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Cities and Local Government Devolution Bill [HL]

Lords committee stage first day. New clause (before clause 1) considered. Clause 1 under consideration. (Part 2 of 3).

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Reference

762 cc1395-1429 

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2015-16

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Cities and Local Government Devolution Bill (HL) 2015-16
Thursday, 28 May 2015
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Shipley | 762 c1395 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Shipley

3: Before Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

“Dev...

Lord Shipley | 762 cc1395-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I said on Amendments 1 and 2 that we should avoid being overly strict on what structure...


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Lord Heseltine | 762 cc1396-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have worked with the noble Lord, Lord Shipley, and I know of his long experience and ...

Lord Beecham | 762 cc1398-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Heseltine, is perhaps the best-qualified special adviser ever to h...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 762 cc1399-1400 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have developed huge respect for the noble Lord, Lord Heseltine, over the years follow...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 762 c1400 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, would like to support the remarks of my noble friend Lord Beecham and to challe...

Lord Heseltine | 762 c1401 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful. I think that the noble Baroness is perhaps not old enough to know this but th...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 762 c1401 (Link to this contribution)

I do not disagree that Redcliffe-Maud was a sizeable problem. I did quite a lot of work on this a...

Baroness Warsi | 762 cc1401-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, you will be pleased to know that I am not going to get into this discussion about what ...

Lord Scriven | 762 cc1402-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened to the noble Lord, Lord Heseltine. Like the noble Baroness, Lady Warsi,...

Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 762 c1404 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with every word just said by the noble Lord, Lord Scriven. I return to the rema...

Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 762 cc1404-5 (Link to this contribution)

It was Peter Walker in the Conservative Government, but that is history. If I have understood the...

Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 762 cc1405-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is my first intervention on the Bill. I apologise for that. Looking around the Cha...

Lord Tyler | 762 cc1406-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the contribution that the noble Lord, Lord Brooke, has just made, but...

Lord Callanan | 762 cc1408-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened with great interest to the speech from my noble friend Lord Heseltine earlie...

Baroness Pinnock | 762 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with much of what the noble Lord, Lord Heseltine, said in his analysis of the p...

Lord Grocott | 762 c1409 (Link to this contribution)

We have heard reference to the electoral system, which is not an uncommon reference from the Libe...

Baroness Pinnock | 762 cc1409-1411 (Link to this contribution)

Fair voting in my description is not the list system, which I regard as just a fancy way of chang...

Lord Grocott | 762 cc1411-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very encouraged by this debate. One always tends to worry as the years go by that ...

Lord Smith of Leigh | 762 cc1412-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise somewhat reluctantly to participate in this debate. I declare my interest as lea...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 762 cc1413-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it falls to me to give the Opposition’s official position on this amendment. I hope tha...

Lord Storey | 762 cc1415-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I apologise for having to leave during Second Reading; I had to shuffle out with...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 cc1416-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have made various points on these amendments. Amendment 14 ...

Lord Scriven | 762 c1418 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister says that, but let us take my own area of South Yorkshire as a practical example. Th...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1418 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, technically the noble Lord is right—it is down to four people—but they are elected by t...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 762 c1418 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am still not clear on this. If, for example, out in shire England, three local author...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1418 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if that situation arose, those three local authorities would enter into a discussion wi...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 762 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

I will ask the Minister about this matter again, on the detail of the amendment. The Bill states:...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it would be entirely between the Secretary of State and those local authorities. I am s...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 762 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

Can I come back on the question posed by my noble friend Lady Hollis? It seems to me that the opp...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are powers available under other local government Acts. For example, the Localism...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 762 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, forgive me, this is Committee stage and I would not behave like this on Report but I am...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this Bill provides for combined authorities. Perhaps I originally misunderstood what th...

Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 762 c1420 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for reminding us that the Bill applies only to combined a...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 cc1420-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, because these are bespoke deals, it will be very much a conversation between the local ...

Lord Scriven | 762 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if a combined authority asked for powers similar to those of the Manchester deal, would...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government would not seek to impose a metro mayor, as I have repeated several times...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 762 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to come back on this but it is an important issue that we need to get clear. Let me go...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Government certainly would want it, but with the agreement of those local authoriti...

Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 762 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

Surely that is a misuse of language. My noble friend Lord Smith of Leigh made it clear that, in h...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I could repeat the point, the combined authority agreed with the Secretary of State ...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 762 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot just let that slip away. There is a clear difference in interpretation of what is intend...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will try to clarify again. It is certainly true that, for the full suite of powers to...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 762 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

“Insist” was the word that was referred to by my noble friend on the Front Bench.

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot be more clear that that was the system that Greater Manchester and the Secreta...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 762 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

I know that the Minister is doing her best and this is absolutely no criticism of her, but we are...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it may well be a condition that is agreed to rather than imposed. I hope that that make...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 762 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but will the Minister tell me what the difference is between imposing something in re...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, imposition is different from agreement—I think we can all agree. No combined authority ...

Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 762 c1423 (Link to this contribution)

If it does not agree, it will not be a combined authority with those powers. Therefore, it is an ...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 c1423 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is not an imposition. It has to be agreed. The Secretary of State does not want to i...

Lord Beecham | 762 c1423 (Link to this contribution)

You go into a shop and there are two items for sale. One of them has a price tag—the price in thi...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 cc1423-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, no one is going to force you to buy that bottle—it depends on what the bottle contains....

Lord Shipley | 762 cc1424-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all those who have taken part in this debate. In one sense, we have ha...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 762 c1425 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord said that what he proposed would not have many members, but it would work out at s...

Lord Shipley | 762 c1425 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, it is 50. Of course, there are a number of issues around the selection of those numbers. ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 762 c1425 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McKenzie of Luton

4: Clause 1, page 1, line 8, at end insert—

“( ...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 762 cc1425-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, a moment ago I touched on Amendment 4. The other amendments in this group are Amendment...

Baroness Janke | 762 cc1426-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 6 and 7. I am a former leader of Bristol City Council and have rai...

Lord Heseltine | 762 c1427 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are trying to create world-class prestigious authorities to negotiate on behalf of o...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 762 c1427 (Link to this contribution)

Will the noble Lord help us out? The fact that a mayor has to be elected means that the individua...

Lord Heseltine | 762 c1427 (Link to this contribution)

The mayor would be speaking in his position as an elected official and in normal circumstances he...

Baroness Janke | 762 c1427 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to respond to that. Basically, at the moment there is huge confusion about mayors. T...

Baroness Williams of Trafford | 762 cc1428-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 4 to 7 address the role of a mayor in the combined authority and I shall tak...

Lord McKenzie of Luton | 762 c1429 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for her response to the debate and other noble Lords who have part...

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