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Financial Services (Banking Reform) Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 26 November 2013, in the House of Lords.
Lords report stage first day. Part 1 of 2.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

749 cc1301-1372 

Session

2013-14

Department

Treasury

Legislative stage

Report stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Proceeding contributions

Lord Barnett | 749 c1301 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Barnett

1: Clause 4, page 4, line 37, leave out from “activity” to end ...

Lord Barnett | 749 cc1301-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in Committee I promised the House that I would table amendments to debate the question ...


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Lord Eatwell | 749 cc1305-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for moving his amendment and for pointing out the extr...

Lord Deighton | 749 cc1306-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is a great pleasure for me to resume our debates on the Bill. We do not believe that...

Lord Barnett | 749 c1307 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not think that the Minister has dealt with the central arguments about separation;...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1307 (Link to this contribution)

The central question of full separation is in Amendment 2, which we will address next, and we can...

Lord Flight | 749 c1307 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can I ask the Minister for a little clarity on ring-fencing in terms of what is in this...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1307 (Link to this contribution)

The clarification is that the ring-fence effectively operates on the liabilities side, so we are ...

Lord Barnett | 749 c1307 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will withdraw Amendment 1 and then move Amendment 2, although I spoke to it generally...

Lord Barnett | 749 c1308 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Barnett

2: Clause 4, page 7, line 22, leave out from beginning to end o...

Lord Deighton | 749 cc1308-1311 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this Bill legislates for ring-fencing. That is the Government’s policy, not Glass-Steag...

Baroness Cohen of Pimlico | 749 c1311 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have spoken before against ring-fencing and for full separation. We may not be in any...

Lord Barnett | 749 c1311 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister has told us that the Government consulted widely and got agreement. Well, ...

Lord Flight | 749 c1311 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, can I ask the Minister whether I am right in thinking that the PRA would be the main re...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1311 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my noble friend’s explanation of the roles and responsibilities of the respective re...

Baroness D'Souza | 749 c1312 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord wish to withdraw his amendment?

Lord Barnett | 749 c1312 (Link to this contribution)

If the House is no longer interested in the matter, I beg leave to withdraw.

Lord Eatwell | 749 c1312 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Eatwell

3: Clause 4, page 17, line 15, at end insert—

“Full separ...

Lord Eatwell | 749 cc1312-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, noble Lords will notice that Amendment 3 is identical to Amendment 6, which is in the n...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 749 cc1314-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a very important Bill indeed. We all know the great damage that the banking mel...

Lord Flight | 749 c1316 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have broadly been in support of a Glass-Steagall separation of investment and banking...

Archbishop of Canterbury | 749 cc1316-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as did the noble Lord, Lord Lawson, I begin by expressing my gratitude to the Governmen...

Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 749 cc1318-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have not so far taken part in the debate on this Bill, although I participated during...

Lord Lea of Crondall | 749 c1319 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are a lot of very interesting propositions in this group. Am I right in thinking ...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 749 cc1319-1320 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, surely there is no more important issue in relation to this banking situation than whet...

Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 749 c1320 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lord Lawson’s amendment as well. Like him and the noble Baron...

Lord Deighton | 749 cc1320-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I turn to the substance of these amendments, I would like briefly to pause and r...

Lord Eatwell | 749 c1324 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister for that expert summary of a complex set of amendmen...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1324 (Link to this contribution)

I think the right thing for us to do is to discuss it together with our colleagues from the PCBS....

Lord Eatwell | 749 c1324 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister mean that he is content to return to this issue at Third Reading?

Lord Eatwell | 749 cc1324-5 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you very much.

This is a complicated set of interrelated amendments. I congratulate t...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 749 cc1325-9 (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

Lord Lawson of Blaby

4: Clause 4, page 17, line 15, at end insert—

“1...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 749 c1329 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the light of the clear and explicit assurance given by the Minister that the indepen...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1329 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Deighton

7: Clause 4, page 17, line 38, after “scheme” insert “all or”<...

Lord Deighton | 749 cc1329-1330 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments make a number of minor and technical amendments to the Bill. Amendment...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1330 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Deighton

8: Clause 4, page 17, line 40, after “with” insert “all or”

Lord Deighton | 749 c1330 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Deighton

10: Clause 5, leave out Clause 5

Lord Deighton | 749 cc1331-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment removes Clause 5 from the Bill. It will leave the regulators, the PRA an...

Lord Deighton | 749 cc1332-3 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Deighton

11: After Clause 8, insert the following new Clause—

“In...

Lord Eatwell | 749 c1333 (Link to this contribution)

Tabled by

Lord Eatwell

12: After Clause 8, line 13, leave out “4” and insert “2”

Lord Eatwell | 749 c1333 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, given the assurance given by the Minister that we will return to this matter at Third R...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1333 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Deighton

16: After Clause 8, insert the following new Clause—

“Ri...

Lord Deighton | 749 cc1333-4 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Deighton

17: Schedule 2, page 102, line 31, at end insert—

“(1A) ...

Lord Eatwell | 749 c1334 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Eatwell

21: Before Clause 14, insert the following new Clause—

“P...

Lord Eatwell | 749 cc1334-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 21, and Amendments 50 and 51 from the commissioners, refer to the professiona...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 749 c1335 (Link to this contribution)

I hate to interrupt the noble Lord but I cannot resist saying that, unfortunately, the training o...

Lord Eatwell | 749 c1335 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the noble Lord, as a distinguished solicitor, would attest to that, as indeed he h...

Lord Spicer | 749 c1335 (Link to this contribution)

What is a minimum threshold of integrity?

Lord Eatwell | 749 cc1335-6 (Link to this contribution)

Being a “fit and proper person” would perhaps be appropriate. If the noble Lord is not aware of t...

Archbishop of Canterbury | 749 cc1336-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 50 is in my name and those of the noble Lords, Lord Turnbull, Lord Lawson of ...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 749 cc1338-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I remind the House that for a number of years I was a director of a quite large British...

Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 749 cc1339-1340 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 21 and 51 as strongly as I can. We all know that the vast majority...

Lord Flight | 749 c1340 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I come down to a very practical issue. In the territory that we are discussing, pre-app...

Baroness Warnock | 749 c1340 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment, which we have heard is really at the heart of the disasters o...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 749 c1340 (Link to this contribution)

I shall add just a bit, particularly to what the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, was saying. When I en...

Lord McFall of Alcluith | 749 cc1341-2 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that we should run away with the idea of codes of conduct because, if you look bac...

Lord Spicer | 749 c1342 (Link to this contribution)

I have enormous respect for the noble Lord, Lord McFall, but I think the idea of legislating to b...

Lord Newby | 749 cc1342-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a very large group of amendments dealing with another key aspect of the Governm...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 749 c1344 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend sits down, can he give an undertaking that he will produce the further ame...

Lord Newby | 749 c1344 (Link to this contribution)

I have a great deal of sympathy with what the noble Lord says, and I can give an assurance that w...

749 c1344 (Link to this contribution)

That’s not saying much.

Lord Newby | 749 c1344 (Link to this contribution)

It is not saying a huge amount, but it is saying something, and I hope that because we are talkin...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 749 c1344 (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord agree that if we are to make a real difference this time—and he will sense a ...

Lord Newby | 749 c1345 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is the key focus of the senior managers regime—that, for the first time, senior ma...

Lord Eatwell | 749 cc1345-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was intrigued by the proposals which the Minister suggests will be brought forward at...

Lord Newby | 749 c1346 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Newby

22: Clause 14, page 27, line 20, leave out “bank” and insert “rel...

Lord Newby | 749 cc1346-1350 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this group of amendments, and similar amendments in the previous group, respond to conc...

Lord Newby | 749 c1350 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Newby

23*: Clause 14, page 27, line 22, leave out “bank” and insert “re...

Lord Brennan | 749 c1350 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Brennan

26: Clause 15, page 28, leave out lines 4 to 7 and insert—

<...
Lord Brennan | 749 cc1350-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest, as I have done before, as chairman of Global Financial Integrity...

Lord Eatwell | 749 cc1352-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the past, anti-money-laundering legislation tended to be associated with crime, typi...

Archbishop of Canterbury | 749 c1353 (Link to this contribution)

I want briefly to add my support to the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Brennan. Money launderi...

Lord Flight | 749 c1353 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, all Members of this House are what is known as PEPs for the purposes of anti-money-laun...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 749 c1354 (Link to this contribution)

As I understand it, the money-laundering regulations specifically exclude British citizens, inclu...

Lord Flight | 749 c1354 (Link to this contribution)

I think the noble Lord may be right, but in practice, we are thus treated as a more dangerous cat...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 749 cc1354-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to associate my name with all five amendments in this group, but I also wa...

Lord Newby | 749 cc1356-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are dealing here with an issue that everybody realises is an extremely important one...

Lord Watson of Invergowrie | 749 c1358 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the noble Lord could clarify something. He made it absolutely clear that the FCA note rep...

Lord Newby | 749 c1358 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will cover that issue in my letter. I am sorry that the noble Lord thinks that the FC...

Lord Brennan | 749 cc1358-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I had a meeting with officials from the Treasury, the content of which was, in s...

Lord Mackay of Drumadoon | 749 c1359 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Mackay of Drumadoon

27: Clause 15, page 28, line 11, at end insert “but...

Lord Mackay of Drumadoon | 749 cc1359-1361 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the amendment seeks to amend Clause 15, and I will speak to Amendment 49, which seeks t...

Lord Flight | 749 cc1361-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments have the support of the Law Society of England and Wales as well as th...

Lord Newby | 749 cc1362-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand the concern of the noble and learned Lord and that of the Law Society abou...

Lord Mackay of Drumadoon | 749 c1363 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for giving a very clear and detailed explanation of the G...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1363 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Deighton

29: Clause 16, page 28, line 18, leave out “bank” and insert “...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1364 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Deighton

31: Clause 16, page 28, line 29, leave out “bank” and insert “...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1364 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Deighton

32: Clause 17, page 28, line 42, leave out “bank” and insert “...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1364 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Deighton

39: Clause 19, page 30, line 29, leave out “bank” and insert “...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1364 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Deighton

44: Clause 22, page 35, line 10, leave out “banks” and insert ...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1365 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Deighton

46: Clause 22, page 35, line 20, leave out “PRA-authorised ban...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1365 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Deighton

48: Clause 22, page 35, line 22, leave out from beginning to “...

Archbishop of Canterbury | 749 c1365 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Archbishop of Canterbury

50: Clause 22, page 35, line 43, at end insert—...

Archbishop of Canterbury | 749 c1365 (Link to this contribution)

I have already spoken to the amendment standing in my name. The members of the commission are del...

Lord Deighton | 749 cc1365-6 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Deighton

52: Clause 23, page 36, line 19, leave out “bank” and insert “...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1366 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Deighton

61: Clause 23, page 37, line 27, leave out “PRA-authorised ban...

Lord McFall of Alcluith | 749 cc1366-7 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McFall of Alcluith

70: After Clause 23, insert the following new Clause...

Lord McFall of Alcluith | 749 cc1367-9 (Link to this contribution)

This amendment is in response to government amendments to the Bill which amend the Financial Serv...

Lord Newby | 749 c1369 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by saying that we strongly agree with the last point made by the noble Lord; pe...

Lord McFall of Alcluith | 749 c1369 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, given the form of the regulators in the past, the Minister’s words that

Lord Deighton | 749 c1370 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Newby

71: Clause 24, page 38, line 42, leave out “Bank” and insert “Rel...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1370 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Newby

72: Clause 24, page 38, line 43, leave out “bank” and insert “rel...

Lord Deighton | 749 cc1370-1 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Newby

76: Clause 25, page 39, line 14, leave out “relevant authorised p...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1371 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Newby

82: Schedule 3, page 131, line 18, leave out from “etc.),” to end...

Lord Deighton | 749 c1371 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Newby

83*: Clause 27, page 39, line 42, leave out “bank (“B”)” and inse...

Lord Deighton | 749 cc1371-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we now move to a group of government amendments which pertain to the scope of the offen...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 749 c1372 (Link to this contribution)

I make one point of clarification on what my noble friend said. I apologise for my cold. It is ab...

Lord Newby | 749 c1372 (Link to this contribution)

I can give the noble Lord that assurance.

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