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Social Action, Responsibility and Heroism Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 15 December 2014, in the House of Lords, led by Lord Faulks.
Lords report stage. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 73).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

758 cc13-48 

Session

2014-15

Department

Ministry of Justice

Legislative stage

Report stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Proceeding contributions

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 758 c13 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lloyd of Berwick

1: Clause 2, leave out Clause 2

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 758 cc13-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are many reasons why Clause 2 should not stand part of the Bill, but to my mind t...


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Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 758 cc15-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble and learned Lord was kind enough to say some nice things about my report, and...

Lord Pannick | 758 cc16-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had our fun on this Bill at Second Reading and in Committee. I, for my part, ca...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 758 c17 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. It is not just people in the saloon bar of t...

Lord Pannick | 758 cc17-8 (Link to this contribution)

With great respect, there is even less justification if we are going to ask the question about pr...

Lord Blair of Boughton | 758 c18 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I spoke in Committee in support of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd, and I am not...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 758 cc18-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may return briefly to the point that I made in Committee, which is directed t...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 758 c19 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson, with great force and fervour, invites the House to consid...

Lord Walker of Gestingthorpe | 758 cc19-21 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking in support of this amendment, I draw attention to a matter which I believe ...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 758 c21 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not wish to appear conspicuous by my silence on this Bench but will speak very bri...

Lord Beecham | 758 cc22-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, less than a week ago we debated the Government’s amendments to the Criminal Justice and...

Lord Pannick | 758 c23 (Link to this contribution)

Is the noble Lord saying that the Opposition are not going to support the noble and learned Lord,...

Lord Beecham | 758 c23 (Link to this contribution)

There is a lot of competition in that respect. I merely say that on this Bill it is not worth the...

Lord Faulks | 758 cc23-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking against Clause 2 in Committee and in the debate today, the noble and learne...

Lord Forsyth of Drumlean | 758 c25 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister help a non-lawyer? Is it the Government’s policy that they are prepared to use l...

Lord Faulks | 758 cc25-6 (Link to this contribution)

I think there is something of both, in the sense that very often in the law of negligence, althou...

Archbishop of York | 758 c26 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am puzzled. Will the noble Lord tell us whether it is ever worthy to use a statute as...

Lord Faulks | 758 c26 (Link to this contribution)

I think I know what the most reverend Primate means. With respect, as I said on a previous occasi...

Lord Pannick | 758 c26 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, perhaps I may ask him whether there is any precedent that he can...

Lord Faulks | 758 c26 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that off the top of my head I can think of a particular legislative provision that ...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 758 cc26-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have supported this amendment. I want to say a word about the c...

Lord Beecham | 758 c27 (Link to this contribution)

If the noble and learned Lord understood that, he misunderstood it, and if I have contributed to ...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 758 c27 (Link to this contribution)

I am quite happy to accept that there must have been a misunderstanding. However, that was certai...

Lord Cormack | 758 c27 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, surely my noble and learned friend, as I will call him on this occasion, has heard of t...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 758 c28 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that I fully understood. Perhaps I did not wholly hear what the noble Lord said. Ho...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 758 c28 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts

1A: Page 1, line 12, leave out “generally” an...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 758 cc28-31 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 1A may be less controversial than the matter that we have just finished discu...

Lord Beecham | 758 cc31-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 3 is the one clause in the Bill which the Government acknowledge embodies a subs...

Lord Pannick | 758 c32 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my support to what has been said by the noble Lord, Lord Beecham. Clause 3 is ver...

Lord Goldsmith | 758 c33 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support what has been said by my noble friend Lord Beecham and by the noble Lord, Lor...

Lord Woolf | 758 c33 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister, when he comes to reply, assist me? I do not see how this clause will apply if ...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 758 c33 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support this amendment. The Bill as a whole is manifestly directed—all the earl...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 758 c33 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, another feature of this clause occurs to me: how one is supposed to apply it when the i...

Lord Faulks | 758 cc33-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had the pleasure of a short but informative debate this afternoon. The criticis...

Lord Woolf | 758 c35 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. I still, I am afraid, cannot understand whether, wh...

Lord Faulks | 758 cc35-6 (Link to this contribution)

The answer is yes. There are lots of different circumstances in which two defendants may find the...

Lord Pannick | 758 c36 (Link to this contribution)

Is there some time period over which the court is expected to assess the generally responsible ap...

Lord Faulks | 758 c36 (Link to this contribution)

With great respect to the noble Lord, considering the activity in question focuses the judge on t...

Lord Faulks | 758 c36 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I could finish answering this question before I answer the next one. That would necessita...

Lord Beecham | 758 c36 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister must forgive my impatience again. He has concentrated on personal injury claims, but...

Lord Faulks | 758 c37 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill is described in its preamble as being to make,

“provision as to matters to which a...

Lord Goldsmith | 758 c37 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, but I wonder how the noble Lord can make that observation. If a claim comes before th...

Lord Faulks | 758 c37 (Link to this contribution)

Let me deal with the hypothetically negligent accountant. As I said in answer to previous questio...

Lord Goldsmith | 758 c37 (Link to this contribution)

It would not be this tax return, surely, but the activity of advising on tax returns generally.

Lord Faulks | 758 cc37-8 (Link to this contribution)

I respectfully disagree with that interpretation because it is concerned with the activity in que...

Lord Faulks | 758 c38 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may finish answering this question before I answer the next one. The hypothetically neg...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 758 c38 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way. I wonder whether the Minister could be more precise...

Lord Faulks | 758 cc38-9 (Link to this contribution)

Clause 1, in answer to the noble and learned Lord, is describing the scope of the Act, saying tha...

Lord Beecham | 758 c39 (Link to this contribution)

I have another question. The Minister’s colleague, Mr Vara, said:

“Narrowing the clause … w...

Lord Faulks | 758 cc39-40 (Link to this contribution)

I do not have the full context of what my ministerial colleague said in the House of Commons, but...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 758 c40 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for returning to Amendment 1A. I thought for a moment ...

Lord Beecham | 758 c40 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

2: Clause 3, leave out Clause 3

Lord Beecham | 758 c40 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on this occasion I will not follow the precedent of the noble Lord, Lord Hodgson. The M...

Lord Faulks | 758 c40 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Faulks

3: Clause 4, page 1, line 17, leave out from “danger” to end of ...

Lord Faulks | 758 cc40-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I turn now to Clause 4 and the amendment we have tabled relating to it. We noted the co...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 758 cc44-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also have an amendment in this group. It may be convenient if I say what I have to sa...

Lord Pannick | 758 c45 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there is a further reason why Clause 4 is pointless and that is, of course, because it ...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 758 c45 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the amendment tabled by the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd, for the...

Lord Walker of Gestingthorpe | 758 cc45-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment which my noble and learned friend Lord Lloyd of Berwick has ind...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 758 c46 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, congratulate the Government on leaving out the 11 words at the end of this clau...

Lord Beecham | 758 c46 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Brown, asked what was added by the reference to herois...

Lord Faulks | 758 c47 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, for the most part the Government’s amendment has been supported. The noble and learned ...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 758 c47 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, I wonder whether he would just deal with the principal point mad...

Lord Faulks | 758 c47 (Link to this contribution)

I will give the same answer that I gave in relation to the distinction between the Compensation A...

Baroness Warnock | 758 c48 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, will he answer the question raised by my noble and learned frien...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 758 c48 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Minister answers that, the words that are completely surplus here are “acting heroical...

Lord Faulks | 758 c48 (Link to this contribution)

The answer is that the word is used in the clause to describe a particular circumstance which I t...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 758 c48 (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

Lord Lloyd of Berwick

4: Clause 4, leave out Clause 4

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 758 c48 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure whether I am entitled to say anything more. I do not intend to do so, except to dra...

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