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Immigration Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Wednesday, 12 March 2014, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage (fourth day, part one). Clauses 16-33 and Schedule 3 agreed to.

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752 cc1781-1819 

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2013-14

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Committee stage

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House of Lords chamber
Legislative scrutiny: Immigration Bill. Human Rights Joint Committee eighth report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 11 December 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons
Immigration Bill 2013-14. Brought from the Commons.
Thursday, 30 January 2014
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee twenty-second report.
Wednesday, 12 February 2014
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Legislative scrutiny: Immigration Bill (second report): Human Rights Joint Committee twelfth report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 26 February 2014
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons

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Immigration Bill. Constitution Committee (HL) sixth report.
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Deposited Paper DEP2014-0396
Wednesday, 12 March 2014
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Best | 752 c1781 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Best

54ZZA: Schedule 3, page 62, line 4, at end insert—

“(3A) The...

Lord Best | 752 cc1781-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we return to residential tenancies and come to a group of 12 amendments, of which the f...


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Baroness Hamwee | 752 c1785 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have three amendments in this group. The noble Lord, Lord Best has raised a lot of im...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 752 cc1785-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I share the view of my noble friend Lady Hamwee about the useful contribution made by t...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 752 cc1787-8 (Link to this contribution)

When the noble Lord, Lord Best, with his experience and expertise on housing, speaks on issues su...

Baroness Neville-Rolfe | 752 cc1788-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will make two brief points. First, I welcome the broadening of the exemption for stud...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1789 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted that we now have another name for the rollout and the trial run; we are accumulati...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 752 c1789 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister clarify whether that is the case only if the tenant accepts payment by the lodge...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1790 (Link to this contribution)

It is not a question of payment, but of whether that is their principal or main home. If it is no...

Baroness Hamwee | 752 c1790 (Link to this contribution)

On the same point, it is common in leases and tenancy agreements to provide a prohibition against...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1790 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry because, as my noble friend Lord Attlee whispered to me, “You’re wrong”. He is so deli...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 752 c1790 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister and thank him for clarifying that—we all make mistakes. Does that n...

Baroness Hamwee | 752 c1790 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I might add to the complications by pointing to the provision that, although the reside...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1790 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, a further elaboration of the point is that the restriction applies only when the person is u...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 752 c1791 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful—that is very helpful. But perhaps the Minister could address the point made by the ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 cc1791-2 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I will do it in the letter. I feel that if I try to do so here today, I might get into even ...

Earl of Caithness | 752 c1792 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can my noble friend confirm that this part of the Bill applies equally to agricultural ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1792 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I can confirm that. An agricultural tenancy or a house occupied in connection with any emplo...

Lord Best | 752 cc1792-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for support for the amendments in differing degrees from all around the H...

Baroness Hamwee | 752 c1794 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

55A: Clause 16, page 16, line 4, after “if” insert “P is—

Baroness Hamwee | 752 cc1794-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 55A is the first in a group of 12 amendments all about who falls within and o...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 752 c1795 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments build on the two previous debates that we have had on this issue and h...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1795 (Link to this contribution)

It is only a draft document. There may well have been other matters under consideration at the ti...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 752 cc1795-8 (Link to this contribution)

So there may be further documents which are acceptable. I appreciate that.

However, clarity...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 cc1798-1800 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for both the debate and the amendments tabled by my noble friend. They contain cons...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 752 c1799 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise because I now understand why the noble Lord is inching towards our pilot. However, I ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1799 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot give the noble Baroness an absolute answer to that question. Of course one of the reason...

Lord Avebury | 752 c1799 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can I ask the Minister a question about asylum seekers and persons appealing against a ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1799 (Link to this contribution)

I think I have made it clear that for people who have asylum seeker status, where it is not safe ...

Bishop of Newcastle | 752 cc1799-1801 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may also ask for some clarification. One of my concerns about this part of th...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1801 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not want to sound complacent because I recognise that this is a cause of anxiety w...

Baroness Hamwee | 752 cc1801-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this discussion has confirmed for me the complexity of the provisions, and therefore th...

Lord Patel | 752 c1803 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Patel

58: Clause 33, page 27, line 24, leave out from “charge” to end o...

Lord Patel | 752 cc1803-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, after Monday’s debate, I do not think this should take very long. Amendment 58 relates ...

Lord Avebury | 752 c1804 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when we discussed this previously, I, too, asked my noble friend the Minister about the...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 752 c1804 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when we discussed Clause 33 previously, the Minister was subjected to a very large numb...

Lord Leigh of Hurley | 752 cc1804-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I attended some of the debate on Monday and heard my noble friend Lord Bourne refer to ...

Lord Rosser | 752 cc1805-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would hope that if the intention of the words that the amendment seeks to delete is a...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 cc1806-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is helpful that we have had this debate; I am pleased that the noble Lord, Lord Pate...

Lord Avebury | 752 cc1807-8 (Link to this contribution)

Where the Bill uses the words,

“likely to be available free of charge”,

in Clause 33(...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1808 (Link to this contribution)

I think that I made it clear that the wording is designed to enable the health service, if it fee...

Baroness Tonge | 752 c1808 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, will the Minister clarify two things? I apologise if I appear to be Baroness Dim on the...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1808 (Link to this contribution)

There are two different categories of charge currently: that for students and that for everyone e...

Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 752 c1808 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister confirm that the real purpose of the clause and those words is to open the gate...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1808 (Link to this contribution)

No, that is not the case, but they may be, as they currently are, charged for particular treatmen...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 752 cc1808-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened with great interest to that exchange. If the noble Lord is prepared to follo...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1809 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble and learned Lord for that advice—free legal advice to the Government is conside...

Baroness Barker | 752 c1809 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may help the noble Lord. Noble Lords understand that there are now NHS treatments and s...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1809 (Link to this contribution)

There is nothing sinister here. This is not a Machiavellian move by the Government. It is to brin...

Lord Patel | 752 cc1809-1810 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken. I have a few points to make. First, the Minist...

Lord Rosser | 752 c1810 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Rosser

61: Clause 33, page 27, line 36, at end insert—

“(4A) The ...

Lord Rosser | 752 cc1810-2 (Link to this contribution)

This amendment also relates to Clause 33. The only comment I make to start with is that if all th...

Baroness Barker | 752 cc1811-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to my Amendment 66F in this group. Following the consultation in 2013, th...

Baroness Meacher | 752 cc1813-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 66 requires information outlining details of health charges for health servic...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 752 c1814 (Link to this contribution)

Following what the noble Baroness, Lady Barker, said about the importance of the evidence base, I...

Lord Leigh of Hurley | 752 c1814 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I should declare an interest as a chartered accountant. As such, I looked at Amendment 66...

Baroness Barker | 752 c1814 (Link to this contribution)

As someone who is not a chartered accountant, I thank the noble Lord for the free advice. If I we...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 cc1814-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the general support offered by the noble Lord, Lord Rosser, for the surcharge...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 752 c1816 (Link to this contribution)

Given that the Minister was able to slip out of answering this point on Monday—it did not seem fa...

Lord Avebury | 752 c1816 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when the noble Lord is replying on that point, will he deal with story of the 300 mater...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1816 (Link to this contribution)

I would not wish to get involved in hearsay or gossip or, indeed, the suggestion that some of thi...

Baroness Meacher | 752 c1817 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I might ask for clarification on one point. The Minister skated rather quickly over that ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1817 (Link to this contribution)

The latter point is more difficult to answer positively; it is something which my noble friend Lo...

Baroness Barker | 752 c1817 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response, which was far more helpful than I had expected. ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 752 c1817 (Link to this contribution)

I start from the position that an informed House is better able to make decisions and judgments o...

Baroness Hamwee | 752 c1817 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure that my noble friend is reassured. However, I think that the Committee would ...

Baroness Williams of Crosby | 752 c1818 (Link to this contribution)

If my long-suffering noble friend will be kind enough to bear with me for one minute, perhaps I m...

Lord Rosser | 752 c1818 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, thank the Minister for his response. I am in much the same position as the noble Baroness...

Lord Rosser | 752 cc1818-9 (Link to this contribution)

I also asked about whether there would be any transitional costs as opposed to transitional arran...

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