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Energy Bill [HL]

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 21 October 2015, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth.
Lords report stage second day. New clauses and new schedule considered. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed. (HL Bill 67)

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

765 cc666-735 

Session

2015-16

Legislative stage

Report stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee sixth report.
Wednesday, 22 July 2015
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Energy Bill (HL) 2015-16. As amended in Lords Committee.
Monday, 14 September 2015
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee seventh report.
Tuesday, 1 September 2015
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Energy Bill (HL) 2015-16. As amended on Report.
Wednesday, 21 October 2015
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c666 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

78B: Clause 66, page 38, line 5, leave out subsec...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 cc666-670 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I discuss the amendments today, I want to remind noble Lords of what has already bee...


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Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 765 c669 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the Minister leaves this point, could he tell us, first, what sums are involved ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c671 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, obviously much is dependent upon when the legislation goes through, and that is in the ...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 765 c671 (Link to this contribution)

I take it then that the Minister is unaware of the financial implications of what he is asking us...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c671 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is not for me to determine whether the conditions are met. There is a process set ou...

Baroness Worthington | 765 c671 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I can help the Minister out, if I may. We have had estimates from the independe...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c671 (Link to this contribution)

With respect to the noble Baroness, this is not about those projects that fall just the other sid...

Lord Hardie | 765 c671 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to ask the Minister about the extension of time. I fully understand and think it is ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 cc672-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very happy to respond to that point, but it is a quite separate point from the inv...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 765 c673 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that the noble Baroness, Lady Worthington, will say something about Scotland wh...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 765 c673 (Link to this contribution)

Is the fact that the Minister, who is well respected in this House, has had to work so hard—his p...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 765 cc674-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think that everyone who has dealt with this Bill would agree that it has not been a s...

Bishop of Chester | 765 cc677-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I did not speak in Committee, although I attended it, partly because I found almost a s...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 765 cc678-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not thought that what we were dealing with was liquid legislation. I thought we w...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 765 cc679-680 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was not going to intervene at this stage, but the right reverend Prelate’s interventi...

Baroness Worthington | 765 c680 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for introducing the government amendments. I will speak t...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c680 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the noble Baroness for giving way at that point, which is a very material p...

Baroness Worthington | 765 c681 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for that intervention. Of course I am aware of the Salisbury conven...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 765 c681 (Link to this contribution)

I endorse what my noble friend has said. She is absolutely right. When we come to the next amendm...

Baroness Worthington | 765 cc681-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my noble friend for his support. The concerns that I have raised consistently th...

Viscount Ridley | 765 c682 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Baroness gets to the end of her eulogy for the wind industry, will she confirm t...

Baroness Worthington | 765 cc682-4 (Link to this contribution)

We can debate who benefits most from our low-carbon agenda—possibly it is the Chinese at this par...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 cc684-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, a rare moment of agreement: I suspect that I will not be able to satisfy the nob...

Baroness Worthington | 765 c685 (Link to this contribution)

I do not wish the debate to descend into party politics, but since the Minister has raised it, it...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c685 (Link to this contribution)

I note what the noble Baroness says, but this comes back to leadership. If its leader has materia...

Baroness Worthington | 765 c686 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the Minister can clarify something that appears in the Conservative Party manifesto: that...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c686 (Link to this contribution)

I have made the position on contracts for difference very clear, as I think the noble Baroness ap...

Bishop of Chester | 765 c686 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I realise that this is Report, but I would like to press the question I put in my inter...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c686 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not know the proportion, but I know that the upper end of the limit is £270 millio...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 765 c686 (Link to this contribution)

First, I did not raise the issue of the definition of the recognised lenders because the noble Lo...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c687 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on his last point first, I am very happy to speak to the MoD in the way that the noble ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c687 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

78D: Clause 66, page 38, line 6, at beginning ins...

Baroness Worthington | 765 c687 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

78Q: Clause 66, leave out Clause 66

Baroness Worthington | 765 cc687-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure that people will be very pleased to hear that I do not intend to repeat the s...

Viscount Ridley | 765 c688 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Baroness for allowing me to intervene again. She and I have had an exc...

Baroness Worthington | 765 cc688-9 (Link to this contribution)

I sometimes also wonder about the European policy and in particular why we have not moved further...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 765 cc689-690 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have been wondering during the entire consideration of this debate why there has been...

Lord Spicer | 765 c690 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord at least accept that because wind is unreliable, you have to double up in the...

Lord Foulkes of Cumnock | 765 c690 (Link to this contribution)

No. If we have a diverse energy supply, with nuclear, wind and a whole range of other ways of pro...

Viscount Ridley | 765 c691 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in declaring my interests at the start, I reassure the noble Lord, Lord Foulkes, that m...

Baroness Worthington | 765 c691 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. He makes a lovely speech, but actually we are deb...

Viscount Ridley | 765 c692 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know where I was five or 10 minutes ago then, when I was listening to a lot of very wide...

Baroness Young of Old Scone | 765 c692 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is probably going to move on to it being conducive to falling arches and making ch...

Viscount Younger of Leckie | 765 c692 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am ready to reply to the noble Baroness’s speech, but I believe that that was an inte...

Viscount Ridley | 765 c692 (Link to this contribution)

I had actually pretty well come to the end of my remarks anyway—but on the subject of energy-inte...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 765 cc692-3 (Link to this contribution)

I did not want to make an intervention on an intervention, but may I say something now? I agree t...

Lord Cormack | 765 cc693-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support the wise words of my noble friend Lord Ridley. I am one of those who...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 765 c694 (Link to this contribution)

It is a bit rich, this casting aside of planning legislation and saying that what local authoriti...

Viscount Ridley | 765 c694 (Link to this contribution)

I thought that my noble friend Lord Cormack was saying the opposite: that we should not cast asid...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 765 c694 (Link to this contribution)

The existing system may not be perfect and it is a source of frustration for many people, but it ...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 765 c694 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry. I realise that we are moving towards a vote and I do not wish to take much more of th...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 765 c695 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not wish to detain the House for long. When we engaged after the debate on recommi...

Lord Cormack | 765 c695 (Link to this contribution)

One of the things we have to bear in mind is that a number of wind farms were granted permission ...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 765 cc695-6 (Link to this contribution)

I think that the noble Lord almost makes my point because, as far as I understand what is being p...

Lord Hardie | 765 cc696-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also want to draw attention to the fact that this legislation is unfair. Contrary to ...

Bishop of Chester | 765 c697 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as I listened to this debate, I had one of those “Doctor Who” moments. You go into the ...

Lord Steel of Aikwood | 765 c697 (Link to this contribution)

The noble and learned Lord, Lord Hardie, and the right reverend Prelate have focused on the issue...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 765 c697 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the point made by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Hardie, about the situatio...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 cc698-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very wide-ranging debate, taking in issues which are beyond the scope o...

Lord Reid of Cardowan | 765 c699 (Link to this contribution)

On the question of the Salisbury convention, I confess that I have not included recently the Cons...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 cc699-700 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is right on the wording—actually, it is “new public subsidy”, but he is stressing ...

Bishop of Chester | 765 c700 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister sits down—I asked a specific question and I would like to encourage an answer...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c700 (Link to this contribution)

It is neither of those, if I may say so. We have had an engagement exercise with industry, the de...

Baroness Worthington | 765 cc700-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his response and, indeed, to all noble Lords who have...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 cc701-710 (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

78R: After Clause 66, insert the following new C...

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 765 c711 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have already debated this. I think that Amendment 78RA would improve Amendment 78R, ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c711 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the noble and learned Lord can tell me what it is about.

Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 765 c711 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that Amendment 78R contains the new clause to embrace the grace periods. As C...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c711 (Link to this contribution)

I am certainly not pushing this amendment.

Baroness Worthington | 765 c711 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

78S: After Clause 66, insert the following new Clause—<...

Baroness Worthington | 765 cc711-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in this group of amendments we are considering the wider implications of the Government...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 765 c713 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness on the ingenuity of the proposals in this amendment; ...

Lord Teverson | 765 cc713-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I particularly wish to speak to Amendment 78UA, to which I have added my name, but I wi...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 cc719-721 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have participated in the debate on this part of the Bill. I sha...

Baroness Worthington | 765 cc721-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his response and to the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, fo...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c722 (Link to this contribution)

I can follow the argument that the noble Baroness is making very clearly. However, does she not a...

Baroness Worthington | 765 cc722-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for that question. However, that is not the case. There are two ver...

Baroness Worthington | 765 c723 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

78UA: After Clause 66, insert the following new Clause—...

Baroness Worthington | 765 c723 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, and I seek the opinion of the House.

Baroness Worthington | 765 c723 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

78V: After Clause 66, insert the following new Clause—<...

Baroness Worthington | 765 cc723-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I reassure the Minister that this is not a matter on which I intend to seek the opinion...

Lord Teverson | 765 cc728-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall not detain the House very long. I am not sure that the amendment as written is ...

Bishop of Chester | 765 c729 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, once again very briefly, could the Minister also make some comment in his response abou...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 cc729-730 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have participated in the debate on Amendment 78V and the no...

Baroness Worthington | 765 c730 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response, and our conversation was welcome just so that this did not...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c730 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

79: Clause 67, page 39, line 24, leave out paragr...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c731 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

82A: Clause 68, page 39, line 34, leave out “This...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c731 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in view of the earlier defeat of Clause 66, I shall withdraw this amendment.

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c731 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

83: Clause 69, page 40, line 3, after “amendment”...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 cc731-5 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

84: After the Schedule, insert the following new ...

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth | 765 c735 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Bourne of Aberystwyth

line 2, after “infrastructure;” insert “to make p...

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