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Social Action, Responsibility and Heroism Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Tuesday, 18 November 2014, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage. Clauses 1 to 5 agreed. New clause (Lords amendment 2) debated and withdrawn. Bill reported without amendment.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

757 cc376-421 

Session

2014-15

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber
Social Action, Responsibility and Heroism Bill 2014-15. Brought from the Commons.
Tuesday, 21 October 2014
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee ninth report.
Tuesday, 28 October 2014
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 757 c377 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hunt of Wirral

A1: Clause 1, page 1, line 3, after “determining” insert...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 757 cc377-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare the interests set out in the register, including in particular my partnership...


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Lord Beecham | 757 c378 (Link to this contribution)

I have to say that I have no great expectations in that regard.

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 757 cc378-9 (Link to this contribution)

I should stop now. However, I want to stress here that we are not talking about Fagin-type organi...

Lord Pannick | 757 c379 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this Bill has a purpose—a futile and anodyne purpose in the view of many of us who spok...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 757 c379 (Link to this contribution)

It may assist the noble Lord if I explain that I was motivated by the speech of the noble and lea...

Lord Pannick | 757 c379 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to hear that because when the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd, comes to move hi...

Lord Beecham | 757 c380 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I begin by congratulating the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, on his recent appointment, or on i...

Lord Walton of Detchant | 757 cc380-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had no intention of speaking on this matter when I came to listen to the debate this ...

Lord Faulks | 757 cc381-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am extremely grateful to my noble friend Lord Hunt for bringing these amendments befo...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 757 cc382-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to all those who have spoken in this debate. I am only comforted by ...

Lord Beecham | 757 c383 (Link to this contribution)

I was also one Mr Albert Blyghton’s solicitors.

Lord Beecham | 757 c383 (Link to this contribution)

That is about right. I am sure that the noble Lord, Lord Hunt, and I, when representing members o...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 757 c383 (Link to this contribution)

In the appropriate case. I hope that the noble Lord will not mind if I look for agreement in his ...

Lord Beecham | 757 c383 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 4, at end insert—

“( ) Nothing ...

Lord Beecham | 757 cc383-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, assuming for the moment and for the purposes of this debate and the scrutiny role of Co...

Lord Pannick | 757 c385 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that the Minister will be able to reassure the Committee that the amendment is u...

Lord Faulks | 757 cc385-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in short, I can confirm what the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, said. Amendment 1 would inse...

Lord Beecham | 757 c386 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to the noble Lord for his clarification of his position, and he is now on...

Lord Pannick | 757 c386 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Pannick

2: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—

“Dete...

Lord Pannick | 757 cc386-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 2 seeks to give the Bill some coherent purpose and effect—not an easy task, a...

Lord Beecham | 757 cc387-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 2, moved by the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, and to my Amendmen...

Lord Brown of Eaton-under-Heywood | 757 cc388-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall deal briefly with the suggested distinction between “may” in the 2006 Act and “...

Lord Faulks | 757 cc389-391 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the debate and the contributions from the noble Lords, Lord Beecham a...

Lord Pannick | 757 c391 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the Minister. He said that it is a difficult target to hit, but I suggest t...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 757 cc391-2 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Hunt of Wirral

4: Clause 2, page 1, line 8, at end insert—

“(2) W...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 757 cc392-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I say at the outset that I strongly support the Bill, as long as the Minister is prepar...

Lord Beecham | 757 cc393-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is interesting that the noble Lord seeks to give carte blanche to any organisation, ...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 757 c394 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support the amendment of my noble friend Lord Hunt of Wirral, which s...

Lord Faulks | 757 c394 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that the noble and learned Lord has decoupled that from the amendment.

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 757 c394 (Link to this contribution)

In that case, I shall wait until the clause stand part debate and speak on that occasion.

Lord Faulks | 757 cc394-5 (Link to this contribution)

I understand my noble friend Lord Hodgson’s slight surprise. It was a late, though perfectly legi...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 757 c395 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to my noble friend Lord Hodgson for his support. I say to the noble ...

Lord Beecham | 757 c395 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the point that the noble Lord is making, and I will certainly look at that case. How...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 757 c396 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the noble Lord, and to the Minister for his comments. I will of course refl...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 757 cc396-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I oppose Clause 2 standing part of the Bill, and my reason is simple: it adds nothing u...

Lord Pannick | 757 cc399-401 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have added my name to that of the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Berwick, in o...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 757 cc400-2 (Link to this contribution)

I have been listening carefully to the two speeches. The noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Be...

Lord Beecham | 757 c402 (Link to this contribution)

Can the noble Lord explain the relevance of the cases he has just cited to the Bill—or, to put it...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 757 c402 (Link to this contribution)

What I am talking about here is the provision that the court,

“must have regard to … the al...

Lord Pannick | 757 c403 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I might point out to the noble Lord that the Minister assured the Committee in relation t...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 757 cc403-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to try to argue a fine legal point with the noble Lord but the fact of the matter ...

Lord Blair of Boughton | 757 cc404-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I find myself very surprised to be supporting the Motion, if that is the right term, of...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 757 cc405-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am troubled by this clause for a reason related to the two speeches that have been ju...

Lord Faulks | 757 cc406-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble and learned Lord, Lord Lloyd of Berwick, and the noble Lord, Lord Pannick, co...

Lord Beecham | 757 c407 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is not resiling, is he, from the position that Clauses 2 and 4 do not change the exi...

Lord Faulks | 757 cc407-9 (Link to this contribution)

At the moment we are debating Clause 2. I gather that we are to have the delight of a debate on C...

Lord Elystan-Morgan | 757 c409 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am preoccupied by what the Minister said earlier: that the effect of the Bill, essent...

Lord Faulks | 757 c409 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that one would find any common law decision the ratio of which was precisely what ...

Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 757 c409 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend Lord Blair and to my noble and learned friend Lord Hop...

Lord Beecham | 757 c410 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Beecham

6: Clause 3, page 1, line 12, leave out “generally”

Lord Beecham | 757 cc410-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 6 deals with the provisions of Clause 3, which purports to be—and as I unders...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 757 cc411-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in drawing attention to Amendment 7, I am returning to the points I referred to earlier...

Lord Pannick | 757 c412 (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, could I ask him whether the first part of Amendment 7 would not ...

Lord Hunt of Wirral | 757 c412 (Link to this contribution)

It is partly covered, but I think this makes it much clearer.

Earl Attlee | 757 c412 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is well known that I generally support this Bill but I have to confess that I do not...

Lord Faulks | 757 cc412-4 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend Lord Attlee would like to make a short Bill shorter. I submit that this particula...

Lord Beecham | 757 c414 (Link to this contribution)

I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Earl Attlee | 757 c414 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Earl Attlee

8: Clause 4, page 1, line 15, at beginning insert “Subject to se...

Earl Attlee | 757 cc414-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall also speak to my Amendments 12 and 14. I have tabled these amendments on the ba...

Lord Pannick | 757 cc415-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 10 is in my name and in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Beecham. It would re...

Earl Attlee | 757 c416 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, would the noble Lord be able to illustrate to the Committee how that difference would w...

Lord Pannick | 757 c416 (Link to this contribution)

At the moment the court assesses whether in all the circumstances the defendant has acted with re...

Lord Aberdare | 757 cc416-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to my Amendment 11 as well as to Amendments 8, 10, 12 and 14 in this group...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 757 c418 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am in the happy position of not having my name to any of the amendments and therefore...

Lord Beecham | 757 c419 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, support the amendment from the noble Lord, Lord Pannick. I sympathise with the amendment ...

Lord Faulks | 757 cc419-421 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had a very useful debate on this group. The noble Lord, Lord Pannick, said that...

Earl Attlee | 757 c421 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have contributed to this debate, and in particular...

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