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Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Monday, 25 November 2013, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage fourth day. Clauses 55, 56, and 57 agreed to as amended. Part 2 of 3.

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2013-14

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Home Office

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Proceeding contributions

Lord Deben | 749 cc1208-9 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Deben

22R: Before Clause 55, insert the following new Clause—

“Ex...

Lord Deben | 749 cc1209-1210 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move the amendment standing in my name and those of the noble Countess, Lady Mar, and th...


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Countess of Mar | 749 cc1210-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Deben, in his amendment. I have no objection to people w...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 749 cc1211-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I intervene briefly to strongly support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Deb...

Lord Martin of Springburn | 749 c1212 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the loud-hailing which took place in Parliament Square was a disgrace. Most of us who h...

Lord Marlesford | 749 c1213 (Link to this contribution)

There was a campaign for a long time—much too long—to remove the most unsatisfactory arrangement ...

Baroness Hamwee | 749 c1213 (Link to this contribution)

I support the notion, if not necessarily the detail of finding a way of using what is at the hear...

Lord Deben | 749 c1213 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, it parallels exactly what is already enacted for Parliament Square. The reason for that is: ...

Baroness Hamwee | 749 c1213 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I accept that, of course, and the possibility of seeking permission. But we have not ex...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 749 cc1213-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I realise that when the House is in a mood of almost unanimity the noble Baroness, Lady...

Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 749 cc1214-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I also have been campaigning on this issue for a long time, not least because the gentl...

Baroness Trumpington | 749 c1215 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened to the debate on my old boss’s amendment with great interest and pleasure. T...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 cc1215-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been a very good small debate on what I consider to be a very important subjec...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 749 c1216 (Link to this contribution)

There is a precedent for building on sensitive land within the area of Westminster; that is, the ...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 cc1216-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for elaborating on what he is thinking. I thank him, genuinely, for trying...

Lord Marlesford | 749 c1217 (Link to this contribution)

Before my noble friend leaves this point, I remind him—the trouble is, he was not particularly in...

Countess of Mar | 749 c1217 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I explained that I had been in touch with Westminster City Council and the police. I kn...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c1217 (Link to this contribution)

I do absolutely. I need to satisfy myself, before we move on, that the existing provisions are no...

Baroness Trumpington | 749 c1217 (Link to this contribution)

Has the Minister left out Marble Arch, the obvious place being Speakers’ Corner, to go on existin...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c1218 (Link to this contribution)

There are certain places where there has been a tradition of people being able to assemble to spe...

Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 749 c1218 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may ask one further short question. In the many cases up and down country where raucous...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c1218 (Link to this contribution)

I have to hold out that possibility but, on the other hand, it might not. If the latter is the ca...

Lord Deben | 749 cc1218-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for the consideration with which he approached my amendment. Th...

Lord Greaves | 749 c1219 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greaves

23: Clause 55, page 32, line 8, leave out “two” and insert “thr...

Lord Greaves | 749 cc1219-1221 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, your Lordships may be satisfied that we are moving back to stuff that is in the Bill as...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 cc1221-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is a large group of amendments which essentially comes down to the purpose of thes...

Lord Greaves | 749 cc1222-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that takes us into some very useful discussion and I am grateful to my noble friend for...

Lord Greaves | 749 c1223 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greaves

34A: Clause 55, page 32, line 36, at end insert—

“( ) A p...

Lord Greaves | 749 cc1223-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps we should have discussed this amendment along with the last amendment but one a...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 c1224 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have some sympathy with the points made by the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, although the...

Baroness Hamwee | 749 c1224 (Link to this contribution)

I will not waste the Committee’s time by repeating the arguments, but this is an instance where g...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 cc1224-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am really grateful for this debate. It has been very helpful to the Committee to be able to tal...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 c1225 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord refers to “any court”. It is of course the local authority that will be making the...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 cc1225-6 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Baroness has only referred to one part of the second condition; there are three tests w...

Lord Greaves | 749 c1226 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that discussion. I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Smith of Basildon, for her su...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 749 c1226 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon

34B: Clause 55, page 32, line 38, leave out “consult...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 749 c1226 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can be brief with this group of government amendments which implement the recommendat...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 cc1226-8 (Link to this contribution)

I was a bit slow on to my feet; I suspected that there may be other noble Lords wishing to speak ...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 749 c1228 (Link to this contribution)

I note what the noble Baroness has said and appreciate the support, albeit qualified, for the gov...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c1228 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

34C: Clause 55, page 32, line 38, at end insert—

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Lord Greaves | 749 c1228 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greaves

35: Clause 55, page 32, line 38, at end insert—

“( ) the ...

Lord Greaves | 749 cc1228-1230 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 35, I will speak to the other 14 amendments in this group as well. ...

Lord Redesdale | 749 cc1230-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend, especially on Amendments 38 and 56ZC. I raise the vexed issu...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 749 c1231 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to interrupt this string of Liberal Democrat speakers to correct the noble Lord,...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 cc1231-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank my noble friend for his amendments in this group. I am happy to say that I beli...

Lord Greaves | 749 c1233 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am a little overwhelmed by this stream of ministerial reasonableness, having spent mo...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 749 c1233 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon

35A: Clause 55, page 32, line 39, at beginning inser...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 749 c1234 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon

36A: Clause 55, page 32, line 41, at beginning inser...

Lord Greaves | 749 c1234 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Greaves

41: Clause 55, page 33, line 6, at end insert—

“( ) A pub...

Lord Greaves | 749 cc1234-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the last group of amendments that I shall move or speak to. After that there wi...

Baroness Hamwee | 749 c1235 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have Amendment 53FA in this group. It is an amendment to Clause 60, dealing with rest...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 cc1235-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friends Lord Greaves and Lady Hamwee for explaining their ame...

Lord Greaves | 749 cc1239-1240 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for some of that, I think. I am less overwhelmed than I was on the previo...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c1240 (Link to this contribution)

It would pay my noble friend to read Clause 55 to see that it is targeted at behaviour, not space...

Lord Greaves | 749 c1240 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is true, but I shall finish where I started on public spaces protection orders. Th...

Baroness Hamwee | 749 c1240 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

41B: Clause 56, page 33, line 9, leave out “3 years” and ins...

Baroness Hamwee | 749 c1241 (Link to this contribution)

In moving Amendment 41B, I will speak to Amendments 44A, 44B, 49A and 55A. The amendments take us...

Lord Greaves | 749 c1241 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have one amendment in this group, which covers very much the same ground as covered b...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 749 cc1241-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand the nature of the amendments tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, an...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 749 c1242 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I share the puzzlement of the noble Lord, Lord Harris, about the provision in Clause 56...

Lord Faulks | 749 c1242 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I respectfully agree with what the noble and learned Lord has just said. The only way i...

Lord Greaves | 749 c1243 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, there are two problems here. The noble Lord, Lord Harris, is partly right and partly wr...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 749 cc1243-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I can see the distinction the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, draws between disruption of an ...

Lord Greaves | 749 c1244 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think it is as difficult as that. I think it is quite easy. There are plenty of parks no...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 cc1244-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been an interesting debate. I have tabled a clause stand part debate because I...

Lord Hope of Craighead | 749 c1246 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will just add a supplement to my addendum to the point made by the noble Lord, Lord H...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 c1246 (Link to this contribution)

As a point of clarification, I am fully aware that it is not three years in every case—it is up t...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 749 cc1246-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I thank all noble Lords who have participated in this debate. In doing so I make...

Lord Greaves | 749 c1248 (Link to this contribution)

Does my noble friend accept that there could be a difference between the kinds of restrictions he...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 749 cc1248-9 (Link to this contribution)

I take on board what my noble friend is saying. That is why I believe that, as the clauses are dr...

Baroness Smith of Basildon | 749 c1249 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord invites me to say whether I think it is a good idea. The way to find that out is t...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 749 c1249 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope I have illustrated that there is a need to decrease bureaucracy when you take th...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 749 cc1249-1250 (Link to this contribution)

What the Government are seeking to do is exactly what we have said on the tin: to allow local aut...

Lord Harris of Haringey | 749 c1250 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for giving way, but if the desire is to give all this fre...

Lord Ahmad of Wimbledon | 749 c1250 (Link to this contribution)

I never object to any noble Lord interjecting and asking questions. I have sought to explain why ...

Baroness Hamwee | 749 c1250 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, having started as one who believes—I hope that I still do—very considerably in local de...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c1251 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

44C: Clause 56, page 33, line 24, leave out “consult...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c1251 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

45A: Clause 56, page 33, line 25, at beginning inser...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c1251 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

46A: Clause 56, page 33, line 27, at beginning inser...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c1251 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

49B: Clause 57, page 34, line 2, leave out “consult”...

Lord Taylor of Holbeach | 749 c1251 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Taylor of Holbeach

51A: Clause 57, page 34, line 5, at beginning insert...

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