provisions of...

Lord Best | 768 cc239-242 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak to Amendment 109, which covers the same issue as Amendment 107, moved by the no...

Lord Kerslake | 768 c241 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment. I will keep my comments short because my noble friend Lord Be...

Bishop of Rochester | 768 cc241-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when I added my name to the amendment in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Best, I did s...

Baroness Blackstone | 768 c243 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support what has been said very eloquently by all those who put their...

Lord Shipley | 768 c244 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that the Minister understands the seriousness of this matter. I do not want to r...

Lord Young of Cookham | 768 cc244-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I intervene briefly from these Benches to add my support to Amendment 109 in the name o...

Baroness Warwick of Undercliffe | 768 cc245-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support these two amendments, and I declare an interest as chair of the National Hous...

Baroness Manzoor | 768 c247 (Link to this contribution)

I rise just briefly, because I am an optimist and I do not want to delay the Committee further, t...

Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 768 cc247-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should like to add a codicil to the debate. I hesitate to join in this interesting di...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c249 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened very carefully to the comments made by noble Lords this evening in deba...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 768 c249 (Link to this contribution)

To go back to a question we asked about an hour ago, will the noble Baroness be providing those d...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c249 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot give that commitment at this stage, but as soon as we can make any progress on it we wil...

Baroness Manzoor | 768 c249 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that the Minister cannot give the commitment now, but can she assure the Committee t...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c249 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friends Lord Freud and Lady Evans and I have already been speaking to providers and my n...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 768 c249 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that is not an accurate statement of where we are. The Minister has known for some ti...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c250 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness has been in government and she knows the processes of government. Sh...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 c250 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister as I thought that what she was beginning to say was encouraging, b...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 cc250-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is different. We are looking at this whole area of provision but it is a different d...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 768 c251 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister think that it will remain private if any organisation comes to the Government s...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 768 c251 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, providers have a very good track record both in managing their finances and in terms of...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 cc251-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for a very comprehensive reply. There was a moment there where I t...

Lord Freud | 768 c252 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Freud

108B: Clause 22, page 21, line 7, leave out subsection (2) and in...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 c253 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McKenzie of Luton

110: After Clause 23, insert the following new Clause...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 cc253-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 110 stands in my name and that of my noble friend Lady Sherlock. We welcome t...

Earl of Listowel | 768 c254 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am concerned that the Government’s proposal may reduce the supply of housing or cause...

Lord Kerslake | 768 c255 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to my Amendments 110A and 110B. I am conscious that we are reaching the e...

Baroness Evans of Bowes Park | 768 cc255-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall start by addressing Amendment 110, which was tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 768 cc257-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for her reply. I should not worry too much about getting Box notes...

Lord Freud | 768 cc258-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Freud

110C: Schedule 2, page 34, line 9, leave out sub-paragraph (2) an...

Lord Freud | 768 cc259-260 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Freud

110F: After Clause 26, insert the following new Clause—

“Im...

Lord Freud | 768 c261 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Freud

110J: Clause 27, page 25, line 10, after “26” insert “and (Change...

Lord Freud | 768 cc261-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Freud

110K: Clause 31, page 27, line 21, at end insert—

“( ) sect...

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